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jaypugh
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17. April 2006 @ 10:40 |
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LOL, Ok ok? so there are some misconceptions to clear here. First, as I have already pointed out, Nintendo made much of the SAME claims with their GC as to their new ingenious controller and that they were not competing with Sony and MS (remember? Cheaper, just a game machine and nothing else, etc.). The fact still remains, they did compete and they lost. To put it simply for you Toinye, Nintendo has done just about everything wrong that they could possibly do with their systems since the SNES. To make a claim that all they need is their games and nothing else is bold yet over zealous to say the least. Now you want me to somehow think they are geniuses that have a strategy, yet again, that will turn the gaming world on end. I hope the Rev does good and just maybe I?ll buy one but don?t kid yourself about parents ditching thoughts of the PS3 or 360 to get their kids a Rev. If jr. wants a 360 the parents won?t show up with a Rev as a substitute. By Christmas 2006 the 360 will not be so difficult to find and I wouldn?t doubt seeing a $50 price drop (just my thought on the price). So, just to state my opinion clearly, I don?t think I have Revolution?s plan wrong. What I think is that you have bought a sale?s pitch that I have yet to be sold on. As I?ve already said, I hope that I?m wrong. I wouldn?t mind investing in a Nintendo Rev if I find that it, unlike the GC, will have over 2 or 3 games that I find worth playing. When it comes to the old games, between work and other activities I barely have enough time to play what I consider the elite games much less time to play tons of old games with bad graphics blown up on a 55? HDTV. Of course I?m a typical gamer and the Big N is looking at non typical gamers, right?
As to my thoughts on SSBMelee, I don?t doubt for a minute that I?m mistaken on the button mashing. I rented the game, thought it sucked and took it back the next day. Yes, it has cute characters like the other Nintendo games and I should have given it more time but I had other games to play that I knew I liked at the time. It was fun to play with my son for a night though. To be honest my harsh thoughts on this game are pretty unwarranted considering the fact that I lost interest in fighting games about 3 Tekkens ago. The counter system does remove the button mashing but then turns into one person waiting for another person to punch so they can counter. This is the way I felt when playing Fight Night 3 online anyway. Yes, it is FAR better than button mashing but it still got old pretty quick as do most fighting games for me. You talk about a genre that needs something new! Counters are in most fighters now. Maybe the Rev will have a new angle. It?s possible I suppose.
I?ve seen the latest screens and talk of Red Steel for the Revolution and oddly enough it looks much like a typical fps. The fact that you use the controller to manipulate the character?s hand and aim the way they have done it is intriguing but also has the high possibility to be more gimmick than anything else. From what I?ve seen I?m afraid that the layout will make it cool for aiming and shooting but straffing and such will be confusing. Will it change gaming? Not likely. It may change the way we look at certain games but so did the PS2 Eye Toy, the maracas for Sega?s Maraca game and more importantly the dance pad on Dance Dance Revolution. All of these made the experience more life like but were so limited in practicle use. Of course the Nintendo controller is far more advanced and I suppose if anyone can pull it off then a company like Nintendo can but I have my doubts. Whether the Nintendo Rev makes a REAL impact instead of being a gimmick remains to be seen. Haven?t they already revealed a controller setup that makes the two controllers fit together to function much like a typical controller would? If I?m correct then Game Informer or a source in the net showed a setup like this so it could play, ?conventional videogames?. I have to wonder how many of these there will be compared to the new ?innovative games? that use the capabilities of the new controller. Time will tell. If it turns out to have a decent amount of games that are top notch then $200 isn?t much to drop for any game system.
One last thing I would like to mention is that I do not agree that games have plateau?d. True 3D worlds that are getting of decent size are just now being created with decent graphics. I?m talking about Oblivion and games such as that. Even sports games are still lacking in realism IMO. The fluid motion, photo realistic graphics and quality AI have not merged to make that game where I think, ?There is no reason to make another game. Just update the rosters each year.? Anyway, I think there is a LONG way to go to being at the point that we have plateu?d. We are just now getting to the point that the creator can start letting his creativity have very little in the way of technological boundaries. Until this point, and still to some extent, if a game looked phenomenal then it meant there was little interaction within the game (for example being able to actually sit in a chair or break it instead of bumping into it and it being stuck to the floor). GR:AW is the best fps war game yet IMO yet it could still use a ton in the graphical department. Yes, we are getting there but we are not there yet.
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dr.cool
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17. April 2006 @ 16:48 |
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The best game coming out soon is definently timeshift and huxley, but one thing that makes me mad is that x360 gameplay is not innovative i like the games but theyre all the same unlike nintendo and onlike sony that make games like katamari dimashi (excuse the spelling) i just dont think ms has really pushed the envelope. but we all know that sony can and they will copy the best parts of the x360 live.
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17. April 2006 @ 16:54 |
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give it time, every thread i got to i see you complaining about the xbox 360 games, now i am not saying that what is out now is that great except for oblivion and GRAW, but what i am trying to say is that at least give the xbox 360 a year (november 2006) to get some more games, then if you still are dissapointed then sell the xbox 360 for the ps3.
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Toinye
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17. April 2006 @ 17:32 |
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Maybe I should have been more specific. When I say games have plateu'd, I meant the way games today are PLAYED, not the technical and graphical enhancements and gameplay improvements.
Like I said man, I'm trying to see things from an un-biased non-gamer perspective which you refuse to try to do jaypugh. If you look at gaming from an unbiased perspective, the typical gamer just sits there staring at the screen using a conventional controller...that's been the way shit has been for the past 20 years. So the way games are played is way past due for an overhaul. THAT's what I was trying to say.
Allowing you to play against gamers online on a console, and being able to use the headset to talk shit to people is becoming commonplace in gaming, which is a good step in the direction of revolutionizing the way games are played. But it's all about pushing the bar.
You keep having your doubts about Rev, yet you still want it to succeed, but have you been paying any attention to the success of the Nintendo DS? As of right now, (not cumulative, of course) the DS is the top selling console. Don't believe me? Read some articles. I own and have played several innovative games on the DS that will most likely change the way we see handheld gaming. If this is ANY indication of what the future of NREV has in store for us, then I will welcome it with open arms.
Oh yeah...you can't expect to like Smash Bros if you've never even played the game. I think that goes for all games in existence. You can't expect to appreciate a game for what it truly is unless you experience it the way it is meant to be. Like me, I am an all-out Halo Hater simply because I've never been to a "Halo-Party" and I've never played Halo 2 online. I never got the TRUE experience from it...it's just a boring unrealistic fps to me. I guess thas why you see Smash Bros the way you do, cuz you only sampled it, and played against your son (you have to play against 3 other skilled people to enjoy it.)
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17. April 2006 @ 17:52 |
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i am glad you at least acknolage (however you spell that) that as you have not played halo propely or halo 2 online that your opinion over the game is what you have seen so far.
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dr.cool
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17. April 2006 @ 18:31 |
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Hey who doesnt want nintendo to succeed in the console race theyve been making toys since the 40s and are a big reason why we still play videogames, but I think the controller they made is to big of a change for people. even the gamecubes controller was a big shock to people. that has been nintendos fault theyre always trying to be different.
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17. April 2006 @ 18:34 |
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fir 200 bucks different might actually work.
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jaypugh
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17. April 2006 @ 18:35 |
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Toinye
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If you look at gaming from an unbiased perspective, the typical gamer just sits there staring at the screen using a conventional controller...that's been the way shit has been for the past 20 years.
LOL, now this is comical. 20 years ago we had the NES with a Dpad and like 3 buttons. Today we have dual joystick , Dpad 10 button controllers (counting buttons on 360 controller without including the back, start, or on/off button). At to this that the buttons have sensitivity as well as the joysticks. I don?t think the question is really that much about the controller when it comes to games.
The delay in sophisticated gameplay has been largely due to the lack of power of the system to portray a real 3D world that you could interact with. Oblivion is likely one of the best games to attempt this and it still shows limitations with the loading of chunks of maps, etc. I believe that developers still can?t develop the games they really want to develop without limitations from the graphics engines. I remember the Xbox articles touting that it would have the power to show worlds similar to the graphics in Jurassic Park (the movie). Well, that didn?t happen and we still haven?t seen something near that quality. The better the graphics processors get the less limitations in the games.
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As of right now, (not cumulative, of course) the DS is the top selling console. Don't believe me? Read some articles. I own and have played several innovative games on the DS that will most likely change the way we see handheld gaming. If this is ANY indication of what the future of NREV has in store for us, then I will welcome it with open arms.
First off the DS isn?t really considered a console system by most but a hand held. Secondly, and my main point to address here is the parallel you draw between the DS success and the yet to be released Rev. Should we have drawn the same conclusion between the Gameboy and the Gamecube? By your logic we should have. Hmm.. wonder what happened with the GC.
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Oh yeah...you can't expect to like Smash Bros if you've never even played the game.
Toinye, try reading some of my posts and it might help in your replies. I have played the game. I thought it sucked and returned it. I explained my growing distaste for most fighters as my biased slant against the game but I HAVE played it.
Lastly, you keep saying, ?Try to see it from a NON gamer?s perspective.? The BIG flaw with this is that the gamers are still going to be the ones buying the Rev. If it succeeds then it isn?t going to be due to people who have never owned a Playstation, PS2,GC, Xbox, etc. If the big N is truly counting on NON gamers to carry the Rev then they have bigger problems than I expected. Nope, just read that they are looking for gamers who want something new. That?s their selling slogan anyway. In the end you have to get gamers to want the system. Maybe they are looking for less hard core gamers but many of them are waiting for price drops of the other systems so they can play with their friends. I personally believe that the Rev can succeed but I don?t think it will take off like the gameboy or DS. The one thing that keeps Nintendo in the game is that they never lose money on hardware and they make even more money from developers due to always having proprietary media. You know, part of the reason that developers left Nintendo during the N64 and GC days.
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Toinye
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18. April 2006 @ 15:10 |
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Ok Jaypugh. You still refuse to see what I'm talking about when I mentioned the way games have been played for the past 20 years. You're thinking from a gamers perspective STILL (when you brought up Dual analog, pressure sensitive buttons, rumble features, or whatever you were talking about in the last post.)
The fact remains that you are STILL sitting in front of a tv screen pressing buttons, no matter how hard, or how soft you press them, you're still essentially doing the same thing.
So in saying that...gaming is in need of an overhaul. I'm not saying that games nowadays have gotten stale but it's time for something different from everything else. It seems your issues with Nintendo all surround 3rd party development, when Nintendo has enough in-house power to carry itself. But, at any rate, I'm being redundant.
I guess there's no point in us continuing to go back and forth because neither side is gaining any ground, so after your next post in response to mine, I'll be done.
(PS, calling NDS a console was a typo, I know its not a console. And the Smash Bros thing...when I said "You never played it" I simply meant you haven't played it enough to know why its a good game. Notice my Halo comparison)
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jaypugh
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19. April 2006 @ 13:37 |
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Toinye,
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The fact remains that you are STILL sitting in front of a tv screen pressing buttons, no matter how hard, or how soft you press them, you're still essentially doing the same thing.
The fact remains that even with the Rev controller you will STILL be ?sitting in front of a TV? and pressing buttons. Ok you can stand if you want but from what I?ve seen, standing has no importance. It simply reads hand movements. You act as if people are going to magically get transformed into Nintendo land because of the Rev ?game controller? that still has buttons, D-pad, etc but also recognizes movement and has what amounts to a light gun (you know, the kind used in games all the way back to Duck Hunt, then Time Crisis, etc.) built in. I recognize the genius side of things. I see that Nintendo has taken a chance on something new and I really like that. On that same note though you have to notice that they have it so you can combine the two controllers and more or less play like a conventional controller. The problem with what I see with pics and such of a guy say.. swinging a sword is that I don?t see it being accurate enough to deal with what could be done with a controller with 10 buttons and two joysticks. I?m sure it will have its place but the controller hasn?t remained a controller because it completely sucks. It has remained similar, yet vastly more complex, due to ease of use!
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It seems your issues with Nintendo all surround 3rd party development, when Nintendo has enough in-house power to carry itself. But, at any rate, I'm being redundant.
Ahh.. I see. This is the reason you already see them quoting 3rd party developers who are interested in the Rev. This is also the reason they dominated the last console war right? There is no denying that Nintendo has strong in house games but to say they can carry a game system by themselves, while other game systems (whether people want to compare them or not) are out with tons more developers is absurd. If they are so far above the rest of the development world then they should lock everyone else out from developing on the Rev and corner the market on it. Doesn?t make much business sense does it?
So, in the end I don?t care whose eyes you see through. You can look through gamers? eyes, movie watchers? eyes, or through the eyes of someone who has never bought a digital component other than a color TV he upgraded to 3 years ago because his B&W TV went out. A game system, which is what the Rev is, NEEDS gamers to want to play it. It takes hard core gamers, average gamers, and light gamers. After all, it?s the gamers who are going to know the background that Nintendo has and love (or hate) their in house titles. Also, in the end, whether you are tilting your hand, moving it forward or moving your thumbs and fingers you are STILL just a guy staring at a TV as you interact with another world. This isn?t some LEAP in technology. It?s a controller that senses movement and has a pointer on it while working with a decently powered game machine. Cool? Yeah! Earth shattering? No.
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Toinye
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20. April 2006 @ 01:49 |
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Toinye
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10. May 2006 @ 12:09 |
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Alright so it seems everything I've been saying about the Revolution/Wii was either proved or confirmed in one way or another at E3.
I was saying that DS was a clear indication of what Wii will bring to videogaming...
Nintendo said: Wii is the future, but DS proves it right now. Compares DS sales to PSP, says PSP was for early adopters, but Nintendo's great games easily swept it away from there. 16million units of DS; PSP is "millions less."
DS on background. Drawing parallels between DS and Wii. "Wii from Nintendo will change game control forever," he says. "Today, you will see. And tomorrow, you will begin to feel."
I was talking about how Wii plans to not compete with other systems, while at the same time bring in a brand new audience to videogaming...
Nintendo said: "If all you want s next genration, you're in the wrong place" Unveiling next leap in gaming, he says. No longer confined to just the few -- it's about eveyone, he says. The next leap is about playing because playing is believing, he says.
"Do you know someone even in your own family who has never played a videogame? I bet you do." This has to change if gaming will really be considered mass-market. Wii will be the system to change that.
I was saying that Wii will change the face of videogaming for years to come...
Nintendo said: Microsoft and Sony's focus on graphics and same-old gaming was fatal, and that history is littered with companies who fell because they did not advance.
Yes, games get more gorgeous and complex, but they also get too complex for casual and non-gamers. So, Nintendo reinvents gaming. DS was their first attempt. At first, it confused people ... then they petted their puppies and spoke to them, and it worked. Next, he talks about Brain Age in the same light. Says Nintendo is reaching new gamers.
"Even your mom can play Wii-mote," says Miyamoto, who takes the stage. He plays Wii Sports tennis to show the gameplay, jumping around wildly to play. You can twist the remote for top-spin, back-spin, etc. He was at first playing single-player, but the winner Scott Dire gets to actually play doubles with Miyamoto. Shakes Miyamoto's hand and gets to play! But then Reggie comes out, and he and Iwata play Miyamoto and Scott Dire in a doubles match! Good times.
Wii will give you more fun for less money and you'll be playing Wii in the fourth quarter for 2006.
Nintendo had the most anticipated, and most impressive / satisfying E3 conference, according to polls on IGN and Gamespot (360 and PS3 were almost tied, because with the exception of a few console specifics on the PS3, everyone knew what to expect from both of these consoles).
So JayPugh...I'm waiting for your rebuttle.
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jaypugh
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10. May 2006 @ 18:14 |
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LOL, waiting for a rebuttle? LOL! Do you think Nintendo came out and said, "The Virtual Boy will be an average system with nothing new. Buy it NOW!!!" or "The Power Glove isn't made to make games better. It's to look like Michael Jackson so you can be cool while you play!" Ummm.. No.. You know why you didn't hear such ludicrous statements? Because each company create's their own hype. What did you actually expect Nintendo to show up and say? You act as if this is some epiphany!! How about we look back to Sony and the hype as to what the PS2 would do.
As to the Rev being the most anticipated from E3, it comes as NO surprise. The 360 has already launched and the news of the PS3 and all it will do has been known forever. Does this mean that the Rev has nothing going for it? Of course not but I did enjoy your spilling of their hype word for word across your post. Success is relative. That is the one good thing going for the Rev. True, if it has some good games then some will consider it a success. Perhaps even myself! Nintendo will create some great games and they don't lose money on hardware, while typically screwing 3rd party developers on the price of the medium in which to put their games as well. This will keep them in the black no matter what. Success? Relative...
Lastly, quoting numbers of DS to the PSP seems like a fair shake but not quite. I would like to see the amount of money spent on DS vs PSP. People have been paying $300 for PSPs and it will gain popularity as the weakness of the graphics engine in the DS starts to show. I love the DS for my son. We got it for about half the price of a PSP so I was glad for his choice but he's been dying for a PSP since that day. Not that he wants to get rid of his DS.
So, I don't think of this as much of a rebuttal. I suppose because I don't see much to rebut. Maybe I could go and quote flashy things that different 360 reps and PS3 reps said. No, I'm sure they said that their systems aren't great and aren't the way of the future. I'm sure they also said they had no plans to bring anything new to gaming... *sarcasm* When the games are here and I say to myself, "I MUST HAVE THAT" then I'll buy a Rev. I'll also post up when my mom, dad, sister and other non gamers jump up and down with glee because they have given up their evening hobbies to play the Rev. when they don't like video games. You never know!
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Toinye
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10. May 2006 @ 20:11 |
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Such a smartass...it's hilarious. Very entertaining Jaypugh. Anyway, overall this E3 was very very impressive for all 3 platforms. This might just be the best E3 ever because the focus wasn't on hardware but software. So many good games coming out that I can't even keep up wit the damn coverage of all of em.
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10. May 2006 @ 23:20 |
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Enough with the name calling. Jaypugh is being quite civil about the whole manner, and I for one appreciate the fact that he's taking the time to discuss this whole thing. That said, let me see if I can delve into some of these things:
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If you guys will remember back to the GC and could find old headlines from Nintendo you would see the same claims for their GC. I remember the big buzz about the N controller and how they were looking to capture a different gamer market. This time they are saying the same thing, only louder.
This is true. The GC controller was supposed to be pretty sweet, but after it was revealed everyone was like "oh... okay maybe not". However, the Wii controller has been hyped in the same fasion, and in fact, louder, as you say. But it's also been revealed, and the general consensus is that, yes, this is way different than other controllers. Do you see what I'm trying to say? Where the GC failed as it was revealed, the Wii controller has only emphasized this notion.
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I predict a huge failure with their remaining die hard fan base and not much else unless they show the world something they can't live without.
Nintendo is taking a big risk, I agree. Iwata even said that. Wether it is pulled off remains to be seen. I hope Nintendo can deliver. You also made a comment about third party support being Nintendo's downfall starting with the 64, and I agree. The Gamecube had even less. But the Wii is relatively easy and cheap to develop for (compared to 360 and ps3) and developers are lured by that, and the fact that the controller is so different. This notion has been voiced again and again by third party developers, and the Wii does in fact have more third party developer support this time around than when the GCN was launched.
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Sure some people will like it for the party games. I have played SSBMelee. It was fun but turned into a button masher in no time for me and most of my friends.
If you didn't like SBM than that's totally fine with me, and I'm certianly not going to try to convince you that it is amazing. Actually, I was sort of dissappointed with it when I first got it. I was so accustomed to the n64 version that the new one didn't seem that great. But after a while, it grew on me, and then it grew on me really fast. It is still by far the most heavily played title on my Cube, even though it was an early release.
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As to the Rev being the most anticipated from E3, it comes as NO surprise. The 360 has already launched and the news of the PS3 and all it will do has been known forever.
I did recall seeing a poll a couple weeks before e3 that also stated that the Wii was the most anticipated, so you are correct from there. But the margin was very slim.
Following e3, some of the polls reguarding who "wowed" the biggest crowd still stuck with Nintendo, but the poll I saw from gamefaqs showed Nintendo with a huge lead. I think that Nintendo did deliver, at least a little bit, with the hype preceding the event, but I also think that Sony was hit with more negative than positive feedback. I mean sony has some huge announcements with price and the "new" controller, metal gear previews, etc and microsoft with HD-DVD add on, GOW, xbox live. Nintendo must have done at least something right following up their hype.
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Lastly, quoting numbers of DS to the PSP seems like a fair shake but not quite. I would like to see the amount of money spent on DS vs PSP. People have been paying $300 for PSPs and it will gain popularity as the weakness of the graphics engine in the DS starts to show. I love the DS for my son. We got it for about half the price of a PSP so I was glad for his choice but he's been dying for a PSP since that day. Not that he wants to get rid of his DS.
In all honesty, I don't like the comparisons with the DS and the PSP. I mean they're certainly competitors in the sense that they were released around the same time (relatively), but I think that the systems are so different that they are merely "co-existing" rather than "competing". The only reason I ever like to cite DS sales is to prove the point that an innovative/unique system can in fact lead to success. In that sense, I have high hopes that the Wii can do the same thing. I feel that the controller is as much an innovation as the DS touchscreen, but does that mean the Wii can sell as much as the 360 and ps3? I'm not sure; home consoles are handhelds are still different enough that the DS success analogy may not exactly translate to Wii success.
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The fact remains that even with the Rev controller you will STILL be ?sitting in front of a TV? and pressing buttons.
I think that this is an oversimplification as a whole. I mean I can say this exact thing to any ps3 and 360 person touting HD graphics, and completely render their different arguments void as well.
As shitty as the Wii sports demo looked, I still found myself half-laughing by how immersed some of those guys were in following through the tennis swings. It rekindled my hope that maybe the experience will be different. As good as those guys tried to act, I still saw some genuine entertainment and thrill on their faces.
The game trailers definately over-emphasize the human interaction, but who knows, if the game is good enough, you just might really feel that involved.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said except for the DS vs PSP comparison. Sure they are completely different in almost everything that they offer to gamers, or people looking for a media alternative, but they are still in competition with each other. I believe JayPugh made a comment about DS' lack of graphics will eventually lead to its downfall or something to that effect, but the DS has been on a pretty solid streak as far as releasing fun and innovative games for the DS. E3 showed previews for even more. But, to add to what OofRome said, it doesn't really look like one handheld will necessarily bump the other out of the spotlight because people have both for different reasons.
People mainly want PSP's for its media capabilities (and bootlegged games). People want a DS because they are fans of Nintendo's slew of fun games (even though no DS game is truly indulging).
Rome, don't misunderstand me though, I wasn't getting hostile when I made the insult, it was meant to be taken as I enjoy hearing what JayPugh has to say because the dude makes to excellent points. He kinda negates everything I say though which is why I find it funny.
It seems both of you are going off Nintendo's previous track record and that is fueling some of your views of Wii. That's understandable. It's kinda hard to believe the words coming from a company who has not lived up to its name since like 1994 but for some reason, in my heart of hearts, I feel that this time will be different. No doubt about it though, if Wii does not pull it off in these next couple of years, this will probably be their last console (well, the last one anyone will actually care about).
All I know is, this is the first E3 where Nintendo has WOWED me. The reviews from IGN and Gamespot journalists who had the chance to play these games were saying nothing but great things about the majority of them. I could care less about the console war. I don't want platform to necessarily be better than the next. All 3 systems have a great slew of games coming out within the next year so the bottom line is I don't see my ass being bored with games like I am now.
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11. May 2006 @ 22:35 |
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Toinye,
I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I do have a sarcastic side that can irritate people at times. For that I apologize. I don't sit and long to spend time typing stuff to irritate people but love to show two sides of a debate, even if I take a side I don't totally agree with. For example, in church if the class is boring with everyone listening but no interaction then I interject with a "what if" that is a totally different perspective just to make people's minds think. It is when we debate, without anger, that we learn the most about things. It makes us CARE. This is my take anyway.
Keeping this in mind let me make a few comments. I don't think the Rev is a horrible machine. Yes, I think it COULD bomb because I think it is possible that the controller interaction could turn out to be more promising in theory than in reality. A fear does pop into my mind that after a while, when the newness wears off, I (along with many others) may prefer to control their with the more traditional style controllers like the Xbox, 360, PS2, etc. I think that some games will certainly capture an audience like no other game can due to the controller but those games will have to be unique and the control dialed in to perfection. With that said, I think there will be many people who will be turned off to the new controller because they want to play Madden, fps games, baseball, basketball, platformers, etc. in the old style of using the dual joystick method of control. So, I think that the Rev will be much like the GC in that the really different games will be there and will draw a core group of people. For the price of the Rev I might pick it up if it has a couple of games that I really want but I'll then be dealing with lack of space for 3 game systems and buying a HDMI splitter, etc. The pricing is a major boost for the Rev. I can't argue that just as I can't argue that my son got a DS over a PSP because of price but with home systems most kids want what all of their friends are going to have. If his friends have PS3s or 360s then he will want them over a Rev as.
oofRome,
I appreciated your comments as I do those of Toinye. I agree with many of your points. In the end I hope the Rev is a success and I can see how people would root for its success. I guess I?m just weary of buying the hype. I didn?t buy the 360 for the hype. I bought it to play Halo 3 (when released), GR and tons of fps games which I think it will have. If I buy a PS3 then I will buy it for platform games and more of the kids games along with a strong library that covers all gaming genres. If I buy the Rev it will be because it has shown the controller to be long term fun for the games that I can?t find on the 360 or PS3. That brings up one last point. I don?t know whether to call PORTS a pro or a con but the Rev will certainly lack most ports that the other systems will have (whether just on console or PC to console ports). Just more food for thought?
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Toinye
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12. May 2006 @ 06:06 |
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One more point. The Wii is not restricted to just the "Wii-Mote," as some writers have called it. There is the virtual console controller
The Analog-nunchuck add-on to the wii-mote, and your original gamecube controller.
The simpler games will use the single remote, and the more complex action/adventure titles like Zelda and Red Steel will use the nunchuck add-on which apparently makes for a conventional feel (according to what IGN and gamespot).
But Jaypugh I agree with all of your doubts for Wii. If Nintendo decides to release a bunch of FAD games that catch your attention for a day then get old shortly after, then the Wii might just bomb, like you said. But if they decide to make deeper games like Zelda and Red Steel and don't focus on games like Mario Party (which prolly wont happen) then Nintendo might be safe. Only time will tell.
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jaypugh
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13. May 2006 @ 14:14 |
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I agree with you there Toinye. Either way I think the Rev will be a good thing as it will stir things up and prompt everyone to make better games. If they do it wrong then it will still show people something different and MS & Sony will adopt what they see that is good. If Nintendo comes out great then we are just that much better off. Don't get me wrong through all of this. I'm for great games. If the games rock on he Rev then I'll be ready to buy it. I've owned every Nintendo system since I can remember. Then again I've owned just about every system to release (count the 3D0 and Jaguar) since the SNES. Anyway, you've made some good points. I hope for the best.
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13. May 2006 @ 16:40 |
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long story short, nintendo have a great consle with suppringly good graphics, great exclusives, brilliant controller, online play and best of all its cheap as hell (hopefully). therefore i think nintendo alough m$ bring out good games and sony with their fanbase, i still think they can win the war. the only reason why it does not look that way at the momment is b/c wii must be experienced to be liked i reckon therefore i say at least give it a year from now and nintendo will over take MS in sales. anyways thats my take on things.
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jaypugh
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15. May 2006 @ 06:50 |
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rabbity,
Let's not over simplify things here now! LOL! I think the Wii has a chance to do well but I don't think there is a chance in you know where that they will win the war when it comes to the amount of systems sold. Your recap lacks a few things to keep in mind. Nintendo has a strong fan base that will stay (positive). The fan base has gotten smaller, in my opinion over the last two console wars due to Nintendo releasing sub par hardware and pushing developers away with high end development costs (developers having to buy Nintendo's proprietary medium such as N64 cartridges). Also, the support for the Wii is total speculation as to just how strong right now. We can't even go by the number of games that are being developed because of the HIGH percentage of supposed games that never make it to market. Let's face it, Nintendo dug itself a hole with the last two consoles and many developers are going to develop with caution for the Wii until it has sold well and they know they can make money. Yes, developers want to create new and innovative games but the bottom line is that they have to make money. I can only imagine how companies who signed exclusive deals with Nintendo for the GC felt as they sold so few titles (think of the Resident Evil deal? :( )
Anyway, I do hope the best for the Wii but to think that they will win the war is a bit over zealous in my opinion.
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15. May 2006 @ 07:25 |
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i think not buts thats just my personal opinion..
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15. May 2006 @ 07:45 |
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I am still undecided whether the Wii's control method will only have novelty value, or whether it'll be an intuitive method of gaming. Graphically, it aint that special, so i'm gonna hold off till I get t o have a shot in-store.
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Toinye
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20. May 2006 @ 07:18 |
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graphically it was never supposed to be special. If you followed journalists on IGN and Gamespot all of them were saying they went to Nintendo's booth still skeptical. Then after playing Mario Galaxy, Excite Truck and a few others, they said they were MORE than satisfied with Wii's controller.
They were trying to tell people not to let the look fool you anymore. But it's kinda hard for us to do that cuz they've played it and we haven't.
BUT has anyone been reading SONY's press reports lately? Sony admitted that this is going to be a tough console war this time around. I've never heard Sony admit ANYTHING like that. They must have went into E3 not expecting much from Microsoft and Nintendo cuz Sony is usually like "Nothing else matters but the playstation, anything else is just a waste of your time."
Nintendo caught Sony's attention mainly because of its huge showing at E3 and its supposed price which is said to be less than half the price of a 60gb PS3. They also noticed people having FUN with their games in the Nintendo booth. They didn't expect Nintendo to be the biggest show at E3. Then Microsoft revealed that GTA4 would have a simultaneous launch which means there's a possibility Micro might steal even MORE of Sony's GTA fan base (which is a big deal).
Sony said they are losing hundreds and hundreds of dollars per console (blu ray players will be $1000 but they are selling PS3's for $600) so they said this time around they will be betting all their chips on the success of the PS3. They are confident, but their cocky attitude got squashed into the ground this time because the competition is stronger now.
So while those three companies are battling for respectability, WE will have another 5-6 years of AMAZING GAMES for all 3 consoles!!! Man what a beautiful thing...
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rabbity
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20. May 2006 @ 07:35 |
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very well said.
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