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24. June 2004 @ 18:38 |
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24. June 2004 @ 19:01 |
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i may get some stick here but i think none build yer own its alot better for half the price
but thats just my view.
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24. June 2004 @ 23:33 |
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WTF is with these goddamn one-word posts??!!! If you're gonna make a post make it a useful and effective one.
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24. June 2004 @ 23:34 |
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Not to mention HP sucks pants :)
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25. June 2004 @ 04:03 |
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i agree with kcc76.
The worse 2 comptuers to work with are HP's and Compaq's. Get a lot of different brand comptuers in at work and the one's built by the people themselves or small comptuer shops are eaiser to work with.
When a HP comes it, it usually gets put a side when there is more time, as they usually ahve more of a problem.
I have been building comptuers since the 486 Years and havnt had a problem since.
Also with 'Home Built' comptuers, u put what you want in it for around half the price.
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25. June 2004 @ 05:56 |
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Also with factory built/ store bought systems you are somewhat limited as to how much and what you can up-grade. They want you to buy a new system every couple of years. Computer kits give you more options for up-grades for almost everything in there.
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25. June 2004 @ 09:04 |
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The worse 2 comptuers to work with are HP's and Compaq's
Doesnt HP own Compaq now? :)
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25. June 2004 @ 10:21 |
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As far as I know you can upgrade any computer. As long as it's not old and outdated to badly. If it's a new or newer computer why couldn't you upgrade it? Not all factory computers come with crappy mother Boards. Some do come with crappy mother boards though. And when building a computer you can actually buy crappy mother boards seperate sure of that. Yes HP now owns Compaq...Alot of People consider HP crap, but it's funny how Compaq use to really stink until HP owns them. As far as HP sucking, I highly doubt that...I work at a Verizon Data center and they have Millions and millions of dollars worth of HP servers, Mainframes, Desktops, Notebooks, Compaq servers, just about everything in the building has HP or Compaqs name on it except for a few new Dell servers we just purchased. We got like 2 Dell Servers, and an ungodly amount of HP servers and everything else. If they were so sucky a buiness like Verizon wouldn't have them. I believe HP is the second biggest computer company in the world , number 1 would be Dell....I see HP surpassing them in the next year or two though.
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25. June 2004 @ 10:45 |
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As far as I know you can upgrade any computer
Try and upgrade a Mac.
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If it's a new or newer computer why couldn't you upgrade it?
Because the custom bios's may not recognize the newer stuff.
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Not all factory computers come with crappy mother Boards
True however virtually all of them come with consumer-perspectively crappy bios's
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I work at a Verizon Data center and they have Millions and millions of dollars worth of HP servers, Mainframes, Desktops, Notebooks, Compaq servers, just about everything in the building has HP or Compaqs name on it except for a few new Dell servers we just purchased.
Dunno if you realize there is a distinction between server systems and regular home destops (remiscient of the "any video card will work") .... HP does make amoung the best servers out there -- and given that this is a corporate environment, odds are Verizon has a contract with HP.
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If they were so sucky a buiness like Verizon wouldn't have them.
Again I really really dont see how you could possibly not realize that not every single HP/Compaq machine out there are like those performance business machines! Do you honest-to-god think that those HP systems there can go toe to toe with a gaming rig in a UT2004 game?? -- sure them HP systems will rock Alienware's systems to crap when it comes to transactions/sec or something like that but the majority of people (and HP computer models) are not dedicated to high intensity business type applications -- and thus, for home users -- suck ass.
Seriously - think about it! These corporate desktops cost a fortune (say $2500 per machine even though its prolly closer to $3500) and are good for two things (1) stability and (2) business type applications -- now for the average Joe who has $2500 -- he can build a much more useful and thus better system that, for the applications that 99% of the people use, will outperfrom these HP towers companies use.
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I believe HP is the second biggest computer company in the world , number 1 would be Dell....I see HP surpassing them in the next year or two though.
IBM? Dunno... just spitballing.
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25. June 2004 @ 12:50 |
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HP still sucks pants.
As far as the huge home PC vendors are concerned my vote would go with Dell. They give you a surprising amount of options when customizing your rig on their website and they are more forgiving of upgrades when you decide to pep it up a bit later on.
If you include the smaller boutique vendors as factory then it's hard to do better than the likes of Alienware, Voodoo PC or Velocity Micro. All three build quality systems that are seriously fast, easily upgradable and you get more personalized and knowledgable tech support.
Having said all that I don't think it gets any better than building your own!
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25. June 2004 @ 13:29 |
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If you include the smaller boutique vendors as factory then it's hard to do better than the likes of Alienware, Voodoo PC or Velocity Micro. All three build quality systems that are seriously fast, easily upgradable and you get more personalized and knowledgable tech support.
Someone forgot Falcon Northwest :P
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Having said all that I don't think it gets any better than building your own!
Well... maybe the ALX might be a tad better :P
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25. June 2004 @ 14:28 |
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I don't think there HP systems can run those games I agree Not at Verizon, totally different computers that do different things(Never doubted that). I am just talking overall quality of the company isn't pure shit like everyone wants them to be. Yes Verizon has a contract with HP, and you're probably right those HP servers and workstations are probably the best you can get, tells me most likely all of there home computers aren't going to be shit, if you buy a budget computer from HP, DELL, GATEWAY and so on, of course their not going to be top notch, and to computer geeks they will be considered shit. Anyway..When you build your own computer, how many different name brands are on the machine....Get a Toshiba DVD writer, such and such brand Mother board, different brands of memory , and so on. Kinda bold to just say flat out HP sucks....People will say "HP computers suck , but they make one hell of a DVD writer, or the best Printers"...What about an HP computer is any different different than a Dell for example? Is the Dell really better? how do we define better? I didn't get a Dell because they wanted the same price for their budget machine as my HP, but Dell didn't have a CD-RW the HP did. I bet both computers are based on the same quality, just one didn't have the CD-RW. Dell tend to bend you over once in awhile. At my job I even saw an HP guy working on a Dell Server...Ha ha go figure
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25. June 2004 @ 15:42 |
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you're probably right those HP servers and workstations are probably the best you can get, tells me most likely all of there home computers aren't going to be shit
You're talking opposite ends of the price spectrum. They don't put the same high end components in the home desktops and decide to charge a quarter of the price just for the hell of it.
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25. June 2004 @ 16:25 |
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but they make one hell of a DVD writer, or the best Printers
Best printers I will agree -- best DVD writers? Not a chance -- they barely got their act together for CD burners.
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Kinda bold to just say flat out HP sucks
Thats why I, unlike a lot of people, try to justify myself when I make statements -- especially when they are flatout like that. HP does suck -- but only because of the performance/cost ratio -- that's it.
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What about an HP computer is any different different than a Dell for example
Completely different BIOS -- Dell, while still crippled as hell, has a more flexible bios.
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Is the Dell really better?
In general yes. If you consider the flagship desktop tower, Dell wins hands down. If you consider the midrange tower, Dell wins (not so clearly though) and with the low-end systems, Dell and HP are about even -- then again, low-end is low-end universally, brandname-notwithstanding
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how do we define better?
Geez this reminds me of your post about video cards..... better can be interpreted as two ways (1) a higher performance-cost ratio can be considered better as well as (2) best performance where price isnt a concern. You seem to get tripped up between comparing these two types of "better" ... when you pick definition (2), it's quite apparent HP is nowhere near the top since their flagship towers arent that fancy and even when you consider the more 'reasonable' towers (i.e., definition (1)), HP isnt the greatest either because, like all OEMs, they have some serious overcharging.
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I didn't get a Dell because they wanted the same price for their budget machine as my HP, but Dell didn't have a CD-RW the HP did. I bet both computers are based on the same quality, just one didn't have the CD-RW.
Again... memories of the "video cards"...... :|
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Processor: one or two Intel® Itanium® 2 processors: 1.5GHz with 6MB cache, or 1.3GHz with 1.5MB on-chip L3 cache, for 64-bit processing performance and capacity
Operating Systems: choice of Microsoft® Windows® XP 64-Bit Edition, HP-UX 11i v2.0, or Red Hat Linux® Advanced Workstation Version 2.1, to support your applications
Chipset: HP Chipset zx1 with 6.4GB/sec of system bus bandwidth; 78ns open page memory latency; and AGP graphics - maximizes the performance of the Intel Itanium 2 processor
Memory: maximum of 24GB of DDR SDRAM accommodates large CAD models and designs
Storage: maximum of 438GB Ultra320 SCSI storage for fast access to files and applications
Dimensions (HxWxD): Deskside tower - 49.5 × 29.7 × 67.3 cm (19.5 x 11.7 x 26.5 in.) or Rack configuration - 8.6 × 48.3 × 68.1 cm (3.4 x 19.0 x 26.8 in.)
Graphics: ATI® RADEON(TM) 7000, NVIDIA Quadro4 980 XGL, ATI® FireGL Z1-128p, or ATI® FireGL X1-256p to fit your design requirements from professional 2D to high-end 3D
Manageability: redundant hot-plug fans (tower only); redundant power supplies; hot-plug disks; remote management features
Flexibility: deploy as a node in a graphics cluster, then redeploy later as a deskside graphics workstation
Warranty: One year parts, labor and on-site service, with HP Care Pack upgrades available
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25. June 2004 @ 17:34 |
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Im talking from a Technician Prospective. Having hundreds and hundreds of customers comptuers worked with at work as well as in my own time and HP are one of the worse to work with.
Yes HP Printers are the best, all my printers here are HP, as for their comptuers......
This is becoming a defend HP Thread, are you sure u dont work for HP JSRife ??? lol
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25. June 2004 @ 17:39 |
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HP has become its own best advertisement. It ate its own cooking in improving its operating efficiency, and that's like a walking billboard as it approaches some of IBM's customers to sell them on the tangible benefits of going with HP services. Dell may be a darn good one-trick pony, but HP is becoming an impressive horse stable. The upside, in every possible sense of the word, belongs to HP.
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25. June 2004 @ 17:44 |
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Ok, not meaning 2 pick a fight, but have you tried various different branded comptuers, not just HP's ?
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25. June 2004 @ 17:46 |
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But there's more. While Dell has always been the market's teacher's pet, the truth is that HP has left the classroom. It graduated. It has moved on to the next level, where being a diversified provider of higher margin information technology products and services falls more into the IBM (NYSE: IBM) camp than the box farmers in the Dell.
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25. June 2004 @ 17:51 |
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I like my dell :)
First thing I did when I got it, did a clean install. Took out all the crap dell put in, and put only the programs I wanted.
And one more thing, my sister-in-law had an HP and it SUCKED!!! I like HP printers though.
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25. June 2004 @ 17:57 |
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As i would ask for some of your other posts --- do you have a point? Or are you trying to explain to us how much you know about HP servers? You are either very slow or very naiive if you think the majority of factory built computers are of the midsized-server role -- from your posts you seem to have a very clear understanding of who makes the best computers and other than simply to increase your post count, why post a thread asking who makes the best computers when you right away and refuse to listen other people's perspectives?!
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25. June 2004 @ 18:40 |
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I just have my opinions that's all anyone can have. It was all fine and Dandy, but People always have to rag on HP, I don't know for a fact they are the best, they might not be...I have always used HP and like them is all. If I see someone putting down something they know nothing about, just going by Brand name or what other People say isn't really cutting it. I want to Learn more about other Computer companys as well, that is why I made this post. People say " My sister has an HP and it sucks" I mean reasons why it sucks would be nice....I mean could it be it's 8 years old and she has 64mb of memory, comparing that to a New Dell, yeah I bet it would suck. Or did his Sister get a defective Model? Or Maybe his sister hasn't defragged the thing in two years or maybe she doesn't know what the hell she is doing...If it's a newer computer and it gets defragged, Cleaned, Deleted old files and doing a few simple tweeks also have plenty of memory and if it's on Cable or DSL, I don't see how it's a piece of crap to be honest. I don't see how any computer could be actually if it's newer with a a user with some basic computer skills, some computers are better than others, someone has to always be a little better, but all computers are all bassically the same, Not really a whole lot to a computer. I am just interested in the fine details of computers, like I said that is why I made this post. People get programmed to easy, they see a computer at Wal-mart and it is automatic shit...HP was around way way before Wal-mart got their hands on the units for sale. Wal-mart is a big buyer, believe it or not they actually get good quality products at a good price, it's called buying in bulk. The most expensive Computer Wally world sales is probably a little over $1000, don't expect a $2000 quality PC for $1000, expect a $1000 PC. See the whole problem is someone got off with the wrong subject of this post...They said Build your own, way way better....Praetor you wanna get all over me for making comments in the wrong post , well the Post says Factory built computers, meaning commerical..Didn't say Home Built computers vs Factory built....Come on now.
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25. June 2004 @ 18:59 |
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My vote is "Home Made". It makes you learn what you need to know about computers.
Total cost is also a factor. Purchase your parts when the price is right. The PC2100 DDR Ram in my workhorse cost me about $4.00 USD for each of three 256MB modules. I was patient & used the rebate system. It was not cutting edge at the time, but it is a very capable box.
I don't keep up with the factory built reviews anymore. Why should I? Therefore, I really am not qualifed to answere "Who builds the best factory built computers".
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25. June 2004 @ 19:15 |
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JSRife,
I don't remember comparing my sis-in-laws pc to my dell. I just said I like my dell and her HP sucked. The main reason I didn't like her HP was because it was very limited on how much it could be upgraded. Don't get me wrong I've run across some new dell's that suck. You get what you pay for.
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JSRife, it is easy for me to say HP computers are the bottom of the low end computers now. They merged with Compaq. Enough said.
I have the business end HP printers...HP 1220C and the HP 2280C. They have been great printers for me. I will hang onto them, even though they don't, now, and never will have a driver which supports bi-directional communication with Windows XP. I fear, that in the future, the HP brand printers will lower themselves to the Compaq level. HP developers are pretty much misguided now, for the home user, computer hardware.
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