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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Thank you for everyone who responded. Yeah stupid me, I had completely forgotten to mention the CPU. Will, Surprisingly that is the exact one I had bookmarked hahah. I am going to go with that new case that you had linked cincyrob.
But, Sam, as far as the Graphics card and motherboard go that you had listed. How does the video card compare to the nvidia geforce 8800 gts or GT. Also is that the best Motherboard for gaming? I want to get a really good motherboard so I do not have to replace it later, or atleast for another two years.
Not only is the computer going to be used for gaming, it's also going to play a major part in video editing using programs such as adobe premiere. Adobe premiere really lagged the hell out of my old computer when using certain codecs and large files. I do not want that to be the case with this one.
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12. September 2008 @ 20:51 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The molexes are still used, and are both a fantastic and bad idea - fantastic because they're useful for powering internal components externally, potentially bad because of how easy they could short your PSU.
The only problem I ever encountered with Molex plugs is I've seen them burn up and even turn brown, black and melt. Then again I've seen the same thing with all different types of connectors and even memory sockets. It mainly has to do with the heat generated by high resistance connections. I've used a spray contact cleaner on mine for years, and I've never had that problem on my own personal computers. I also look at the physical plugs themselves, particularly the female plugs as the contacts are very cheap and most have a split in them on one side. I make sure the gap in the split is close enough to give a tight fit to the prongs of the male plug and then I install them. Saves a lot of future "Smoke signals" LOL!! Historically, this has always been a problem with low voltage. Bad connections can and do ruin PSUs and other components! Back in the dark ages, Cold solder joints would cause the same sort of problems!
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12. September 2008 @ 21:01 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I highly recommend the Gigabyte ports for the E-sata because of the "Hot Swap" ability. I gather that the ones on the back of some motherboards are Hot Swappable, although I don't know for sure. I've used mine before and used the purple port to connect it, it's just like plugging and unplugging a flash drive! Simple, and it works well! It's still part of the total number of the ports though!
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true enough Russ it's like a car with a dead battery but with the
e-sata rear connection on the back atlease you don't have to pop hood and give a jump..lol E=emergency S=service A=acess T=to A=assemble..LOL...i found myself popping the hood to much to connection peoples drives to wipe them clean and to tranfer files to another drive..then..i said to myself what's that bracket in that gigabyte box for?...man that was to make the job easier now the sata connection on the bracket plug in's are much thinner plugs but they do have the same groove..some people perfer not to use that bracket,but heck..i love it hook and go and with the power connection
also good setup indeed...
Originally posted by ikknight:
I want to get a really good motherboard so I do not have to replace it later, or atleast for another two years.
just a suggestion from me link below
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131297
but..i'll don't wanna step on sammy feet..lol take it away sammy
Originally posted by cincyrob:
i just went and looked at that case.. it is AWSOME!!!!!!!!!..i want it badly..its abot 6 inches taller than my RC690 and easy 2 inches wider....the 3 230mm fans are monsters!!!!!!!!!!
this case is built way better than the RC690.... AWSOME is all i can say
I will stop by Micro Center tommorrow and take a look at for myself...
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12. September 2008 @ 21:02 |
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ikknight: Better at everything really, not by vast amounts, but certainly should work a lot better in video encoding etc. as that's what ATIs were built for.
Russ: A bit of a scarbear but it's true, I see more abysmally-made molex connectors now than I do proper ones, I usually have to bend the male pins as they're wonky, or worse put them back as they slide clean out of the plastic, pin, wire and all!
rick: That's a completely up-side-down setup, meaning the 120mm is technically a bottom fan in the traditional sense, so you have two 120s in, and only one 120 out, in my experience that doesn't make for good cooling.
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Originally posted by ikknight:
I am going to go with that new case that you had linked cincyrob.
i just went and looked at that case.. it is AWSOME!!!!!!!!!..i want it badly..its abot 6 inches taller than my RC690 and easy 2 inches wider....the 3 230mm fans are monsters!!!!!!!!!!
this case is built way better than the RC690.... AWSOME is all i can say
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12. September 2008 @ 21:06 |
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Yeah, the HAF is a pretty nice looking box...
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12. September 2008 @ 21:38 |
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unruly to me :D
each to their own i suppose :D
and ikknight for CPU, how much do you have to spend? i would recommend the Q6600 for $200, and for $285 the Q9550
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Originally posted by rick5446:
This CASE looks well and easy to vent.Ultra M923 ATX Black Full Tower Case
http://www.compusa.com/applications/sear...ilspecs
BTW CompUSA is now owned by the fine forks that own Tiger Direct. They own 18 stores and the compUSA name!
I can't agree on the case aifrlow of that tower though. I see what they are trying to accomplish, but they are going about it the wrong way. They are trying to get some cool air to specific locations. While this might have worked well in the days of low powered computers, todays machines that have some very high temperature video cards that vent their heat into the case, that create it's own set of problems. Add high CFM fans, and the problems get worse as you have so much airflow coming in the side vents that it interferes with smooth airflow throughout the case. In my opinion if you are going to put static air vents in a computer, they should be mounted low and towards the front of the case and have fixed louvers that allow the airflow to blend with the front to back natural airflow of any case that allows the air from the vent to blend with a case's natural airflow, rather then clash with it at a 90 degree angle. OxiMoron (my Super eMachine) is the coolest running computer I have ever seen and has a single 92mm fan on the rear! The highest temperature I've ever seen for the CPU is 40C, and that was while encoding video in an incredibly warm, 88F/33C room! I've been studying it's airflow characteristics, but I need to build a duplicate side cover out of clear plastic and run some cold smoke tests to be able to see what's going on inside the case. Here's some pics to show what I'm talking about!
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http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6200/8311403603lyf9.jpg
Right side view
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/419/8311403605rjp4.jpg
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http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5749/8311403607rearwu2.jpg
It also has a large air inlet behind the front cover and a 4"x2.5" vent in the side cover in line with the CPU cooler, and that's all there is! I've concluded that it works so well because of the placement of the 3 rows of vents and the fact that all the vents have 45 degree louvers on them that point upward, keeping the airflow away from the normal 90 degrees of most case vents. Whatever the reason, it's case's cooling abilities are simply amazing!
I'm going to see if I can get a replacement case from eMachines so I can put my computer's components in it and see how well it cools. I'm betting that the results will be amazing!
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Russ
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bigwill68
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12. September 2008 @ 22:28 |
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hmmm...the Q6600 has a better voltage limited 1.5v ,65nm,Kentsfield ..the E8600 has a better Operating Frequency at stock 3.33Ghz ,45nm,Wolfdale at last but not lease the Q9550 has the best L2 Cache at 12MB,Yorkfield all these at default setting..
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which is the better overclocker?
Let the debates begin..lol
i know where my vote is...lol
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12. September 2008 @ 23:21 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
hmmm...the Q6600 has a better voltage limited 1.5v ,65nm,Kentsfield ..the E8600 has a better Operating Frequency at stock 3.33Ghz ,45nm,Wolfdale at last but not lease the Q9550 has the best L2 Cache at 12MB,Yorkfield all these at default setting..
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which is the better overclocker?
Let the debates begin..lol
i know where my vote is...lol
that's easy, the dual core will OC easier than the quads but lets talk performance. clock speed isn't everything. my stock Q9450 at 2.66ghz will tear up the stock E8600 at 3.33ghz in benchys and quad core applications and currently running at 3.55ghz (I've had it over 3.6ghz), it's not a bad OC'er either. my vote goes to the Q9550 and its 12M L2 cache. it all depends what you're going to do with it.
my benchies with my Q9450 at 3.55ghz are nearly double that of robs E8400 at 4.0ghz. no disrespect rob, merely making my case.
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
hmmm...the Q6600 has a better voltage limited 1.5v ,65nm,Kentsfield ..the E8600 has a better Operating Frequency at stock 3.33Ghz ,45nm,Wolfdale at last but not lease the Q9550 has the best L2 Cache at 12MB,Yorkfield all these at default setting..
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which is the better overclocker?
Let the debates begin..lol
i know where my vote is...lol
If you are talking about which can reach the highest clock frequency, I think both the Kentsfield and the Wolfdale have the edge there, but from a performance standpoint the Yorkfield will eat both their lunches! I'm firmly in the corner of performance ie: how much actual work it can do! CPU speed is meaningless to me! It's strictly bragging rights!
Russ
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@ikknight
if you're going to game exclusively go for the E8600 Less power (idle & load), less heat and generally performs better (hardly noticeable unless you overclock it for real)A quad core chip will produce twice the heat of a dual core chip.If you plan on encoding (video, audio), rendering, etc, go for the QUAD as you will make good use of the extra cores.
No game makes noticeable usage of a quad-core. Dead easy to check with task manager...
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Actually, that's not true at all Will, I tested it, and was surprised by the results - several games get monumental performance boosts from an E4300 to a Q6600 at the same speed.
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Originally posted by Mort81:
my benchies with my Q9450 at 3.55ghz are nearly double that of robs E8400 at 4.0ghz. no disrespect rob, merely making my case.
i completely agree. not offended Mort. anyone that would think otherwise dont know much.. even in my limited experience i can see and know the difference in the 2 comparisons. its only logical. 2cores VS 4 cores. do the math..lol i want the E8600 but for the price of it right now i can get the a Q6700 and a few bucks more the Q9450.
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when i do decide to get another CPU if there are programs that I use that will use all 4 cores i will go that way. but my OC'd E8400 will run circles around a quad doing DUAL CORE APPS.
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And that goes for games too, on high settings, Crysis will always lag on a dual core, no matter how powerful the GPU is. You need a quad to have the option to get it running smoothly.
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
Originally posted by Mort81:
but my OC'd E8400 will run circles around a quad doing DUAL CORE APPS.
for dual threaded apps your OC'ed E8400 will outperform my OC'ed Q9450 to some degree but it will not run circles around it. there's only a clock speed difference of 4.5ghz not to mention my aditional L2 cache. 12mb vs 6mb.
there are quit a few games and apps out now that are quad core compatable and there are more coming out all the time.
I too had an E3110 (E8400) OC'ed to 4.0ghz at one time and I can tell you the performance difference between it and my OC'ed Q9450, using dual threaded apps is minimal. my vote sill goes towards the yorkfield.
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Mort
LOL guess i did go over board with the running circles thing.. but you got my point..lol
now this is asking you you had the X3110(E8400) and now a quad.
there is limited programs/software/games that use all the resources of a quad right now. do you have any that do?is so do ya mind me asking what they are? and how often do you use any of the QUAD apps??
this is just for me.i honestly don't know what uses a quad and what don't. other than hanks encoder... which haven DVD-rebuilder and the ability to have a movie done in 45 mins and less using hanks if i had a quad...
thats the only reason i cant see getting one right now as i don't have anything to make use of the other 2 cores. granted the L2 cache is twice of what i have so that is nice...
am i making any sense here or am i just babbling along?
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13. September 2008 @ 10:54 |
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rob,
the only software that I personally use now that can utilize all 4 cores is hc encoder by hanks. I use best quality settings and if I use CCE SP, I do three passes but CCE with 2 passes is still the fastest. hc encoder on high quality is not far behind though, so I have gone to using it exclusively with DVD-RB.
hc encoder with a dual core cpu is not even in the ballpark. much slower than cce.
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13. September 2008 @ 11:58 |
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sam when i get my 4870, we shall see if on crysis, its the Q6600 or the faster E8600 that makes it run better.
CF and SLI need alot of CPU over head, so i think the Quad only helped there, but with a single GPU card, it may well be different.
how much CPU usage do you get in each core when running crysis or COD4?
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13. September 2008 @ 13:15 |
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Originally posted by Mort81:
rob,
the only software that I personally use now that can utilize all 4 cores is hc encoder by hanks. I use best quality settings and if I use CCE SP, I do three passes but CCE with 2 passes is still the fastest. hc encoder on high quality is not far behind though, so I have gone to using it exclusively with DVD-RB.
hc encoder with a dual core cpu is not even in the ballpark. much slower than cce.
Same here re HC encoder being used exclusively with DVD-RB, it's a powerful combination. And i also agree with Dual Core vs Quad Core (my Dual Core are 2.13 E6400), my Duals are good but not a patch on the Quad.
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Is there any difference in performance in having 4x1GB ram sticks rather than 2x2GB sticks? Other than not being able to add more, is there any other disadvantage in 4x1GB??
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ive been really thinking about this, this morning.i want the E0 stepping not as much as the C2D or C2Q. is the Q9450 E0 or do you need to be looking at the newest Q9650? if so i know i wont be looking to get one of them anytime soon.
there is no real way to know if it is the E0 stepping unless have it in hand.
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Originally posted by mrk44:
Is there any difference in performance in having 4x1GB ram sticks rather than 2x2GB sticks? Other than not being able to add more, is there any other disadvantage in 4x1GB??
if your overclocking yes there is a dissadvantage to haven 4x1gb sticks. it is harder to overclock with all 4 slots filled. its better to have 2x2gb sticks.
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13. September 2008 @ 13:42 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
if your overclocking yes there is a dissadvantage to haven 4x1gb sticks. it is harder to overclock with all 4 slots filled. its better to have 2x2gb sticks.
Are you talking about overclocking the RAM or the CPU?
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