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adawn101
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13. August 2007 @ 08:45 |
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Okay. SO after going through the lists that you all gave, here is mixed list of what I got so far for a build:
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6750 $212
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 $110
is there any other motherboard that is still good, but cheaper?
Ram: 2x1GB PC6400$76
Power Supply: This is one that was recommendedCorsair 520W $125
However, I found these that have similar wattages, but I don't know if they are good or not. they are almost half the price, that is why i ask.
Antec NeoHE 500 ATX12V 500W this is only 59.99 after rebate
or this one, KINGWIN ABT-600CW ATX 12V 2.0V 600W $59.99 after rebate
Hard drive:
I am not so sure about what cache means for harddrives. the first one is 8MB while the second one is 16MB. I assume the higher the better, but do i need 16MB cache?
Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JS 200GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s $54.99
Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YS 160GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s $59.99
HITACHI Deskstar T7K500 HDT725025VLA380 (0A33423) 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s $59.99
Burner: SAMSUNG Black $29.99
Case: NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $49.99 after rebate
Monitor: is this good? it is cheaper and bigger than those listed earlier, but I don't know if the company is good. SCEPTRE X20WG-1080P Black 20.1" 5ms(GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 Built in Speakers $149.99 after rebate
So I don't need a sound card or anything b/c motherboards come with the basic sound card right?
Also, i don't mean to chop at anyone's feet by asking about different products even after you all have given some links, but I just want to go through options that make it cheap.
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13. August 2007 @ 08:56 |
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There's a reason why we put what we do, we're not here to rip you off.
The motherboard is very good, which is why we recommend it, as is the power supply.
The NeoHE power supply isn't so bad, but the Kingwin one is rubbish.
Stick with the Corsair model.
As for the hard disk, 16MB cache offers a bit better performance, but with that example you're paying more for a smaller hard drive, it's not really worth it.
Sceptre monitors are quite good, and they seem to be getting ever cheaper. You're welcome to use that one.
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adawn101
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16. August 2007 @ 08:59 |
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I am going to go with a self build. Here is what I know I will be getting.
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6750
Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard
RAM: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
Case: NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Burner: SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache E-IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner
Monitor:
SCEPTRE X20WG-1080P Black 20.1" 5ms(GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 Built in Speakers
Now for the hard drive, I guess based on past suggestions, it is down to these two options:
Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200AAJS 320GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $74.99
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Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $69.99
The first has more space, but is 8MB while the second has less space(but enough for me) and is 16 MB.
I bring up power supply I final time (sorry sammoris). I know that you said the Corsair is better than the earlier ones I asked about. I saw that in another thread, there was another power supply that you said would work for the guy/girl asking the question. The person had a similar system to mine, without knowing the exacts of the build. Here is the power supply they asked about:
Thermaltake Purepower W0100RU ATX 12V 2.0 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CUL, TUV, FCC, and CB certification $44.99
If this is not good for the build I want to do, I will stick with the Corsair you suggested earlier.
For the video card, I am confused with what to get. In my other computer I have a GeForce 7300. I will temporarily put that in the new computer since the old one will no longer really need it. I'll look through the forums and take my time with picking the card.
Also, do I need to get a floppy drive/ card readers? Do I need a floppy drive when I build the computer? If not, I'd rather not get one. (I think I may actually have an old floppy drive somewhere in a box if I do need one.).
In an earlier post, someone listed this item:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
What is this and do I really need it?
Can you all please make sure that all of these pieces are compatible with each other. Also, if in the future I wanted to upgrade to Vista, would these pieces allow for that?
Thank you all for your help so far.
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16. August 2007 @ 09:29 |
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Vista will work fine with these components. That motherboard is also very good. Are you going to overclock? The freezer 7 pro is a cpu cooler, I just ordered it and I'll let you know how much the temps drop. Right now my temps are at 40 degrees because I undervolted my CPU, otherwise they are usually at 50. I should have that on Wednesday.
As for the video card try to go for the 8800 GTS if your budget allows, it's not too expensive and delivers a lot of performance.
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adawn101
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16. August 2007 @ 13:06 |
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okay, but will i need a floppy drive during installation of any of the products: motherboard, processor...
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16. August 2007 @ 13:24 |
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No you wont. Everything should work after you install windows. Your motherboard will come with a driver cd, you will need to install that to make the LAN, sound, etc work, but the core things(HDD, DVD/CD Drives, keyboard, mouse, and monitor) will work.
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20. August 2007 @ 03:17 |
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Stick with the Corsair PSU, especially if you're going to overclock, and/or buy the 8800GTS. You'll need a decent amount of power, and I know the Corsair can provide it, I'm not so certain about the Thermaltake.
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adawn101
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24. August 2007 @ 15:35 |
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I ordered the parts and I got all of parts delivered. Again, here are the parts:
Gigabyte GA-965P
E6750 Core Duo
NZXT Apollo Case
Corsair 520W
Samsung burner
Corsair Memory
Spectre Monitor
I am having a little trouble connecting all of the parts and wires. I have hooked up the motherboard and the pcu together. Motherboard is screwed to case. power supply screwed on. Corsair memory inserted. On the burner, I have an IDE cable hooked up to the motherboard and I have it hooked up to the power supply. Question #1: I see a spot on the motherboard that says CD IN. Do i hook anything to this(4pin slot)?
For the harddrive, I have a sata wire attached to the motherboard and a wire going to the power supply.
Now, for the 2 fans that are provided by the case. The wire attached to the fan has two different ends. One end has 4 thick pins sticking out and the other end can take 4 thick pins. Question #2: Do I pick one and attach them do the power supply. Can I use one wire that can attach to both of the fans and connect them to one spot on the power supply or does each fan have to be attached independently?
Now, for the part that I am really confused about. There are a whole bunch of wires that are supplied by the case that deal with the power button and lights. There are so many and I am so confused as to where they all go. Question 3: Where do they connect onto the motherboard. Here is what the "bunch" of wires contains:
Bunch #1:
-10 hole HD Audio (actually 9 holes with 1 blocked off)
-10 hole AC'97 (actually 9 holes with 1 blocked off)
-off of the AC'97, there are 7 single holed wires: L-out, L-return, R-out, R-return, Mic-in, Mic-power, and ground
Bunch #2:
-10 hole 1394 (actually 9 holes with 1 blocked off- blocked off in a different position than the prior 2 listed above)
-off of the 1294, there are 7 single holed wires: VG, TPA+, TPA-, TPB+, TPB-, VP, Ground
Bunch #3:
-2 holed Power SW
-2 holed H.D.D. LED
-2 holed Reset SW
-1 holed P+
-1 holed P-
-1 thing that has 4 thick pins sticking out in the front (arbitrarily saying front) and 4 thick holes in the back
I tried to take pictures, but they are coming out very unclear. I can try and describe what is on the motherboard if you all need, but there is so much. Here are some open pins on the motherboard:
+MSG-, +HD-, +PW-, -RES+, NC, +SPEAK-, +GD-, +GN-, PWR_LED(2pins), CI(3 pins), SPDIF_I(3pins), CD_IN(4pins), F_USB2 and F_USB3(9pins and 1 empty), F_AUDIO(9 pins and 1 empty), NB_FAN(3 pins), PWR_FAN(3pins), SYS_FAN(4pins), FDD(many pins-like IDE)
So I guess that is 3 questions related to many wires. And I did look at the manuals, and they don't really help. Also, I could email the motherboard and case company, but I doubt that there response would be as fast as this forum is. Thanks in advance.
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24. August 2007 @ 15:52 |
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I know I had the same problem, but it really is in the manual. I didn't feel like scanning my manual so here is thePDF. Click on PDF(It's a link) and go to page 25, it shows where to connect it all. The first time was a bit difficult but after that it's a breeze. If you go down it shows you everything. The Speaker wire does down where you connect the power switch etc, and the AC 97 wire goes right next to the chipset. Good Luck, and post back if you need more help.
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adawn101
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25. August 2007 @ 06:26 |
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great. But I am still having trouble where the wires to one of the bunch goes to. I don't see it in the manual. This bunch:
Bunch #2:
-10 hole 1394 (actually 9 holes with 1 blocked off- blocked off in a different position than the prior 2 listed above)
-off of the 1394, there are 7 single holed wires: VG, TPA+, TPA-, TPB+, TPB-, VP, Ground
I just got it that the 1394 refers to the firewire. So, do I just put the 10 hole piece into F_USB2 and leave the single pin wires alone(unattached to anything)?
Also, for the audio, I plugged in the HD Audio by the chipset and left the AC97 and its associated single pin wires alone.
Can anyone also answer my case fan question from my previous reply. Do I directly connect the fans to the power supply, or do I have to also connect something to the motherboard because I see places on the motherboard labeled PWR_FAN, SYS_FAN, and NB_FAN. Also, can i connect 2 fans on the same wire going towards the power supply? The 2 ends of the fan wire are really confusing me. The power wires that came with the power supply, one of them specifically says fan only. However, this wire has 3 ends. Each end has 2 thick pins and 2 thick holes.
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25. August 2007 @ 07:01 |
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do not plug the IEEE wire into a USB plug, doing so will damage the motherboard, you do not have a firewire port on your mobo, so just dont plug it in.
As for the fans, if they have a small 3 pin connector only plug them into the moterboard, if they only have a big 4 pin connector plug them into the fan only on the PSU.
as for the audio you just plug the HD audio in, then in the bios you make sure that that is whats going to the front of the case.
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25. August 2007 @ 07:25 |
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I plugged in my front panel wires to my USB ports on the motherboard, and my front panel has firewire. I don't know if it work's since I don't have any firewire devices but my motherboard is fine.
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25. August 2007 @ 07:27 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
I plugged in my front panel wires to my USB ports on the motherboard, and my front panel has firewire. I don't know if it work's since I don't have any firewire devices but my motherboard is fine.
it wont be fine when you plug a firewire device in, it will kill the device or the moerboard, you need to unplug it.
there is a huge difference between firewire and USB , including where the power comes from, the data transere, and where the GND pins are located.
If you need firewire you will have to get a card.
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25. August 2007 @ 08:07 |
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Hey, thanks I'll go and do that right now. But how do I know if it is a wire for USB or firewire, but since it says USB on the wire I think it might not be for the firewire?
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25. August 2007 @ 08:26 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Hey, thanks I'll go and do that right now. But how do I know if it is a wire for USB or firewire, but since it says USB on the wire I think it might not be for the firewire?
that board does not have a firewire connecto on it, so you wont have anywhere to plug that cable into.
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adawn101
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25. August 2007 @ 10:38 |
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Okay. So i am trying to install XP Pro. I started and it went through the whole partioning thing (for a long time, 1/2 hour or more). Then, when it is at the installing windows screen, the time says setup will complete in approximately: 39 minutes. I get an error screen. I click on the log and this is what it says:
Error:
Installaion Failed: D:\I386\asms. Error Message: The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error.
xxx
Fatal Error:
One of the components that Windows needs to continue setup could not be installed.
The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error.
I went to the bios and tried to make the cdrom boot before the harddrive b/c i remember reading something like that before. I have no idea what to do. Could this be because I don't have the cd rom setup as slave-master correctly. I didn't change anything on it. I left it as it was in the box. I only have 1 cdrom, therefore should it be master. any ideas?
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adawn101
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26. August 2007 @ 05:41 |
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Is it possible that my harddrive could be a bad one. But if it was bad, would the windows installation have made it this far?
Would I be able to post the windows installation error question in the windows section without being reprimanded.
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31. August 2007 @ 08:01 |
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I had a faulty WD5000 500GB drive, I didn't use it as an OS drive, but after a short amount of writing you'd get a 'delayed write failure'. If you tried to install an operating system on it, that's exactly what would have happened. I wouldn't rule out a faulty hard drive.
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