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14. March 2007 @ 11:38 |
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ademgs,
What memory do you have? Brand, model, and amount.
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14. March 2007 @ 11:44 |
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theone, I meant the whole case, not just the 200mm fan. At 600rpm it is quiet, but nowhere near silent, at 400rpm it's near silent, and still pushes decent air, i think its an excellent fan. The great thing about the case is that you have the option for near-silence, or for outrageous airflow, the range is that good. This is primarily because the fan speed switches on the 120mm fans go from 5-12V, and therefore 800 to 2000rpm. 36dB at full speed, so pretty loud, but 20dB at minimum, which is fantastic, considering my expensive Nexus fans put out only 20% more air, and are 22dB. The Noctuas still sit on top though.
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14. March 2007 @ 12:28 |
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ademgs,
You're probably going to need to set the vcore voltage up to or near 1.4 but I need to know what memory you're using to make sure it is configured correctly in your bios. Memory settings can cause failure to boot and stability problems.
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14. March 2007 @ 12:30 |
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ademgs
For a start setting the v core to auto is a no no, you shouldn't be scared to add a bit of voltage to it, if you keep it that low it will cut out.
Take the cpu voltage up to about 1.45, just make sure the temps don't go too high.
If you're going to OC the cpu then you need to address certain things in the BIOS.
Firstly by default the bios will be set to manage the cpu speed and temp, so turn everything off in the cpu settings except ratio adjustment and microcode update.
What BIOS do you have on the board, as certain versions require different settings?
Have you also adjusted the fsb and vmch voltages, if you start cranking up the fsb then you'll also need more voltage on there as well.
Saying all that, you may well just be at the limit of the board.
It depends on what version you have, if it's ver1 then you'll be limited to 1.65v on the vmch, if it a ver 2 then I think it goes up to 1.75 or 1.85v, which should give extra room to go up over 420.
The best I've seen on the E6300/P5WDH combo is 3Ghz so you're not going to get much more.
You've already taken the FSB up to 419, so you've got past the main hurdle, you'll need to drop the multiplier on the cpu and see what fsb you can get out of the board, rather than just seeing what CPU speed you can get.
At the moment, you are already running the fsb at 600 over the rated speed, with no additional voltage listed here.
The memory will likely be running at 838, unless you're using a multiplier, have you increased that voltage as well, and what timings have you set on it?
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14. March 2007 @ 14:50 |
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mort the ram i have is not very good it is hyundai pc2-4300 1gb
it is only on a single stick i bought 2 corsair ram a while ago but it arrived broken so i had to send it back
what settings should i have it on in the bios
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14. March 2007 @ 16:49 |
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RE: ademgs,
The E6300 is by far one of the better OCr due to its smaller L2 overhead. And If you get the newer revision wich is supposed to be on a dedicated 2mb L2 (oppesed to the earlier 4mb w/ 2mb locked out) then should be able to really get a 100% OC on some of these. You will need top end air cooling or good water to get it stable at 3.1GHz. So Auto vcore wont cut here, will need well over 1.45+
The P5W-DH is one of the better ASUS mobos for this kind of OC. The P5B should be able to do it too.
For over x532FSB on the P5W you really should be using an EAXT +12v (8 pin Xeon type) and 550W+ PSU and dual to quad 12v rails to keep stabe under load. Good luck!
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14. March 2007 @ 17:01 |
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i have an eatx 400w psu
i think my cooling is ok for air i have it clocked at 2.8 and the temps idle are arround 24cpu and 27mb. under load the mobo temp goes up by about 2-3c and the cpu about 5c is that ok
i have a scythe infinity running at 1500rpm and 3 vantec tornados as well as 2 extra blue led fans
i raised the vcore but it just became unstable and either crashed or would not open what do you recomend i should do?
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14. March 2007 @ 17:03 |
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Sam,
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theone, I meant the whole case, not just the 200mm fan. At 600rpm it is quiet, but nowhere near silent, at 400rpm it's near silent, and still pushes decent air, i think its an excellent fan
I was talking about the 250mm fans in the Xclio Case. Even at 800RPM (Max) it's very quiet. According to the reviews I've read, it's a great case to put a Prescott/Presler in! I think I would opt for one of the more silent power supplies given how much airflow there is at 600RPM. It's still gonna shove a lot of air through the computer and even the PS! I will eventually buy the Xclio case! Like I say it's looks and function grow on you!
Happy Computering,
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ademgs
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14. March 2007 @ 18:21 |
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bigdk
appart from the fan settings i havnt changed any other voltages i have left everything as it was just raised the clock speed to 410x7 at the moment
i did have the voltage up but it was unstable thats the problem im having and i relly dont no much about overclocking. how do i go about dropping the multiplier on the cpu and raising the boards fsb
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14. March 2007 @ 19:53 |
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bigdk
i been lookin at the VMCH
set at 1.50v i could reach 407x7 then the mobo would fail
at 1.55v i got a max of 424x7
at 1.60v i reaced 435x7 but it seemed a bit unstable to me, i dont know if thats coz the mobo culdnt take it or if its coz my ram is very crap its only a single hyundai pc2-4300
i didnt attemp 1.65 on the vmch but do you think the problem was with the ram or the mobo coz if it is the ram i will get something a lot better if not then i might not bother
btw even though the mobo would pass at around 429 windows would be unstable and crash, what are your thoughts on it.
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15. March 2007 @ 00:58 |
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Well you've already seen the difference in voltage made to the vmch.
You just need to keep an eye on the mobo temp, you could try a fan on the nb heatsink.
The memory isn't going to help, you must already be using a divider on it, or OCing it to DDR860 from 533, if thats the case then its very good OC memory.
If you are using a divider then that will add to instability.
The highest stability OCs I've seen on the P5WDH is 485 fsb.
You need to list the bios version, and list all the settings you have in the bios.(cpu, chipset etc...)
What exactly do you want to get out of the CPU, you've already got a good OC what figure do you think you should be getting?
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15. March 2007 @ 06:38 |
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i was hoping to get a stable oc past 3.0 do you think that is unlikely?
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15. March 2007 @ 10:01 |
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Unlikely yes, but you're not that far off, so you may well be able to push it.
If you find your getting stuck at 410-420 then you're better off using 400x7 and taking the rest up with clock-gen or asus tool via desktop. otherwise you'll be using the 1333 strap on the fsb without enough gain in clock speed to negate it.
If you want to test your fsb max speed, you need to remove the cpu from the equation, you do that by changing the default multiplier from 7 to 5 or even lower, I don't know what the min multiplier is on the E6300.
I don't like using memory divders, but its best to use one that keep the memory well within its safe limits, not OC'd
This guide is what I followed to get my P5WDH ready to OC, it may seem a pain to do, but is worth it, it gets much lower temps, and that enables far better stability. Mort81 just did his recently and saw a big difference, all I can say is if you really want to get everything out of the board its the way to go.
I've done this to my DQ6 as well, pic showing just how sh*t the factory paste job was were posted earlier on (in this thread I think).
I've also done this to about 10 other boards either on request or as part of the standard build as well, I now do it as standard, as its satisfying to do, and does help.
I've also changed the P5WDH standard cooler on which I had stuck a 4cm fan, to this thermalright cooler with an additional 6 cm fan.
You need to get those voltages up to push it, and you need to get rid of the heat, as it's current supply you're after.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106563
I also did the v mod as well so I can push my voltage up over 1.65, its more important on this board than some others, as the P5WDH has bad v-droop compared to other boards.
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15. March 2007 @ 11:26 |
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ademgs,
I don't know what version bios you have but in order to be able to lower the multiplier, you may need to update the bios. I don't know if the multiplier adjustment feature came with 1704 update or 1901 update since I went straight from 1305 (which doesn't offer this feature) to 1901.
Just to comment on what BigDK said about modding the chipsets, after reseating my chipset heatsinks with artic silver 5 and installing 40mm fans on both of them my mobo temp went from 46-47C to 31-32C. Major improvement. I was thoroughly impressed. Thanks again BigDK.
If anybody can get you to 3.0+ghz, BigDK is the man. I haven't had to up my chipset voltage to obtain 3.4ghz but when and if I strive for 3.6ghz, I will probably have to.
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15. March 2007 @ 11:34 |
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Cheers Mort
You're lucky with the voltage, both my cpu and board are voltage hungry.
I'm back running my P5WDH as the main board again now, as my DQ6 has gone back RMA'd.
It will be either sold when returned or confined to the kids PC.
I just wish the P5WDH didn't have the crappy ez raid feature, and used the 4th port on the intel chipset for a single drive instead of 2.
If I get a new board on the DQ6 return, then I may go for the Commando and use a couple of IDE to SATA converters so I can still use my Plextor and my Kreon firmware DVD Rom
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15. March 2007 @ 15:26 |
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Originally posted by ademgs:
i was hoping to get a stable oc past 3.0 do you think that is unlikely?
Yes, but how stable will depend on you OS and other components, especially PSU. My testing with the E6300 were on a P5B Wi-Fi, BIOS 0507, Zalman CNPS9500Led and SilverStone 600W quad 12v w/ EATX +12v and OCZ Platinum DDR800 OCd to DDR1000 (swopped for DDR100 OCd to 1100). Day 1 break in was 370x7 = 2.59GHz @ 1.350v, 1;1 DDR870. Next it took to 425x7 = 2.95GHz, then 525x7 = 3.6 (hot & not too stable, the P5B got hot). This BIOS 0507 unlocks it to x6 for a high 532x6 = 3.19GHz @ 1:1 DDR1066 (100% FSB). Now for me it ran in the red a lot under DVD renduring and 49c= under average work. I no longer have it to test, but I'd bet it could be more stable with water cooling or at least the CNPS9700-NT I got on the E6600. The E6600 barely hit 495FSB on that mobo & BIOS.
So I am very suprised that the P5W-DH can't keep up with the lesser !965P at the 450+ FSB. But keep in mind, not every CPU of the same rev. will OC the same, or the same mobo & rev.
Example; I had 1 ASUS P4C800-E hit 325 (P4E 4.5 hot & sloppy under load, but just for test) and another weakened @ 275, or the same P4 Prescott 3.4E hit 4.1GHz satble but another sloppy @ 3.85. When both poor parts together OC was usually stable as daily user @ 266x14 for 3.73GHz 1:1.
BIOS 14xx+ should unlock E6300 to only 6 & 7. You will need 6x to hit the 500+ FSB I'm sure. Consider a Thermalright copper heat pipe sink with 120mm fan or water cooler to be more stable under load. I noticed even if you cen load to desktop, they get hot real quick, so keep em' cool and you shold have some fun overclocking.
As I mentioned, the Intel E6300 for me @ $149 US dollars was a great OCr' bargin. Just like the P4 506 (2.66/533FSB) on P5AD2-E to hit 4.0GHz on air. Same for my D-805 on P5WD2.
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15. March 2007 @ 15:30 |
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bigdk what do you think are good temps for my system e6300 @ 2.975ghz on a p5w dh deluxe at idle and full load?
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16. March 2007 @ 09:54 |
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Here are the pictures of what my system runs at.
You can see that the motherboard temp only changes by 1`C with 100% load on both cores.
The CPU temps are obviously raised quite high with ITAT, but thats the best way to stress the cores and see what the max temp is.
Obviously when normal running, I never have any application that can get the cores that high.
My CPU is watercooled, as is the GPU, but the NB is only cooled with the setup I posted earlier.
If you work within those temps you'll not do any damage, you should be able to take the NB up to mid 40s before you hit any problems.
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16. March 2007 @ 09:54 |
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I was thinking to switch to water cooling fot intel based cpu's socket S775 any suggestions ?
Also any good guides for water cooling setups?
I liked these two models until now any comments?
Zalman Reserator 2 Fanless Water Cooling System
Alphacool Cool Answer III 120 Compact 12V Laing-Pro-AGB-Edition High End
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16. March 2007 @ 10:05 |
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ok i got the 4pin to 3pin converter but the fun controller still isnt working i no the fan controller works because i found a 3pin fan and it was controlling it
does anyone have any ideas, what i noticed on the 4pin to 3pin is that the 3pin female which goes into the fan controller has a black and yellow wire instead of a black and red wire could this be the problem??
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16. March 2007 @ 12:08 |
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You would always be better off going for a self built system rather than a pre-built watercooling setup.
The Swiftech Storm is a quality CPU block (considered on of the best) similar to Apogee but better quality, its very easy to mount.
Pump I went for the laing D5, its not cheap, but then again the parts its cooling aren't cheap either, so I wasn't taking any chances, its also very quiet.
Radiator, its up to you, I went for copper only not aluminium, as I didn't want a mix in the system, plus I cleaned mine with white vinegar before installing, and you can't do that with the ali ones.
Size depends on how much heat you want to be able to get rid of, the passive ones won't cool as well as the rads.
You couls also look at getting a heat exchanger instead of the rad, they're more expensive but work better, or even get a chiller, which will work instead of the rad, and will allow you to cool right down to the dew point of your room which could be as much as 10`C lower than ambient.
Tubing and barbs, I wouldn't touch anything lower than 1/2" barbs 7/16" tubing. You could go with 1/2" tubing as well, but with 7/16" you will get a really tight fit by heating the tube end with boiling water then pushing it over, when it cools, its a solid fit.
If you intend to cool the GPU then Dangerden of EK are some of the best.
As for chipset, its generally agreed that its a waste of time and money watercooling than, but otherwise if you do it will depend on what board you buy to which one you can use.
If you say what parts you want to cool, and where you are US/UK I'll put a parts list together and a brief guide on what goes where.
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16. March 2007 @ 12:42 |
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Thnaks
Basically I want to cool my Cpu only but haven't got any idea on mounting a custom built water cooling sytem, I will choose whatever you think its suits best for me as long as it gets the lowest as possible. (UK)
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16. March 2007 @ 12:50 |
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Thanks
Basically I want to cool my Cpu only but haven't got any idea on mounting a custom built water cooling sytem, I will choose whatever you think its suits best for me as long as it gets the lowest as possible. (UK)
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16. March 2007 @ 13:01 |
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I'll put a list together either tonight or tomorrow, with a few choices, all the parts will work together which ever you choose, and will be a complete order, so nothing is left off when you're putting it together.
You can cut it down if you find some parts can be obtained elsewhere or you already have them.
I'm in the UK so I can use the same places I use.
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16. March 2007 @ 21:59 |
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Thanks very kind of you
I usally like scanuk since i'm not always in the uk and always got good service.
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