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28. March 2010 @ 00:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Here's my latest results on my overclocking progress.

GigaByte GA490X-UD4P
Athlon IIx4 630 @3.5GHz

I've upped the CPU host Frequency to 250MHz, Set the CPU Voltage up to 1.472v, upped the CPI Northbridge VID to 1.3750v and raised the SouthBridge voltage 0.1v. The Hyper Transport frequency is running at 5000MHz. It still hasn't raised the CPU temp to 50C, although I'm sure it will with DVD re-builder/CCE, or stress testing. So far it's survived an 8GB movie processed with ConvertX and 20 minutes of Orthos. DVDRB/CCE will be the real test!

Processor Math 3.5GHz




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From the look of things, it's running pretty good right now. No temperature issues either! It's still pretty impressive for a $99 CPU!

Russ

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28. March 2010 @ 06:58 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Lower Vdroop on the AMD boards will be, apart from because they're newer boards, because AMD CPUs pull more power, so similar model boards will be equipped with better power regulators. Lastly add that you were all using midrange boards for the Intel CPUs and now, top-end boards for the AMDs, it only makes sense. I get a vdroop of 0.01-0.015V for my i5 CPU, not sure how that stacks up with the AMDs.



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Originally posted by bigwill68:
turned the clock down alittle along with a voltage drop also with 5 pass of LinX no errors, I guess AMD Gigabyte boards don't give that much in VDroops in volts like Intel Gigabyte boards do huh?



Will,
I found a huge mistake in the instructions in the setup for the NB frequency, and the HT link Frequency. It tells you to set the HT link frequency in between the CPU and NB speeds. That is incorrect! The HT link frequency has to be lower than the NB frequency, otherwise it will cause a bottleneck in the data flow, and perhaps even crash the computer. Here's what to do!

Set the NB Frequency multiplier to 12, but set the HT link frequency multiplier to 11. Raise the NB voltage to 1.40v. Raise the CPU NB VID voltage to about 1.350v. Given your overclock, I would probably just set it to the max, 1.40v. Should work like a charm. Your benchmarks won't change at all! Thru-put might be slowed a tiny bit, but Data still flows between the CPU and the NB at the same speed as before. After all you are only losing 207MHz off the HT link speed. Doesn't affect the temps either!

The NB frequency will be 2484MHz, and the HT link frequency will be 2277MHz and the Hyper Transport speed will be 4761MHz, more than fast enough.

Best Regards,
Russ

GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor


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28. March 2010 @ 23:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by theonejrs:


Will,
I found a huge mistake in the instructions in the setup for the NB frequency, and the HT link Frequency. It tells you to set the HT link frequency in between the CPU and NB speeds. That is incorrect! The HT link frequency has to be lower than the NB frequency, otherwise it will cause a bottleneck in the data flow, and perhaps even crash the computer. Here's what to do!

Set the NB Frequency multiplier to 12, but set the HT link frequency multiplier to 11. Raise the NB voltage to 1.40v. Raise the CPU NB VID voltage to about 1.350v. Given your overclock, I would probably just set it to the max, 1.40v. Should work like a charm. Your benchmarks won't change at all! Thru-put might be slowed a tiny bit, but Data still flows between the CPU and the NB at the same speed as before. After all you are only losing 207MHz off the HT link speed. Doesn't affect the temps either!

The NB frequency will be 2484MHz, and the HT link frequency will be 2277MHz and the Hyper Transport speed will be 4761MHz, more than fast enough.

Best Regards,
Russ
Aight Russ made the change everything is running smooth as pie take in account temps kinda high reason cause, I don't have the artic 64 pro yet, I have the factory cooler on the board for now. I dropped the HT link frequency multiplier to 11x and left the NB Frequency multiplier on 12x. I Raised the CPU NB VID voltage to 1.400v cause,I'm running at 3933ghz and that's not My maxs on this board 1.400v is'nt and.I also Raised the NB voltage to 1.40v it was at 1.35v...Thanks




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29. March 2010 @ 09:04 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Afternoon all, sorry to jump in.

To be honest I'm not much in to overclocking as I don't generally have the time to self-build, but I am buying a new PC and due to aforementioned reasons buying it pre-built.

Just wondering if anyone has an comments/experience with the following hardware/general build:

AMD Phenom II X4 820 - 2.8GHz/2MB L2 Cache/4MB L3 Cache

6GB DDR3 1066 MHz RAM

1GB ATI HD5450

Cheers,

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29. March 2010 @ 09:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well you won't be able to play any recent games on that system as the graphics card is too weak, the CPU is not an X4, but an X3, a Tri-core CPU, so not that powerful, and the memory is quite slow, which may not affect performance that much but if the latency is also high, then it will be a performance reduction. I hope you're not paying much for that system.



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Hehe, yeah between posting I did some digging around. I wasn't too pleased about the ram speed either, and had someone else tell me the gfx was mediocre at best.

I'm in the UK, so not on dollars, but current exchange rate I guess the budget is about $700 - suggestions?

Sorry, slightly off-topic I presume, can take this conversation to the PC building thread if needs be.



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29. March 2010 @ 09:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm in the UK too, what's your actual budget in pounds?



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£500 ish. The price of said build ^ is actually a Dell something @ £529. Not wanting/needing something really high spec but obviously reasonable - a self build is looking more likely!


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For that budget, I would probably recommend a self build. Unless there are any cheap XPS systems going around like there were in 2008, for £530 you can build your own PC, and a hell of a lot better than that system there.
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/AMD-Athlo...0MHz-95W-Retail
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Gigabyte-...-s-RAID-ATX-VGA
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-(2x2G...9-9-24-XMP-165V
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/512MB-XFX...P-DL-DVI-I-HDMI
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/400W-Cors...3-year-warranty
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Coolermas...p-Panel-w-o-PSU
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/500-GB-We...6MB-Cache-89-ms
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/LG-GH22NS...-SATA-Black-OEM

This lot should come out to about £500 exactly including delivery. You get an actual quad core CPU, 4GB of decent spec RAM, a reasonably well featured board, a much more potent graphics card, still relatively basic, but in a £500 build you can't do much better, a nicer case, and a more beefy PSU for future upgrade potential.



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Nah the XPS aren't any better price-wise. Thanks a lot for those links - I was currently looking on ebuyer but scan seems to be cheaper. Do you buy from both?

I think I will go with less RAM, more than 4GB seems slightly excessive for my needs at the moment plus I can upgrade later. In terms of gaming, how capable is the graphics card? Not that it is a big deal for me, but obviously a consideration. Presumably 512mb is enough.

Also, I know this is an AMD thread, but personally would you recommend AMD over Intel? In terms of cores and actual realised performance on a day to day basis, would a faster clocking dual core be a better choice, or ideally a quad core for longevity's sake?


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Yeah ebuyer and Scan are the two sites I use most often. The HD5670 is generally considered a low-end card, it can handle any modern title, just about. You would get a great deal more out of upgrading to an HD5750 or better yet HD5770, and it would work fine with the rest of the components, but it would squeeze the budget a bit.

Given your budget, I would actually recommend AMD over Intel. It's not often I say it, but you simply don't get the same deal with Intel stuff at this price range, as you can only get dual core CPUs. Unless you plan to upgrade the system in the not too distant future, I'd say having a Quad core is more futureproof.



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Okay sure - thanks for the advice. Out of interest on the mobo description:

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Memory Speed (Mhz): DDR3 - 1066
DDR3 - 1333
DDR3 - 1800(OC)

But 1600MHz isn't listed?

Just curious, presumably it is compatible though, as I don't see why it shouldnt be if it supports above and below!

I think I will stick with your suggested graphics card spec as like I say gaming isn't a big deal personally - more performance and multi-taking. To that end, this is a superior processor, but is it £70 superior? If not the 2.9Ghz spec, above the one you suggested?

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/AMD-Pheno...che-125W-Retail


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Yes, 1600mhz memory works in such boards, there are some strange official specs pages going around.
The X4 965 is a powerful CPU but in truth, if you're spending that much, you may as well go a little bit further and get an Intel Core i5. I'm never that confident to use relatively inexpensive boards with 125W CPUs, so I'd want to run a higher end board with it, and that means the X4 doesn't come out much cheaper than an i5 system, which is the superior option.



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There's no real reason to buy a 9800GT, the HD5670 is a lot more efficient, no slower, and works out slightly cheaper.
The coolermaster basic PSU and primitive case is also a potential worry. Stick with a proper PSU and Case as I recommended, even if the case is only something like an NZXT Beta, it's still a lot better than the Elite 330.



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Okay sure, thanks again!


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Originally posted by sammorris:
Well you won't be able to play any recent games on that system as the graphics card is too weak, the CPU is not an X4, but an X3, a Tri-core CPU, so not that powerful, and the memory is quite slow, which may not affect performance that much but if the latency is also high, then it will be a performance reduction. I hope you're not paying much for that system.
Sam,
There is a Phenom IIx4 820. It's 2.8GHz, L2 Cache=4x512, L3 cache=6MB. That's the specs AMD gives for it. It's also a black Edition.

Best Regards,
Russ

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I stand corrected. There is obviously an 820, in addition to the 920 I am familiar with. I assumed the 800 series stopped at 810.



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I did wonder but nonetheless I have gone with the i5 - as that's an Intel I best not discuss it too much or risk being shot!

Oh and I chose the HD5670 in the end, I have always preferred ATI anyway on completely unsubstantiated grounds! :)


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Originally posted by Ripper:
I did wonder but nonetheless I have gone with the i5 - as that's an Intel I best not discuss it too much or risk being shot!

Oh and I chose the HD5670 in the end, I have always preferred ATI anyway on completely unsubstantiated grounds! :)
Ripper,
I'm the one who started this thread, and I don't see you as being out of line with the discussion you've been having here, so no one is going to shoot you. I thought everyone handled the whole discussion very professionally and without bias. That you've decided to go with an Intel instead of an AMD, to suit your needs is immaterial. Good luck with your Intel build.

Best Regards,
Russ

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Originally posted by bigwill68:
Originally posted by theonejrs:


Will,
I found a huge mistake in the instructions in the setup for the NB frequency, and the HT link Frequency. It tells you to set the HT link frequency in between the CPU and NB speeds. That is incorrect! The HT link frequency has to be lower than the NB frequency, otherwise it will cause a bottleneck in the data flow, and perhaps even crash the computer. Here's what to do!

Set the NB Frequency multiplier to 12, but set the HT link frequency multiplier to 11. Raise the NB voltage to 1.40v. Raise the CPU NB VID voltage to about 1.350v. Given your overclock, I would probably just set it to the max, 1.40v. Should work like a charm. Your benchmarks won't change at all! Thru-put might be slowed a tiny bit, but Data still flows between the CPU and the NB at the same speed as before. After all you are only losing 207MHz off the HT link speed. Doesn't affect the temps either!

The NB frequency will be 2484MHz, and the HT link frequency will be 2277MHz and the Hyper Transport speed will be 4761MHz, more than fast enough.

Best Regards,
Russ
Aight Russ made the change everything is running smooth as pie take in account temps kinda high reason cause, I don't have the artic 64 pro yet, I have the factory cooler on the board for now. I dropped the HT link frequency multiplier to 11x and left the NB Frequency multiplier on 12x. I Raised the CPU NB VID voltage to 1.400v cause,I'm running at 3933ghz and that's not My maxs on this board 1.400v is'nt and.I also Raised the NB voltage to 1.40v it was at 1.35v...Thanks



Will,
I'm sure you found the benchmarks to be almost identical to before, with the multiplier set to 11x for the HT Link frequency. Drop the NB frequency multiplier to 11 and your memory bandwidth takes a big hit though.

Best Regards,
Russ

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I thought everyone handled the whole discussion very professionally and without bias. That you've decided to go with an Intel instead of an AMD, to suit your needs is immaterial. Good luck with your Intel build.
I think if everyone can offer an unbiased view, then Intel vs AMD discussion is just fine. But we have to keep a mature perspective on it. They're just expensive electronic toys really :P

Sure some bias is going to leak through no matter who it is or what the discussion is. But never forget that everyone picked their favorite brand for a reason, even if you don't understand that reason :)
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LOL! It may run smooth on XP, but 7/vista is slightly finicky about overclocking. If you're smooth on vista/7, then you KNOW you have a good overclock LOL! But mine would probably be smooth as well. From what I've read, 4.0Ghz is a cake walk on these processors :D It's when you shoot for 4.1+ that they become somewhat challenging ;)

Thanks for that estuansis. I will look at intel users differently now. You just empowered me with empathy LOL! That's no joke. I meant that...

While every intel I've ever witnessed was less than usable, that doesn't mean that every intel is worthless ;) I'm just unlucky like that. I think AMD chose me...



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Originally posted by Estuansis:
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I thought everyone handled the whole discussion very professionally and without bias. That you've decided to go with an Intel instead of an AMD, to suit your needs is immaterial. Good luck with your Intel build.
I think if everyone can offer an unbiased view, then Intel vs AMD discussion is just fine. But we have to keep a mature perspective on it. They're just expensive electronic toys really :P

Sure some bias is going to leak through no matter who it is or what the discussion is. But never forget that everyone picked their favorite brand for a reason, even if you don't understand that reason :)
Estuansis,
Let's be honest here. No one has experience with everything. Not even Computer repair people. Everybody has their favorites, but this discussion was a good one. nobody pushed too hard, and it stayed simple. My hat's off to all that participated in it. We all helped someone accomplish something to help them in their quest to build a new computer, and he made his own decision based on the information we gave him. No one pushed hard in either direction.

Best Regards,
Russ

GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor


 
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