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8. September 2007 @ 19:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@nighters
looks like the theonejrs...convinced you...good choice on the board...btw...Make sure you take theonsjrs up on his offer...he will help you get the most out of that CPU...

Basically the 6750 is the CPU that gives you the best bang for your buck right now...a solid Overclocker...should easily get you to your goal of 3ghz..:)

Whats your budget on the rest of the components?..there are a lot of good deals...right now...


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8. September 2007 @ 19:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Heh, well if a E6300 can get you up to 3 Ghz, a 6750 most certainly can! BTW I see lots of good deals for Crucial Ballistix Tracer RAM these days. You should consider it, it's very good RAM.
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8. September 2007 @ 20:13 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
thanks so much for the help.

As far as the power supply - I'm not sure what to budget for. I was thinking that it wouldn't cost me too much as the last one I replaced in a system only cost $15. However after looking through what's available and seeing what they cost...wow lol. I like the modular cables but it seems they're only available on the more costly supplies. I thought I had a mushkin picked out but not sure if it is compatible with the mobo - mobo specs say 24 pin power and the psu specs say 20+4pin.

ram:
If I go crucial - their recommended ram is going to be about $90 for 2gig, but i was hoping to maybe get a better deal on a different brand, and maybe push to 4gig. I've always bought crucial because I wasted $100 buying stuff from best buy once awhile ago, but maybe today there is better options.

video:
want try nvidia as everything I own at the moment is ATI - don't need a whole lot here, just enough to run World of Warcraft and whatever it takes to run bioshock (since my new cpu will meet sys reqs on that game)

storage:
at least 100gb to start

card reader/floppy:
haven't even looked yet- mainly need an SD card reader and don't want the clutter i currently have. not sure if i'll need floppy or not.

thinking it might be best to keep it as close to $300 as possible - i have some flex if it needs it though.
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I was gonna recommend the 8800 GTS, but then I say the 300 limit lol. Is that limit for all those components? I don't think you have too much room to work with. The PSU will be costing you a hundred at least, so will the RAM. Considering your budget I would probably go with a 7600 GT for a vid card and a nice mid range HDD. It would be stretching your budget bu you could get it done. My 7600 GT runs Bioshock at 30-35 FPS.
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8. September 2007 @ 20:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
well that's what the flex is good for. i'll just take it one step at a time, that way it won't seem like so much - until the credit card bill arrives lol.

any more good suggestion for psu & ram?
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8. September 2007 @ 20:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
if you hadn't ordered a case I would have recommended a Ultra GRID case with a 700 Watt PSU. I know pack in PSUs are crap but this one is very good(I use it :]). Just a word of advice, it might be very tempting to skimp on the PSU, but please don't do it. It will blow it self to hell while taking your PC and maybe your house with it.
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8. September 2007 @ 21:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@nighters
I would budget more then $15 on P/S..:) you can destroy your beautiful new parts trying to do something like that...

The 20+4 is the same as 24...4 pins are detachable to work with 20 pin boards...

You do not need 4Gb of ram unless your running planning on running a 64 bit O/S...The last 1Gb will be useless...

I am hearing of people having problems with Bioshock...unless they are running a top tier card...which would make it hard to hit your $300 mark...

Where are you located?..It will help on finding best priceing with tax and shipping...

@abuzar1
I was joking about the 3ghz...I'm sure theonejrs will have him flying right by that..:p


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8. September 2007 @ 21:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
nighters,
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I thought I had a mushkin picked out but not sure if it is compatible with the mobo - mobo specs say 24 pin power and the psu specs say 20+4pin.

It is 24 pin. It's just made to be able to remove 4 for 20 pin motherboards
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If I go crucial - their recommended ram is going to be about $90 for 2gig, but i was hoping to maybe get a better deal on a different brand, and maybe push to 4gig. I've always bought crucial because I wasted $100 buying stuff from best buy once awhile ago, but maybe today there is better options.

Here's a good deal on cas 4 PC6400 Corsair XMS! $64 after MIR. If you want 4GB, have a friend get another pair for you. Much less expensive than 2x2GB as it would only be $128 for 4x1 of high quality memory. Windows will only show 3GB!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
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want try nvidia as everything I own at the moment is ATI - don't need a whole lot here, just enough to run World of Warcraft and whatever it takes to run bioshock (since my new cpu will meet sys reqs on that game)

Here's a good price on the mid to high end 7600GT. 590MHz clock, 1600MHz memory. $89 with MIR. I have a little lower end model (570 clock/1450 memory) and overclocked it to 650/1600 with no problems. Probably the best bang for the buck on a budget! Tough to beat at that price! No external PCIe power plug needed, either!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150182

As far as a Floppy goes, I prefer to have one even though I don't use it very often. They are cheap to buy anyway. I even took the front plastic pieces off and painted them Silver to match my case (Dupli-Color #8800910). Looks nice, all Silver drives!


The shading was caused by the flash! Looks very nice by normal room light

Don't know a thing about card readers. Maybe someone here can recommend something in that area!

Best Regards,
theone :>)

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My printer has one, works just fine.
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8. September 2007 @ 21:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
very good recommendations on ram and video card. here's a couple recommendations for modular p/s:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139002

Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435
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8. September 2007 @ 22:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@nighters
Here is my suggestion...I really suggest this P/S...especially if you want to OC...49amps on single 12v rail...don't fall for the multi rail hype...

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 EPS12V EPS12V 610W $149 FREE SHIPPING
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005

If you can afford the "Flex"...or as I call it "Wiggle Room"...This should help on the OC...
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) $129 after a $25 Rebate...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148069

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $69 FREE SHIPPING
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148262

Rosewill RCR-102 52-in-1 USB 2.0 Black Card Reader - Retail $10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820223073

EVGA 256-P2-N615-TX GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $75 after a $15 Rebate...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062

I like theonejrs card better...but this might help you get closer to your budget...

$363 after $40 in rebates...Without tax and shipping...
This will give you one screaming system...


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8. September 2007 @ 22:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Lp531,
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Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) $129 after a $25 Rebate...

I was considering nighter's budget and it is for 4MB. DDR2/800 should be fine, and it overclocks well!
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EVGA 256-P2-N615-TX GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $75 after a $15 Rebate...

I'm a bit of an XFX fanboy, and the XFX is considerably faster in memory speed. That's why I passed on recommending the EVGA!

Best Regards,
theone :>)


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8. September 2007 @ 23:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@theonejrs
Man...Another..."Best Regards"...LOL..:p

I like your choice of memory...The PC 8500 just has more head room...If he can afford it...that is why I stated if he had the "Wiggle Room"...

I just don't see the point in 4GB...It is just a waste of money if he is not going to use a 64 bit OS...The last GB will be a complete waste...He is better of with the 2GB of PC 8500...

I absolutely like your card choice better...I have the Exact same card...

The EVGA card will...however...suit his purpose with quite a bit of saving on the initial price...with out a significant performance decrease...

I was just giving him options...and a way to afford the P/S that I suggested...I want to keep him away from a $15 P/S and all the problems that could entail...


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8. September 2007 @ 23:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Lp531,
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I want to keep him away from a $15 P/S and all the problems that could entail...

Make that "Would"! LOL!! I think most of us have had at least one "Cheap" PS experience! If the PSU is the heart of the computer, that makes the PS it's lungs! LOL!!

Best Regards,
theone :>)


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Make that "Would"! LOL!! I think most of us have had at least one "Cheap" PS experience! If the PSU is the heart of the computer, that makes the PS it's lungs! LOL!!
I hope you meant CPU...Could somebody check theonejrs Meds...LOL...

All I am saying on the P/S subject is "A-Open and Raidmax"...

Anyone got the weenies...because I got the Flame..:)

or how bout...

Chestnuts roasting on an A-Open Fire...ROFL..:p

Man...and another "Best Regards"...
Your killing me...jr...Your Killing me..:)


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9. September 2007 @ 01:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
My monitor has a card reader so unable to advise on that one. You can try one of the Mitsumi combo units that has a floppy drive and card reader in one slot:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16821104104



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Lp531,
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I hope you meant CPU...Could somebody check theonejrs Meds...LOL...

It's these damn dyslexic fingers! LOL!! Yes I meant CPU! ROFLMAO!!
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All I am saying on the P/S subject is "A-Open and Raidmax"...


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Chestnuts roasting on an A-Open Fire...ROFL..:p

Then again, you could say "the Eagle frys"! LOL!

I won't kill you this time! LOL!!

Clock On,
theone :>


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I see, so A-Open not to be recommended for PSUs then?



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9. September 2007 @ 04:23 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
you guys rock - thanks so much for all the help. get home from work and find all this stuff picked out to look at.

Here's what I've come up with.

VGA EVGA 7600GT 256-P2-N615-TX R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$89.99)
FDD MITSUMI|FA404M BK U2.0 INT % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$18.99)
PSU CORSAIR|CMPSU-520HX RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$129.99)
MEM 1Gx2|COR 240P TWIN2X2048-6400C4 - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$104.00)
HD 250G|ST 7K 16M SATA2 ST3250410AS - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$69.99)
DISCOUNT FOR PREFERRED ACCOUNT (Qty=1, Price=$-2.99)

Extended Warranty Fee: $0
Subtotal: $409.97
TAX: $0
Shipping and Handling Charge**: $10.82
Rush Order Fee:$2.99
Total: $420.79


there's $65 in MIR to collect on so that helps.
including previous order and order that included case (36.99 + shipping) the grand total is $751.89

now the men in brown better be nice to my stuff so I can put it all together when it arrives =D

edit: DOH! forgot optical drives lmao

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sammorris,
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I see, so A-Open not to be recommended for PSUs then?

Not unless you are planing a barbecue! LOL!! That's the one that almost burned down the house I used to live in! If I hadn't been home it would have been a bad thing! I have to say that In spite of the flames, sparks and smoke that was pouring out the back of the computer, it was still on! ROFLMAO!! Had to pull the plug to shut it down!

Clock On,
theone :>)


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9. September 2007 @ 06:47 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by nighters:

edit: DOH! forgot optical drives lmao
I can help you with that. Any particular brands you are looking at?? You want to use SATA right??

Lite-on LH-20A1S
$38.39 delivered ZZF (you can get un-official f/w too!! Makes the drive better IMHO.)

Samsung SH-203B $38.99 delivered ZZF

LG GSA-H62K
$37.49 delivered ZZF (little more difficult drive but produces GOOD burns)

I "picked" ZZF because they were a few cents cheaper than Newegg delivered. :)

I think the Lite-on's are "easy" drives right now because they have so many features and will book-type right out of the box. AFAIK of the 3 that I picked they are the only ones with an update in f/w available. :)

Take a look and see what you think. :)

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nighters,
This is what I use for DVD burners in all my builds and personally, I consider them bulletproof! I've used the Sata as well but I see no difference in performance between it and the IDE. I have both of mine installed with a round cable. About $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827152075

This is what I use for a DVD-Rom drive. Again, I use them in all ny builds with no problems and I consider these bulletproof as well! Comes in Sata as well! About $19.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135097

Best Regards,
Russ


GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor


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Up until Starforce got its way, my NEC ND-4570 has been quite good. The only burners I'd refuse to buy are the ones a lot of people swear by, the Benqs. The build quality would have to have improved a LONG way since 2002 for them to be considered 'good'



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I bought a Benq burner in 2005 and it crapped out within two months. I didn't handle it badly either, but it stopped reading CDs and burning them.
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sammorris,
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The only burners I'd refuse to buy are the ones a lot of people swear by, the Benqs. The build quality would have to have improved a LONG way since 2002 for them to be considered 'good'

The problem with Benq drives is they are like buying a lottery ticket. You pays your money and takes your chances. If you get a good one fine but don't count on it! LOL!!

Clock On,
Russ


GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor


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