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14. November 2008 @ 05:22 |
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LOL
Amazing how a simple comment can lead to such an in-depth discussion.
Forums rock!! ;)
BTW, what factors affect your ping if two people are in the same city???
Because a friend of mine has a normal 1MBPS ADLS connections and has a higher ping (he has less lag) than my other friend who has a 1MBPS WiMax connection (which works using wireless signals)
I wonder why???
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14. November 2008 @ 09:29 |
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They don't, it is solely torrents they limit, it's not done on a per-machine basis, it's done on a data-type basis.
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jbmcgee
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14. November 2008 @ 12:17 |
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I got the asus eah3450 hdmi graphics card to use as a secondary card in my desktop to run only to my tv and not the monitor. When I install the card and restart the computer, the monitor wont work correctly, it has power and everything but no picture except the monitor test screens. Does it have to do with the clip on the end of the pci express strip?
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14. November 2008 @ 12:20 |
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You need to set which graphics adaptor your PC sends the picture to in the BIOS.
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jbmcgee
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14. November 2008 @ 12:25 |
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Another issue too: when I run the installation program, it comes up with: the video capture device has not passed windows logo testing to verify its compatibility with windows xp. It says on the box that it is compatible but just wanted to check with you guys before proceeding. Thanks for the help.
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14. November 2008 @ 12:41 |
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Ray: other way round, the higher your ping is, the less lag you have. ping isn't really much to do with speed, it is dependent on how far you are from the server you're connecting to, how many connections have to be made in between, how responsive your ISPs servers are, and how responsive the website (or gameserver) you're connecting to is.
jb: That's fine, lots of drivers give that warning, nothing to be concerned about.
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14. November 2008 @ 13:18 |
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Thanks for that sam, so higher ping=better gaming
Also, I just tried CoD4 Multiplayer on Lan and it was wicked fun, wish I had DSL right about now :(
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14. November 2008 @ 13:24 |
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No, higher ping = worse gaming.
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14. November 2008 @ 13:28 |
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I thought a lower ping meant better gaming. When I'm lagging out, my ping is like 400. But when I'm running smoothly, my ping is like 67, which is most of the time. Isn't your ping the latency between your actions on the keyboard and on the server?
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14. November 2008 @ 13:32 |
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I think he meant lower the ping the better the connection. Your bandwidth or download speed is 'how thick your pipes are' while ping is how quickly the data in the pipes flow. Ping is measured in milliseconds so a ping of 250 is 1/4 of a second which is alright, <100 is ideal. If you think of it like plumbing you can still be getting a large amount of water (kb/s) if the water is moving very slowly through the pipes (high ping) if the diameter of the pipe is two feet wide. So it's fine for downloading files, but with games where there is a lot of back/forth data transfer ping is more important.
For the DSL stuff I'm on a 6mb/1mb line where I realistically get more like 5mb downloads (650k/s). If I have my torrents running it bogs the network down to the point where people on other machines can barely use an internet browser so I can only run utorrent when I'm the only one of the system. I'm going through Telus which at the moment does not throttle torrents, but even if they did I'm running with encryption anyways so it can't be that. The other odd part is that for the vast majority my d/l speed is brutal for my connection. I usually get around 60k/s, lucky to get 100k/s even with a ratio >1. The odd times with a torrent that has a ton of seeders and no leachers I might get 250k/s but nowhere close to my actual bandwidth. And the oddest part of it all, is that even if I'm only getting 40k/s d/l from my torrents, my whole network still goes to the crapper.
I'm running Vista 64-bit ultimate, using a DLink DIR-655. I've tried messing with the router, with vista, with torrent clients, and half-open TCP ports. I still can't get it to function like it should, but if I could get the other people in the house on a 2nd connection that would at least not make my problem theirs.
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jbmcgee
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14. November 2008 @ 13:37 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
You need to set which graphics adaptor your PC sends the picture to in the BIOS.
Thanks for the help, but Im not sure how to do this, I should do this before actually installing the card right? I dont think it will let me go to the bios screen when I do put it in the pci express. Thanks again.
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14. November 2008 @ 14:31 |
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Originally posted by jbmcgee:
Originally posted by sammorris:
You need to set which graphics adaptor your PC sends the picture to in the BIOS.
Thanks for the help, but Im not sure how to do this, I should do this before actually installing the card right? I dont think it will let me go to the bios screen when I do put it in the pci express. Thanks again.
If I'm reading this right you can't get into the BIOS through either display? What is your PSU wattage?
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14. November 2008 @ 14:54 |
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Yeah, even if you don't have drivers installed, you should still be getting an image on your PCI-E card.
I also say check your PSU, and make sure you have the card fully in the slot.
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I think he meant lower the ping the better the connection. Your bandwidth or download speed is 'how thick your pipes are' while ping is how quickly the data in the pipes flow. Ping is measured in milliseconds so a ping of 250 is 1/4 of a second which is alright, <100 is ideal.
Exactly. That's why this 768k connection isn't so terrible. It's serviceable for downloads and perfect for online games. A 5Mb connection would be nice right about now though. My friend has my copy of Mass Effect and I wanna download and re-install it :P
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14. November 2008 @ 19:27 |
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Hey guys - I'm back!!!! (Like Freddy lol)
I just went through a week of techie hell - modded out my case to put top vent fan - it is VERY hard to cut out a hole in a steel case. There must be an easier way to do it lol.
Finally got 3dmark6 working again, came up with the amazingly brilliant idea of ...... downloading it again. Duhhh! That worked. Once loaded it accepted my old registration code. My new 3dmark6 is about 4820 - my old one was 2270. So my p4 rig is faster, but .... still is a little laggy if I try to max the airborne demo at 1600x1200. If I drop to 1280x1024, and accept medium textures and models, then it is acceptable at about 35fps average. Speaking of demos, I see you guys are all playing the L4D demo - cool!! - estuansis' new fav! Originally posted by proud rich:
for the 100th time, in case ANYBODY forgot, my family guy Miles did all the animation
Guys, FINALLY, I'm convinced. I read everybody's comments, and although I will say this - I don't catch on fast - I HAVE FINALLY CAUGHT ON!!!Quote:
Estuansis: You're using 04/05 tech in 2008, going into 2009. The Pentium 4 is so slow by today's standards it's not even funny. They barely play the newest games if at all......... Sam: Without wishing to sound rude, there's a certain air of 'we told you so' about all this. I still stand by the rest of your architecture being a major holdback even for the HD3850, which even in fully fledged 512MB PCI express form, is still only a fifth as powerful as an HD4870X2.
I'm going to let Ray have the honors of being the only one left with a p4! Hahahahaha!
(Ray do you want to buy my 3850 - you can have it for $75, but you pay for shipping - how much is shipping to SA - about $100??? hahaha By the way, do you want my p4 3.2 in the same box? What do you have now? I'm looking at your sig:) Originally posted by Ray's sig:
(+[_]%) 1: 2.60 > 2.80 > 2.81 >3.03 > 1.50 > 3.52M33 > 3.52M33-4 > 3.90M33 > 3.90M33-3 > 4.01M33 > 4.01M33-2 > 5.00M33 > 5.00M33-3 ..... WTF? What does all of that mean?? Lol
So, after yo-yoing around about this, I am now reversing directions again! I installed the corsair 450 with 33 amps on 12 volt rail after some gentle prodding from Sam: "What are you, some kind of f**ing idiot!"
Good!
I bought the 3850 agp = Good! ... well actually Bad! ... not for pci-e.
Then I started reading about overclocking the p4, my next project, and when you change the fsb bus clock, it affects the sata controller unless your board allows you to set that independently (not my ms-7103 - I can't even find the sata controller in the bios - I was lucky the last bios flash at least finds the sata drive) and on some forums the guy lost his sata hard drive, so I took out the new sata, and put in a 160gig ide and cloned my 80gig to that one. Then I made plans to buy a $50 zalman cooler for the p4 - you have to remove the motherboard to install the cooler backplate - and $70 worth of memory.
Then this morning I saw the 4850 newegg special for $129 and I said Originally posted by rich the "f**ing idiot":
Stop the madness! Estuansis is right! Sam is right! Shaff is right! Boozer is drunk! Sell the 3850 on ebay for $100 ($30 loss with shipping and commission to ebay), and add the $130 you were about to pay for the memory and cooler, that's $230, and pick up a new board, new mobo, new cpu, and maybe that same Zalman cooler!
Boozer has a new look - one of those wild candid shots again! Why not. Hey booze, I have a question for you - I can get your old card, the asus 512mb 4850 from newegg for $129 - a special - free shipping. Should I do that, or get the 4870? Those are still running, what, like $300? Oh My God - correction: Asus 512 4870 $219 after rebate!!! So Boozer, Sam, Estuansis, Shaff - for the extra $100 is it worth it to get the 4870 - same memory, more processor units and shaders as I recall - a fair amount faster right?
I have finally decided to not get the 4870x2, mostly because I am sold now on getting Sam's monitor for the new build. Next Fall, the new build will include a quad core and the brand new 5870x6 which will drive that b**tch crysis to its knees!
YEAH YOU HEARD ME 5870x6 !!
FINALLY A CRYSIS-RAPING GRAPHICS SOLUTION COMING NEXT YEAR!!! Run Crysis on Sam's monitor at 2560x1600 ultra high everything maxed, in glorious color, and all currently known graphics effects!!! Time to start thinking about OC'ing the quad - the cpu is going to go back to being the bottleneck!!
Here's the scoop. Check it out guys. Sam correct me if I mess up: 4870 = 1 teraflop, 5870 = 1.5 teraflop. Right now we have 2 teraflops per 4870x2, which is HUGE. However Crysis is HUGER. Today's technology is not powerful enough to dominate Crysis at 2560x1600 - yeah for 1920x1200 the 4870x2 is playable fully maxed as proven by estuansis and sam. The new 5870 will be, like 1.3 billion transistors versus today's 965 million or so, smaller die - I think it was 45nm, less heat hopefully, and size-wise, form factor is narrower, and also thinner. One article speculated that you could put two on top of each other, and then, in terms of horizontal placement, because of the smaller width, you could fit three of those sets where now you can only put two 4870s, so three sets of stacked 5870 processors = 6 gpus on one board = 9 teraflops per board (cooled with liquid nitrogen lol)
-Rich
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jbmcgee
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14. November 2008 @ 19:29 |
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Originally posted by Shamb1es:
Originally posted by jbmcgee:
Originally posted by sammorris:
You need to set which graphics adaptor your PC sends the picture to in the BIOS.
Thanks for the help, but Im not sure how to do this, I should do this before actually installing the card right? I dont think it will let me go to the bios screen when I do put it in the pci express. Thanks again.
If I'm reading this right you can't get into the BIOS through either display? What is your PSU wattage?
You'll have to forgive the ignorance, but how do I calculate the psu wattage?
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harvrdguy
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14. November 2008 @ 19:53 |
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Hey dude,
There is a great calculator called PSU calculator. Just google it. Oh, I checked, here's the link: PSU calculator It is free, and allows you to enter all of your devices. It is fairly accurate. If you pay about $2 or $3 it will give you amps on the 12 volt rail, but the free version gives you all the watts. Sam forever was trying to pursuade me to get a new psu, even though I had one that was rated 500 watts - but only 20 amps on 12 volt rail like many of the new ones. So I paid the $3 and it was going to be VERY marginal, especially if you factor in something called capacitor aging which means you lose 15% or so of your PSU output after a few years.
-rich
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14. November 2008 @ 20:15 |
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14. November 2008 @ 20:40 |
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If you open up the side of your case it should be on the label right on the PSU.
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14. November 2008 @ 20:56 |
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but Crysis doesn't support any more than 2 GPUs, so in order to max it, we will be waiting at least another two generations, so more like a 6870X2, if such a thing ever exists.
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harvrdguy
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15. November 2008 @ 02:19 |
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Sure Sam, just go ahead and rain on my parade like that!!
What do you mean Crysis doesn't support .... Can't the good folks at ATI fudge it - you mean we have to have Crytek's cooperation on this thing!!!!
I want to rape and pillage and plunder. Two more generations!!@#$
Sigh.
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15. November 2008 @ 05:10 |
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Crysis has been out for over a year, but Crossfire X3 or X4 only give the same performance as an X2. The reason being is that Crysis is an nvidia funded game. On the plus side triple SLI will work, so if you buy a Core i7 system you may as well buy nvidia cards, as i7's biggest benefit is being able to use SLI without needing a horrible SLI motherboard. However, you will lose some of the image quality ATI offer, so take your pick. Fortunately, the original Crysis runs pretty well already on a 4870X2, for the first half of the game at least I can run it all Very High with 4xAA applied, at 1920x1200. Warhead however, is far more demanding, I can just about get away with playing at at 1680x1050 with no AA, for it to be properly playable, it needs to be 1440x900.
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15. November 2008 @ 05:26 |
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gonna say this again, but where is the proof that ATI has better IQ than nvidia with the new GTX2x0 series?
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harvrdguy
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15. November 2008 @ 10:20 |
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Nah I'm too sold on ATI graphics quality to think about nvidia cards - I'll just fall back on hacked crysis fixes - I guess I see their point - if somebody funds your game...... So, I won't pick up crysis for a year or two - like you say, generation 6870x2, with 2.3 teraflops per gpu, about twice as powerful as today's 4870x2.
Here's my new take on the first specs of my New Build-Low cost, coming in at about $720 minus about 120 worth of rebates:
-Rich
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jbmcgee
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15. November 2008 @ 13:21 |
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Me again, I'm about fed up with dealing with this card. I calculated the wattage and for everything I have running equals exactly what my computer has to offer=300. I contacted asus tech support and they said I have to have power going into the card but I see no place any cable could be plugged in on the card. Is there anything I can change in the bios screen pre-installation of the card, so that the card wont effect the monitor, because I have no picture at all after installation. Obviously, this is my first time installing a card, all I want to do is to hook up the pc to my television. Thanks everyone for the help.
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15. November 2008 @ 13:34 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
Originally posted by Ray's sig:
(+[_]%) 1: 2.60 > 2.80 > 2.81 >3.03 > 1.50 > 3.52M33 > 3.52M33-4 > 3.90M33 > 3.90M33-3 > 4.01M33 > 4.01M33-2 > 5.00M33 > 5.00M33-3 ..... WTF? What does all of that mean?? Lol
That would be a list of all the firmwares I have installed om my PSP[that I remember] - PSP = (+[_]%) [A bit of ASCII art ;)
And for the record, I don't use P4, that is my brother's rig now ;)
I use a dual core laptop :P
Read the LAPTOP part of my sig
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