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16. March 2007 @ 00:33 |
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@herrick
Here is another option...passive...
It gives you the option to add a 70mm fan...for max cooling...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5515/c...l?tl=g40c16s227
@greensman
Excellent choices...
@sarthak14
What are you looking for in a case?..Black...Aluminum...Painted...Door...No Door...
What are the temperature ranges for where you live?..Looks like they might be higher then in the USA...
Are you for...or...against Water cooling?..
Have you ever assembled a computer before?..
You are going to be generating a lot of heat with all these components...Your choice of cases will be very important...
What is your new budget?..you mentioned unlimited...
You might want to limit me...trust me on that one...
I know where some real expensive components can be found...
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16. March 2007 @ 00:51 |
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Win. 7/Case- Thermaltake Armor11 bays "full case"-with side fan panel... removed stock fans replaced with SCYTHE 92mm 2ea. and SCYTHE/s-flex sff21f 120mm 2ea./ sunbeam 4 fan controller/Processor-Intel Core2Duo E6850 3.0 w/ Zalman CNPS7700-CU cooler/motherboard-Asus P5N32-E SLI p680I/PSU-Cooler Master RS 850 watt real power pro sli/Sound Card-Creative Sound Blaster X-FI FATAL1ty/Cables-Thermaltake Rounded IDE ATA & ATA2/Memory- 4 Gig Corsair XMS 800 MH/HDD-1ea. WD 300GB 10K VelociRaptor Sata-1ea.WD 320GB 7200rpm Sata/Drives- 2ea. Benq 1655 [Rev.BCDB]2ea.LG GH24NS70[rev.GN00]/52in1 card reader&Writer&USB/ Video cards- 1ea. EVGA Gforce Nvida GTX 550Ti /Monitors- 2ea. ACER AL2017 LCD 20 in. ea/Printer-
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16. March 2007 @ 01:12 |
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Arctic Silver 5 (best on the market!!)
what is this Greensman
And where do i put it
never used it any of my systems
and when is this to be applied ?
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16. March 2007 @ 01:23 |
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@herrick
Looks like it will not fit...stock cooler should be sufficient with proper air flow over heat pipe fins...have you applied arctic silver to chip...Looks like you are taking steps to improve air flow...
@sarthak14
"Arctic Silver 5" is thermal paste that you apply between chips and coolers...
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16. March 2007 @ 03:36 |
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@herrick
though chipset cooling is beneficial you should work on making sure your airflow throughout your case is not the culprit first. From several sites and an intel warranty booklet, it says that the ambient temperature within your case should be in the mid to upper 30C's in order to cool the CPU properly (mid to upper 40C's). If you don't want to remove the stock heatsink on the chipsets, you can always try adding a small fan to the existing heatsink first. Artic Silver 5 is good stuff and will do you wonders, but in one of the other forums, I believe it was in the OC'ing one, many have had problems of it drying out in the long run, versus using the white thermal goop. A thin layer of the white stuff is actually very good...but you just need to make sure it is a thin layer. Also, having the smoothest surface possible on the heatsink is also critical so that there are no hot "air" spots for heat to build up. to do this many start with a coarse sand paper (about two steps down from the ultra fine stuff) working up /down to the ultra fine one...some went as far as buffing and polishing to get a mirror finish. These are just some tricks that I remember when I use to OC the good ole AMD K6 CPU's.
Cheers!
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16. March 2007 @ 04:27 |
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@6spdSER,
It's funny that you mention "sanding and polishing" the cpu heatsink. LOL. I didn't polish my heatsink when I put my puter back together but I did sand it with some very fine sandpaper. hehehe. 400 grit if I remember right was the last grit that I used and the surface of the heatsink was like a baby's bottom as they say. LOL.
~I thought that the surface was to rough with the original milling process so I decided a little modification was in order. Mwuaaahahahaha.
Anyway I'm glad to see I wasn't doin anything out of the ordinary. :-)
.....gm
@ALL,
I KNOW that the puter for sarthak14 isn't at it's completion! Mainly because Lp531 is still asking questions. I'm truly interested/excited about this. And btw you better limit him because he'll spend some money in a hurry. I thought that $2300 was high just for a box. hehehe. j/k Lp531. ;-)
edit: lol......just to clear things up I meant $2300 for tower and all contents. ;-)
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16. March 2007 @ 05:25 |
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LP531
Case can Be any colour will prefer black or aluminium and nt concerned with the door thingy.
i think they reange between 30 - 40 but the rooms cooled so AVG 25.
what r urs in california??
Def against water cooling, jus dnt understnd it, bt thats jus my view luks kool though
da las comp i put 2gether was roughly 3 - 4 years bak, so i knw da basics plus my bro will help. bt puttin stuff like Arctic Silver 5{too confusing} and internal media cards and stuff{kinda tricky}.
When i said unlimited i meant get me da best parts as in nt like a 2300$ case dnt c da point in it. okay ill give u a point by pont list of what i am lukin for.
1}A Case with atleast 6 X 3.5" Slots internal
2 x 3.5" external
3 x 5.25 " External
atleast 7 x PCI Slots the ones in da bak
2}things i want to put in it
MOtherboard - Core 2 Duo{think thats da lates} that supports 4 GIGs of ram atleast meaning 4 ram slots.
Processor - Dnno U temme
Graphics Card - Nvidia 8800 GTX or GTS and Then maybe Running them in SLI in the Future.{if put SLI in the future hw much more power will i need, Like change the PSU}
Ram - 2 x 1 GB of ram then upgrade later to a 4 x 1 or 2 x 2.When i expand later will i need more power}
An Ethernet Card
A sound Card Supportin 5.1 dnt wantt anythin more.[pref Creative}
A USB Extender saw one on newegg gives u 4 more ports and one internal{dnno wat that is for please xplain}
A Dvd Writer
A Cd-RW + DVD Combo for DVD to DVD Copying
A Internal MEDIA Card Reader saw one at newegg
WIFI inbuilt {bt dnno wat card u need{xplain this again PLs}
PSU - Dnno hw much power il rewuire
HDD - 1 x 160 Raptor or Raptor X dnno da diff fr da OS. 4 X 500 0r 750 GB.Then add another one LAter and again when i add afterwards hw much power will i need }
i think thats bout it, if i frgt anythin u can add dat.
And Again by unlimited i meant good quality and normal prices.
Ill be using it for atleast 4 - 5 years.{be upgrading the ram and stuff in da middle}. MAinly for FPS's And RPG's.
I luked at this case the other day in the market. lukes gud bt dnt knw its specification. THE AlTEC SUper LAnboy.
OH btw i will need a Full tower Rite.
http://www.stablenle.com/NLEPROD-35503.html
And Ya sorry if i wrote anything dumb or stupid. Kinda hard to concentrate hav 2 MAJOR exams in the next 10 days. After that i will luk fr stuff myself also on newegg and other sites and then ask u if its gud.
Thanks again Fr HElPING and BUILDING my Computer. If iav forgotten anything in tghe above list jus temme and ill tell u.
THANKS Again LP531
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16. March 2007 @ 09:23 |
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herrick,
You shouldn't have to buy the hsf combination or any other heatsinks for that matter. I don't recommend replacing your existing heatsinks since they are all tied togather with the thermal tubes. Just measure your existing heatsinks and find a fan that is the same size. Make sure you get a 3 wire fan if you want to monitor fan speed. Your mobo does have some 3 pin fan/aux headers on it doesn't it. That link I provided does have other size chipset fans besides 40x40x20mm.
Reseating your heatsinks with some artic silver 5 alone will do wonders I'll bet. The crap thermal compound they use is just that, CRAP. Of the mobo's I've done these mods to only a portion of the heatsink was actually contacting the thermal compound or the chipset. Every mobo I install from now on will get the chipset heatsinks reseated with some artic silver 5 prior to installation. FYI, kivory666 and BigDK do this mod too.
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16. March 2007 @ 11:48 |
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@herrick
Every thing Mort81 & 6spdSER & Greensman has told you is good advice...mount a fan on the fins of the stock heatpipe...or mount a internal 80mm case fan to blow on fins...or big fan on door...that blows on motherboard...Also lap the bottom of the heatpipe if it is not mirror smooth...
Arctic Silver needs to be replaced every so often...I try to reapply every 6 months...but no longer then 1 year...I usually do it at every case cleaning...
Do you have proper air pressure in case...more exhaust then intake...computers can run hotter if you have more intake then exhaust...You are creating positive air pressure inside case...
AIR PRESSURE 101
"Positive Air Pressure" is when you have more total CFMs (adding air pressure) pushing air into the case...
"Negative Air Pressure" is when you have more total CFMs (decreasing air pressure) pushing air out of the case...
"Neutral Air Pressure" is when you have the same amount of a air (both fans are adding and removing air pressure) going in and out of the case...
I like to achieve a little negative air pressure...I feel this helps to eliminate "hot spots"...where air circulation is not very good...
I feel positive & neutral air pressure increases the potential...for creating hot spots...within the case
You can calculate by...adding the total CFM rating of the fans...going in...and out of your case
If your exhaust number is higher then your intake...You have Negative Air pressure...
If your intake number is higher then your exhaust...You have Positive Air pressure...
@sarthak14
The reason I asked about a door is...it looks like you will be accessing your drives alot...
I found that I ended up with my door always proped open when I had a door on my multimedia machine...
I now always make sure that my burning PC does not have a door...Much more convenient...
7 pci slots?..Why?..
You will not find a SLI board with 7 additional PCI slots...usually the SLI boards will have 1 to 3 additional slots...I usually prefer to have at least 2 slots...1 for Sound Card...1 extra...for future proofing...
You do not need An Ethernet Card...Any Board I will choose will have it on board
WiFi...is a wireless connection...I am assuming that your computer will hookup to internet through the Ethernet Connection...Not through WiFi...
So I can assume $2,300 with "A little bit of Wiggle Room" is Ok?..
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16. March 2007 @ 12:32 |
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@ sarthak- for built in wifi, you're looking for a pci wireless adapter like this one: link
you could get one cheaper, but this one can go up to 108mbps and is made by a reputable company.
and why don't you get 4x500gb because you might be able to save some $$$ that way and you stil get 2tb of storage (unless you plan on storing something like ps3 iso's for the future, i think that should be enough)
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16. March 2007 @ 15:27 |
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@ all
Thanks again everyone, I will be looking into all what has been suggested and then if things are not the way I want them I will add those fans...how do I attached the fan to the fins? Do they come with brackets or something?
Will be doing all this Sat. again thanks...
Win. 7/Case- Thermaltake Armor11 bays "full case"-with side fan panel... removed stock fans replaced with SCYTHE 92mm 2ea. and SCYTHE/s-flex sff21f 120mm 2ea./ sunbeam 4 fan controller/Processor-Intel Core2Duo E6850 3.0 w/ Zalman CNPS7700-CU cooler/motherboard-Asus P5N32-E SLI p680I/PSU-Cooler Master RS 850 watt real power pro sli/Sound Card-Creative Sound Blaster X-FI FATAL1ty/Cables-Thermaltake Rounded IDE ATA & ATA2/Memory- 4 Gig Corsair XMS 800 MH/HDD-1ea. WD 300GB 10K VelociRaptor Sata-1ea.WD 320GB 7200rpm Sata/Drives- 2ea. Benq 1655 [Rev.BCDB]2ea.LG GH24NS70[rev.GN00]/52in1 card reader&Writer&USB/ Video cards- 1ea. EVGA Gforce Nvida GTX 550Ti /Monitors- 2ea. ACER AL2017 LCD 20 in. ea/Printer-
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16. March 2007 @ 18:02 |
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16. March 2007 @ 18:19 |
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LP531
Ahh..Jus woke up.
About the Door....Dsnt Bother Me So MUch.Bt yaah if it dsnt hav one i wnt mind and im guessing itll be much betta.
For the MOtherboard i meant 7 Slots or 6 Slots in total including the one for Graphics Card.
I would PRefer that u give me a choice between a SLI Board and A NON SLI Board.And if i do end up takin a NON SLI Board, Will i havta chang any of my oTher Components???This i want 2 KnW
Ohky fINE FOR THE Ethernet Thing.
I will NEed A Wifi Card JUst in Case. MY House has WIFI so if i Put it in my room then im guessing il havta use WIFI instead of Ethernet.
Ya No POrblemo.
And I really Wanna Knw bout the MOTHERBOARD tHING.aS i SAID ABOVE.
Thanks again Man, U are a Great HELP and so are the oTher members.
And ill JUSt Look in to the cases.
SUKHVAIL
Ya thats exactly wat i was lukin for, but this one seems to hav shoddy reviews.NEwa Thanks will LUk into it
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16. March 2007 @ 18:33 |
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Outta the 1st and 2nd case prefer the Second one bt i think it has drive space a but too much and will it be able to put a NVIDIA 8800 GTX in it.
the 3rd one luks really nice bt i cant figure out how will i put the internal HDD's Dnt See easyslot loading and again can it fit NVIDIA 8800 GTX.
4th one Uber AWsome. Jus one gripe and on clarification. the Gripe being wish it had one more internal 3.5" slot. and ya want to clarify ur sayin is it easy to install which is good bt do u need any specific parts For a Water COoled PC or Do You need NOrmal Parts.
Thanks MAN.
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16. March 2007 @ 18:55 |
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@sarthak- don't take newegg's reviews to heart as most of the time it is the owners mistake for their discontent. i have a trendnet pci card in one of my comps and although it didn't review that well, i have had a very consistent connection to the internet, even though it is on another floor and at he opposite end of the house.
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16. March 2007 @ 19:01 |
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herrick,
Get some screws from a hardware store to mount the fans to the heatsinks. I had to try severad different sizes and lengths untill I found some that worked. Screw them into the slots between the fins. I had to use different sizes for each heatsink. One took #6 sheetmetal screws and the other took #4 machine screws. Just find some that fit snug between the fins and will grip ok (won't work out).
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16. March 2007 @ 19:05 |
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@Lp531,
I like all those cases. LOL. I obviously didn't think about my choices enough and haven't had any experience building upper end machines. ;-0 Well at least I added something to start with even if it was a little lacking. hehehe.
btw have you seen the new Jell-O commercial. It mentions something about "WIGGLE ROOM". LMAO. Not a great commercial but I thought about you and your credo. hehehe.
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16. March 2007 @ 19:11 |
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I know 1-3 will hold 2 8800GTX in SLI...4 not sure of yet...but I believe so...I can-not find dimensions on P/S ...need to make sure case can hold these new giant P/S...
By the Spec's...I like the P/S Greenman picked out...I have had problems with thermatake P/S...years ago...they have seemed to improve...so I would not rule it out by any means...Good Spec's...Just can't find dimensions...
As for water cooling...no special components needed...
Like everything Greenman picked...I just would not suggest the Raptor...performance not worth the extra noise...can run two 7200rpm drives...cheaper...with more capacity... in raid for equal performance...with-out the extra noise...
@Greensman
Liked the case you picked...have never seen it before...just saw some reviews that mentioned that the 4 fans on door...can-not be installed if you have 8800 cards...and over sized P/S...
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16. March 2007 @ 19:52 |
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Before I go out and purchase an external drive for use to backup my internal drive, I cant think of anybody better to answer my question than from people on this forum, looking into circuit city and reading thier customer reports you always get pro's and con's no matter which model you look at.
Because I'm no expert I want to use my an external drive as a mirror backup to everything I have, and ease of use and hookup is equally important to me, I don't want to get into any crazy configurations but a one touch backup if one exsists. thanks.
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16. March 2007 @ 20:34 |
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Alrie Thanks LP531 and Greensman
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Now Sir Can i have a Full List of what components i should go out and buy or are you still working on it and if u are no problemo give it to me when ure dne...nt in a hurry.
Thanks gain'
I would Also Like My Motherboard Questin to be anwsered as in when u choose my motherboard can u choose a SLI and A NON SLI Board and will i havta change any of the otha components if i pik either of the board.Thanks
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17. March 2007 @ 03:40 |
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@Lp531,
Yeh I liked the NZXT case but didn't know about the 8800 cards and psu fit problems. :) The cases you picked are unbelievable!! I need to save some more money for my next build and go all out. hehehe. NOT!!! Just going to a dual core would be a big step for me. I'm still in the single core era but she's a good'un. *GRINS*
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17. March 2007 @ 07:56 |
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17. March 2007 @ 08:28 |
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BigDK nice of you to grace us with your presence. *grins*
I've heard good things about you from docTY, well at least that you have a really, really, really, really fast rig. hehehe.
I'm not even a ranked amateur when it comes to building but I try and these guys are great. Please feel free to help us anytime you can. ;-)
btw nice cases and if I can talk my wife into one on the next build I'm in fo sho. lol.
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17. March 2007 @ 10:58 |
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Nice to talk :)
I'm always floating around here somewhere normally.
I'm on the Coolermaster mailing list so I thought I'd share what look like very nice cases.
Trouble is the 830 versions are $899 plus $100 shipping and thats within the US not to the UK, so I can only look and admire.
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Quote:
I've heard good things about you from docTY, well at least that you have a really, really, really, really fast rig. hehehe.
yeah, it's pretty fast, but can be faster once phase change is involved :) i'm looking into phase change myself actually, next on my shopping list.
oh btw, hello everyone, figured i would see what kind of response i would get being a "newbie" again :P all in good fun...
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