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24. June 2008 @ 05:55 |
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As far as I'm concerned if you've overclocking a 200FSB CPU to 3.6Ghz or less (and with a 200FSB CPU you probably are) then PC6400 is what you should buy, as there is absolutely no reason to have anything higher speed. For anything else though, you may as well go with PC8500, as long as its decent stuff like Corsair Dominator. True, SOME OCZ or Crucial sticks might be good, but it's a minefield out there - Corsair is like a comparative safety zone!
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24. June 2008 @ 05:56 |
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argh so much het on me i should have bought my flame proof jacket lol.
sam i find cricket a abore, footy on the other hand...
well firstly big coolers dont rip the mobo off unless you mount them without the backplate. millions of people have them.
now, using 533 FBS with a quad just aint going to happen uless you drop the multi to 6 and put insane Vcore & NB Volts. with a Q6600 400x9 will be the highest on air w.o presition OC (aka nuck) or switching to water.
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24. June 2008 @ 05:58 |
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Indeed, my Ultra 120A is firmly planted and doesn't worry me about my mobo in the slightest.
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24. June 2008 @ 06:05 |
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on PC 6400 that is rated to do 400 at C4, 4-4-4-12, when doing 5-5-5-15 and uping the V by 0.05 will allow it two run at 500 minimum. done on a geil black dragon, OCZ platinum, and two corsair xms. still working two months later w.o a hitch
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24. June 2008 @ 08:53 |
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abuzar1,
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I don't know what kinds of place your doctor friend lives in but I live in Florida and the AC is on almost all the time.
Let me put it this way. Most of last week it was 105-106F, and summer hadn't even begun yet! End of july, early August it will be in the mid teens!
He and I also did a bit of work on the case airflow. First we turned the side fan around and made it an exhaust, replaced the front fan with a 42 cfm Cooler Master @1200 rpm. Very quiet and it moves a lot of air. We replaced the rear fan with my favorite FM-121, 67 cfm @1300 rpm, removed the top 80mm fan, and it cools very well, thank you!
When he first got it all together, using the stock Intel cooler and then OC'd, he had an XFX-8800GTXXX in it and it ran a little warm, although no real problem. Idled in the mid 30s! At the time we were both thinking that the problem was caused by the stock cooler, but like I said, it wasn't that bad as it never went over 60C running Orthos!
Once we did the fans the temps improved a couple of degrees so I installed the FS7-Pro, which dropped it a couple of more degrees to about 31-32C. That did it and I went and borrowed the Thermal Probe, this time after signing my life away, I also borrowed the direct laser read Infra-red attachment too! Takes the temp right through the window! Just converge the twin laser beams and push the button! The problem was the single slot video card! Hot air was being trapped below and behind the video card. 42C worth of hot air! Went to nVidia (now why didn't I think of doing that, as nVidoa's only 20 minutes away LOL!!) and bought a G92 GTS which turned out to be the high end XFX with the 678MHz core clock. Went back and installed it and the temps are now 28-29C Idle and 55-56C max, running Orthos @3.3GHz! It will probably run a degree or two hotter when the summer heat gets here, as it's very dry here and oppressively hot but I think he's good to go! We may change the window fan to something that moves a bit more air, although removing the top fan seems to help the side fan move more air. We'll see!
Best Regards,
Russ
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24. June 2008 @ 09:00 |
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I can understand the benefit of changing to a GPU that exhausts out the case rather than dumping heat into it. When the room temperature is 22C like it typically is, the temperature of the case is usually about 26-27C. The CPU typically idles at around 31-34C (I say idle, that's anything that isn't more than 25% load really) and the GPU idles at around 36/37C, the same as the chipset. While the temps aren't exemplary they seem better than average, and done using fans that spin so slowly you can practically still read the stickers!
It's not fast fans you need, it's several, and in the right places!
For reference load temps are 40-42C CPU, 38C Chipset, 50-60C GPU, case temperature 29-30C.
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24. June 2008 @ 09:08 |
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greensman.. On the Q9450 the best price I can find is 330.00. at newegg. With Heatsink & Fan That's about a 60.00 more
Do U know where I can get it Without Heatsink & Fan
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24. June 2008 @ 09:12 |
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Rick,
I highly recommend paying a little more and going with the retail version (boxed kit with hsf). the warranty is 3 years for retail and only 1 year for oem/tray cpu. microcenter has the Q9450 retail for $300 http://www.microcenter.com/single_produc...duct_id=0287628
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24. June 2008 @ 09:30 |
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I also forgot a Video card..I don't need anything 4 Gaming just 4 Monitor & TV . I'm guessing anything will really do
Any recommendations
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24. June 2008 @ 09:31 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
if you want one that is the same specs as your 6300 then they will; be about £10 ($15) on ebay, if you want a decent one, then look at about $100. and to install is pips. unscrew (one screw) old one and slot in new one and screw. infact that and ram are the easiest.
shaf - i got a medion 8383xl pc, the graphics card in it at the mo is a G Force 6610Xl PCI. I can't find these anywhere, Do you which one i'll need? also if i change the card will i have to load new drivers & stuff?
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24. June 2008 @ 09:55 |
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sammorris,
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When the room temperature is 22C like it typically is, the temperature of the case is usually about 26-27C.
The typical room temperature in these parts is about 25C during the summer. It's very hard to air condition air here because it's so dry. The heat just soaks into everything. Trust me, you wouldn't want to walk to the corner store during the heat of the day. You haven't lived until you've sunburned your eyelids! Only did it once, though! LOL!! Hey, I was hanging my laundry on the line and talking to a fine looking woman, so I wasn't exactly in a hurry! ROFL!!
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It's not fast fans you need, it's several, and in the right places!
I'm using fast fans only by your standards! 1200 and 1300 rpm aren't fast by most of our standards here. I'm also running the CPU fan through PWM in the setup and it idles about 1000 rpm. I'm not happy with the noise the stock side fan makes, but everything else is pretty quiet. Right now his makes a little bit more noise than mine does, but I think the stock side fan is going to be history real soon. It's not as quiet as you would like it, but still much quieter than most computers. We'll see how it all works come those 115F+ days!
BTW, I have a question for you. What's the difference between the plain Lexa Blackline and the Lexa Blackline Series CS-NT-LEXA-BLB, besides the blue lights? It costs a few dollars more, so I'm wondering why?
Best Regards,
Russ
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24. June 2008 @ 10:10 |
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24. June 2008 @ 10:25 |
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24. June 2008 @ 10:47 |
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Thank everybody, but I was really looking at the PCI Video cards. Are these an inferior card over the PCI Express
I've got my total order together comes to a total of 987.00
With..DIAMOND Stealth S9250PCI256SB Radeon 9250 256MB 128-bit DDR PCI Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103167
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24. June 2008 @ 10:55 |
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rick5446,
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Thank everybody, but I was really looking at the PCI Video cards. Are these an inferior card over the PCI Express
Yes! Much slower! They're an inferior card over an 8X AGP as well! LOL!! You're much better off with a PCIe 16X! Especially as I think you wanted HDTV!
Russ
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24. June 2008 @ 10:56 |
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I was actually commenting in agreement with you, 1300rpm is slow by most standards.
The Blue Lexa Blackline presumably costs more because it's only just been released in the US, to my knowledge it's the same case.
Rick: Yes, PCI is ridiculously inferior to PCI express. The average PCie card is over ten times as fast as a PCI one that costs the same amount.
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24. June 2008 @ 11:00 |
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theonejrs..Thank you, Yes your right I'll change it
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24. June 2008 @ 11:03 |
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24. June 2008 @ 11:04 |
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24. June 2008 @ 11:09 |
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Sam it seems to have a REALLY high rating on newegg and they don't seem to be having problems. I think he is safe with the EVGA version.
EDIT: All the bad reviews are people like this for example.
Pros: Ok first of all this is not a bad card. If this is your first card it is great. key word first.
Cons: I really don't like this card. I had an EVGA 7600GT with 256 MB RAM. I thought that this card would be a great improvement over it but it was not. i could not play rome total war with full graphics, or TF2. And i'm only running at 1440X900. Also when ever i used Fraps the frame rate would drop to 6 FPS!
Other Thoughts: Overall i am very disappointed in the card and i can't wait to go back to my 7600GT.
LOL HE WANTS TO GO BACK TO HIS 7600GT
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24. June 2008 @ 11:14 |
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of all the reviews of the XFX on newegg, bar the noise of the fan, only 2 of the 42 reviews suggest a faulty product, and in any case, when were newegg reviewers trustworthy?
I advise people against EVGA not for DOA or low quality products from the outset, but for long term reliability.
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24. June 2008 @ 11:18 |
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Well, what ever he wants to go with. He caneither take his chances with the EVGA card(which I think should be fine, but you never know) or pay 20 more and get the XFX.
Still MUCH better off than getting a 8600GT ;)
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24. June 2008 @ 11:21 |
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Agreed.
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24. June 2008 @ 11:41 |
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OK! My order is placed, after 2 hard days and a lot of help from all of you, Which I appreciate GREATLY..Thank You, Thank You, Thank You. You just don't know how reassuring, and helpful, everybody is for a NOB like myself, this is the greatest site and people EVER. Just a curious Question! Are their any Girls here, or all Guys. Again,just curious
My final buy
XFX PVT84JYDF3 GeForce 8600 GT 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express
I remember I used this in my Son-Inlaws
Some will be happy 4 me others sad, but tomorrow is the beginning of a new day Again everybody THANKS
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24. June 2008 @ 11:55 |
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rick5446,
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Some will be happy 4 me others sad, but tomorrow is the beginning of a new day Again everybody THANKS
So be happy for tomorrow. In the end you're the one that needs to be pleased! LOL!!
Russ
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