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14. February 2010 @ 08:46 |
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no major site has said anything about it, NOTHING! there were all over the 1.25 billion payout.
where does it show the government intervenign abotu this?
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14. February 2010 @ 11:17 |
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I'm interested to see what comes of this, if anything, in terms of performance, but I don't expect much to change at all with regard to how powerful CPUs are. Even if Intel do release a patch for this (It's possible the story is being kept quiet due to an ongoing legal process) I'm doubtful it will change the state of play for AMD vs Intel - I just think that in X program where the Intels absolutely smash the AMDs for no reason, they'll catch up to where they are in all the others. I do not expect the X4 630 to suddenly outperform the Q8300, the X4 940 to suddenly outperform the Q9400, the X4 965 to suddenly outperform the Q9650, the X2 7750 to suddenly outperform the E5200, and so on.
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14. February 2010 @ 12:36 |
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No I don't think so either. It won't be like a major performance upgrade. But I might see some nice improvements in things where AMD was initially lax.
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14. February 2010 @ 15:04 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I'm interested to see what comes of this, if anything, in terms of performance, but I don't expect much to change at all with regard to how powerful CPUs are. Even if Intel do release a patch for this (It's possible the story is being kept quiet due to an ongoing legal process) I'm doubtful it will change the state of play for AMD vs Intel - I just think that in X program where the Intels absolutely smash the AMDs for no reason, they'll catch up to where they are in all the others. I do not expect the X4 630 to suddenly outperform the Q8300, the X4 940 to suddenly outperform the Q9400, the X4 965 to suddenly outperform the Q9650, the X2 7750 to suddenly outperform the E5200, and so on.
Sam,
I just got to thinking about what changes might occur, and I think you might be right! However, you know me when I start thinking! LOL!!
Just suppose that AMD has had to do certain tweaks or make certain exceptions in order for their CPUs to run acceptably under the current conditions. Suppose AMD has had to work around these bottlenecks and roadblocks the compiler library has placed on them by using slower code? After all, I'm sure that AMD has had to make some compromises because of that slower code, so what happens if AMD can undo some of those compromises and regain some of their lost power they've had to give up in certain areas to run acceptably in areas more crucial to overall performance? I don't doubt that AMD has had to rob from Peter, to pay Paul in order to perform better, so once the roadblocks are removed, they will no longer have to do so. At that point AMD can optimize their CPUs in the same manner as Intel does.
I'm not expecting miracles here, but rather a refinement that a level playing field will allow. I know Shaff would like to believe that all this is BS, because he doesn't respect the sites reporting what's going on here, but there is far too much information out there to be ignored. Look at it from a business standpoint. It is known fact that Intel paid AMD 1.25 Billion Dollars. No huge corporation forks out that kind of money without a fight, yet Intel just handed over the money with very little comment, preferring to beat the drums for the Agreement both companies signed. Things like that don't happen without reason. The agreement between the two companies itself, is a matter of public record! It happened, so it can't be BS.
http://download.intel.com/pressroom/lega...t_agreement.pdf
I would almost bet the Farm that Intel's lawyers told them that all they have to do is remove the offending code Library from their latest release of their Compiler, and Intel could wash their hands of the whole situation. Apparently Our Courts don't see it that way, as they rightfully shouldn't, and called Intel back to Court early last week to explain "The facts of Life" to them, and told them what they want done, along with a few veiled threats of what the court will order if they don't. The Government and the courts have their own computer experts, so they already know that this can be an easy fix. Intel can huff and puff all they want, but in the end they will comply with the court's order! We'll have our patch, and AMD will be able to optimize and refine the performance of their CPUs, in much the same manner as Intel now optimizes theirs.
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14. February 2010 @ 16:36 |
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This could breathe some extra life into my 940. I'm considering a graphics card upgrade in the future, and I'd like to stretch my CPU a bit further. I have in no way been disappointed by the performance yet. But it would be nice to know it's faster than I initially though.
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14. February 2010 @ 20:19 |
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You may struggle to keep a perfect 60fps, but a 3.7Ghz X4 940 is unlikely to dip into the realms of unplayability any time soon in anything except for the ridiculousness that is Arma 2.
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16. February 2010 @ 18:50 |
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21. February 2010 @ 22:30 |
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Heres my take after 21/2 weeks of building.The 945 or 965 are the processors to run whether on am+2 or Am3 boards. The 955 has to many quirks for my taste.Chris
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22. February 2010 @ 02:29 |
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That makes no sense. The 955 is the exact same chip with a different stock multiplier. It's no better or worse than a 940/945 or 965.
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22. February 2010 @ 02:34 |
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Originally posted by ChrisC586:
Heres my take after 21/2 weeks of building.The 945 or 965 are the processors to run whether on am+2 or Am3 boards. The 955 has to many quirks for my taste.Chris
Chris,
First, welcome back!
I haven't heard about any quirks with the new 955 with the C3 stepping. In fact, quite the opposite. There are 2 versions, both Black Editions. There is the new one with the C3 Stepping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808
And the older one with C2 Stepping.
The ones with the GMBOX at the end of the model number are C3 stepping for all the Phenom II x4s. Here's the older 955BE. The model number ends in GIBOX.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674
I've been keeping my eyes open because I'm planning on one of the new 955BEs for my next CPU, and I'm eager to hear about any quirks!
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Russ
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22. February 2010 @ 02:39 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
That makes no sense. The 955 is the exact same chip with a different stock multiplier. It's no better or worse than a 940/945 or 965.
LOL! that's been my thoughts for MANY moons LOL! I would not be surprised if most cpu's are simply different internal clocks/settings. E.g. the 945, 955, 965 are all the same chip, with different settings. And since I bought the 965, you're all probably laughing at this statement LOL! Well... the things is, if I'm mistaken I certainly want the best ;)
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22. February 2010 @ 02:51 |
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Speaking of 955's, what do you guy's think of this as a budget AMD build?
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I'm currently undecided about the ram and it's likely to be changed since the rebate on the mushkin will be well over by the time this build gets done. I think cost could be cut by getting a cheaper gpu but I wasn't sure what to get. This system would pretty much only be used for email, internet, light video playback and unfortunately autoCAD so it can't be removed entirely.
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Edit: I was wondering earlier today what was with the two 955's on newegg, thanks Russ X)
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22. February 2010 @ 03:33 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Speaking of 955's, what do you guy's think of this as a budget AMD build?
GIGABYTE GA-770TA-UD3
HD 4850
CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX
AMD Phenom II X4 955
Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB
I'm currently undecided about the ram and it's likely to be changed since the rebate on the mushkin will be well over by the time this build gets done. I think cost could be cut by getting a cheaper gpu but I wasn't sure what to get. This system would pretty much only be used for email, internet, light video playback and unfortunately autoCAD so it can't be removed entirely.
TIA,
redmaw
Edit: I was wondering earlier today what was with the two 955's on newegg, thanks Russ X)
Red_Maw,
You're Welcome. Some motherboard manufacturers are going a bit nutso with the layout. Note how close the PCI-E x16 slot is to the Northbridge and the CPU cooler. I guess it it's a two slot video card, the heat inside should be minimal. Shortening the pipelines is one thing, but it seems to me, putting all the hot stuff in one general area, sure makes it more difficult to cool everything well!
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22. February 2010 @ 06:22 |
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Both 955.s are with the C3 stepping and as said on the first reviewer on the Gigabyte board this is one of the quirks with the 955.I have it running at 3.6 on air. Take a look over in extreme and Rebels Haven on the 955 after the problems with the second one I found.My mistake was I should"ve kept the 945 for the +2 board instead of the 955.The 945 overclocked a lot easier than the 955.The 955 liked the Gskill ram better than the corsair.
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22. February 2010 @ 14:19 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Red_Maw,
You're Welcome. Some motherboard manufacturers are going a bit nutso with the layout. Note how close the PCI-E x16 slot is to the Northbridge and the CPU cooler. I guess it it's a two slot video card, the heat inside should be minimal. Shortening the pipelines is one thing, but it seems to me, putting all the hot stuff in one general area, sure makes it more difficult to cool everything well!
Russ
Thanks for pointing out the layout, I didn't even notice. After a brief look it seems that all Gigabyte boards have the first PCI-E slot up at the top, can't imagine why they decided to do that. Going to have to take a closer look at MB's from now on, and it's making me reconsider Gigabyte.
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22. February 2010 @ 15:25 |
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The top 1x slot, despite how it looks, does not interfere with the northbridge cooler on 90%+ of boards. I found this out recently by using one for the first time.
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22. February 2010 @ 15:56 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The top 1x slot, despite how it looks, does not interfere with the northbridge cooler on 90%+ of boards. I found this out recently by using one for the first time.
Sam,
It's not the 1x slot that concerns me, it's the top PCI-E slot. There's only about 60mm of space between the back side of the Video card and the CPU cooler, with the card in the top slot, and the NB heat sink sits squarely in the middle of that space. I'm going to put the video card back in the top slot and see what that does to my temps.
Best Regards,
Russ
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22. February 2010 @ 15:58 |
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I won't lie, upgrading from my HD3870 to 4870X2 in the top slot upped my old NB temps by 14C, and moving the X2 to the lower slot gave me 12 of those Celsius back :P
As long as you have a board with proper electrical connection speed to the lower slot (any high-end board in a series, the basic boards like UD3 ones will be an issue) then using the lower slot is fine, even for a dual card like a 4870X2.
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22. February 2010 @ 16:14 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I won't lie, upgrading from my HD3870 to 4870X2 in the top slot upped my old NB temps by 14C, and moving the X2 to the lower slot gave me 12 of those Celsius back :P
As long as you have a board with proper electrical connection speed to the lower slot (any high-end board in a series, the basic boards like UD3 ones will be an issue) then using the lower slot is fine, even for a dual card like a 4870X2.
Sam,
I think it's the fact that when the card is installed in the top slot, there's almost no air over the northbridge at all, as it's pretty well blocked from most of the airflow over the MB. I'm going to leave the video card where it is. 3Dmark measures the video performance the same, regardless of which slot I install it in, and my GPU temps are 6-7C lower in the bottom slot, as well.
Russ
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22. February 2010 @ 16:16 |
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I'm gonna do that as well russ. If for nothing more than to experiment. I really think I'd get better temperatures as well.
I'm probably gonna end up replacing the Tuniq 120 fan. I don't like the way it behaves. I think a PWM fan may be in order. Perhaps the scythe that Russ recommended. Though I'd like one with slightly higher RPMs. I'll do some shopping tonight ;)
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That depends on how wide the case is, and where the airflow is from the side and the front. If you only have a weak side fan or no side fan, and the only front fan is at the bottom, then this is a big issue (or if you have a very narrow case, and a long graphics card). Having side fans at the top as well as the bottom did wonders for my temperatures with the HAF.
Omega: It's worth remembering that motherboard fan controllers control voltage, not rpm. Typically if your CPU is nice and cool it will be about 7-7.5V, at normal good load temperature, around 10-11V, and 50 celsius plus, it'll be the full 12V. If you have a high speed fan, this means it will almost always be noisy. Since 1600rpm (or 1300rpm with 9 blades) is about the optimal noise/cooling ratio for a 120mm fan tower cooler (anything above is lots of extra noise for 1, maybe 2 degrees off) I recommend 1600rpm fans like the Scythe SFF21F, or 1200rpm Slipstreams, depending on the fin spacing.
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22. February 2010 @ 16:24 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I'm gonna do that as well russ. If for nothing more than to experiment. I really think I'd get better temperatures as well.
I'm probably gonna end up replacing the Tuniq 120 fan. I don't like the way it behaves. I think a PWM fan may be in order. Perhaps the scythe that Russ recommended. Though I'd like one with slightly higher RPMs. I'll do some shopping tonight ;)
Oman7,
I picked the Scythe I linked you for it's CFM performance and low noise. 1200 rpm and almost 53 cfm will cool anything, but I doubt it would ever run that fast to begin with. I envision 700-800 rpm being about the max it will run. I have a 53 cfm Silverstone on the rear of my computer and it's second only to the 800 rpm Kama bay fan in the low noise department. It should be very quiet.
Russ
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22. February 2010 @ 16:26 |
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Off a normal motherboard controller, you will be looking at around 650-700rpm at idle, or if you've got very good cooling and/or a low voltage, perhaps 500. At load, if you get amazing temperatures, perhaps 850-900, normal sort of temperatures 1000-1100, and a bit on the warm side the full 1200.
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22. February 2010 @ 16:27 |
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800rpms sure sounds nicer than what I currently run. Right now, it either hits 200Rmps, or 1600. Rather irritating. 2 speeds! Slow and fast! Nothing in between!
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22. February 2010 @ 16:28 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
That depends on how wide the case is, and where the airflow is from the side and the front. If you only have a weak side fan or no side fan, and the only front fan is at the bottom, then this is a big issue (or if you have a very narrow case, and a long graphics card). Having side fans at the top as well as the bottom did wonders for my temperatures with the HAF.
Omega: It's worth remembering that motherboard fan controllers control voltage, not rpm. Typically if your CPU is nice and cool it will be about 7-7.5V, at normal good load temperature, around 10-11V, and 50 celsius plus, it'll be the full 12V. If you have a high speed fan, this means it will almost always be noisy. Since 1600rpm (or 1300rpm with 9 blades) is about the optimal noise/cooling ratio for a 120mm fan tower cooler (anything above is lots of extra noise for 1, maybe 2 degrees off) I recommend 1600rpm fans like the Scythe SFF21F, or 1200rpm Slipstreams, depending on the fin spacing.
Sam,
I have two levels of airflow, front to rear. One at the bottom for the HDDs, and one right in line with the CPU cooler. Having good airflow in that area makes all the difference in the world to having good temps.
Oh! The fan I linked to Oman7, is PWM. It should work brilliantly! As long as the case airflow is sufficient, I'm still betting on 700 to 800 RPM max doing the trick with the Tuniq 120.
Russ
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