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The REASON For The Ban Wave
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diz0581
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13. November 2009 @ 15:53 |
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thedon01 - Yes you need to extract the information from the key vault on the unmodded console.
It is a pain but it can be done.
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thedon01
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13. November 2009 @ 16:05 |
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Originally posted by diz0581:
thedon01 - Yes you need to extract the information from the key vault on the unmodded console.
It is a pain but it can be done.
would you care to share how that is done or point me in the right direction?
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jdmek9
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13. November 2009 @ 16:26 |
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Originally posted by saboaua:
As i read all the forums about ban wave, there is allot of theories on the banning.
1. Firmware being detected, doesn't matter which version you have
2. Powering dvd without it connected to the motherboard being detected when flashing is done.
3. Different games that were played that had issue
4. System is collecting data and sending it back M$ when connected to online
5. Modded Hard disk or not original OEM
6. Playing early release date games / bad rips etc
7. People Wave 3 only and Wave 3,4 & Activate ISO where banned
8. Little abgx360 error back then
9. Cheats etc
i was thinking of another possible method, dont know how much sense it will make but i will give it a try. for example lets say that an artist is releasing a new album on the 30th of ?? month but (like everything nowdays)hi/her album was leaked and people were able to download it and burn it. now lets say you get a copy of the cd on the 30th from your local music store a.k.a walmart parking lot lol.
when you put the cd in your pc you can see when it was created or burned. so can it possibly be that people who got a game early burned it before release date but never played it until release date and yet still got banned because they could tell it was burned on an earlier time? so maybe when someone is making a copy they should change the date on their PC to match the game's release date? that was something i was wondering, idk if it'd even possible to do that
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valv3
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13. November 2009 @ 16:39 |
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Originally posted by jdmek9:
i was thinking of another possible method, dont know how much sense it will make but i will give it a try. for example lets say that an artist is releasing a new album on the 30th of ?? month but (like everything nowdays)hi/her album was leaked and people were able to download it and burn it. now lets say you get a copy of the cd on the 30th from your local music store a.k.a walmart parking lot lol.
when you put the cd in your pc you can see when it was created or burned. so can it possibly be that people who got a game early burned it before release date but never played it until release date and yet still got banned because they could tell it was burned on an earlier time? so maybe when someone is making a copy they should change the date on their PC to match the game's release date? that was something i was wondering, idk if it'd even possible to do that
CDs, DVDs, & Games are not burned. They are pressed. The creation date of these are based on the master image, which is most like a month or two prior to actual release date.
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thedon01
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13. November 2009 @ 16:51 |
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So what are, if there are any, methods to get your newly banned Xbox back online through Xbox live? Is my method of changing the console ID and Console Serial number an alternative to going out and buying a new Xbox?
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13. November 2009 @ 18:09 |
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Originally posted by thedon01:
So what are, if there are any, methods to get your newly banned Xbox back online through Xbox live? Is my method of changing the console ID and Console Serial number an alternative to going out and buying a new Xbox?
its not possible thru conventional methods, you would have to strip chips off the board and have special equipment to put that into. more trouble than its worth really and i havent heard of anyone doing it to be honest , only a bunch of people that claim its possible
If you send me questions on Live about modding or anything related i will block you. Dont be an idiot.
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thedon01
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13. November 2009 @ 18:37 |
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Ok MS found out you were using a modded xbox so they marked your box as modded in their system and put it on a ban list. Well how do they determine which box is on the list? probably through an identification number found within or on your xbox right? So why can't that number be swapped out with a working number to make your box appear to be brand new?
Just like if i bought an Xbox from Walmart, swapped the Walmart xbox identification number with that of the modded Xbox that got banned and returned the walmart xbox with the modded identification number. When i link up to live it looks like i bought a new box, correct?
How would someone go about configuring the numbers within the system firmware/software?
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13. November 2009 @ 18:39 |
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i just told u in the post before ur last one. if you cant understand that then you wont be able to do it anyway.
think about it for a second man, if it were an easy thing to do dont you think the near 1 million people banned would be doing it and it would be all over these boards already. and they Firmware team wouldnt even need to bother making fw that cant be banned if we can just unban ourselves willy nilly like its picking flowers
If you send me questions on Live about modding or anything related i will block you. Dont be an idiot.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. November 2009 @ 18:41
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qwert99
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13. November 2009 @ 18:50 |
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You can swap console ID with another console, but there really isn't a point....one console will be banned and one console won't be banned. You will be in the same place you were in before.
The one advantage to this is if you 'cloned' a non-banned 360 to a banned 360 in order to regain key features such as install to HDD. If you kept the previously banned 360 off of Live (doing otherwise would risk getting the legit console banned) forever, you could regain features. However, that is where the advantages would end.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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13. November 2009 @ 18:52 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
You can swap console ID with another console, but there really isn't a point....one console will be banned and one console won't be banned. You will be in the same place you were in before.
The one advantage to this is if you 'cloned' a non-banned 360 to a banned 360 in order to regain key features such as install to HDD. If you kept the previously banned 360 off of Live (doing otherwise would risk getting the legit console banned) forever, you could regain features. However, that is where the advantages would end.
he wants to remove the console ID from a nonbanned 360 that doesnt work anymore and use it on his banned 360. so in that case it would do him some good but its just not something easy to do like plugging it in and reading the ID. the chip has to be physically removed from the board and more so its not something the average joe can do with some tweezers and a sata cable
If you send me questions on Live about modding or anything related i will block you. Dont be an idiot.
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thedon01
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13. November 2009 @ 18:57 |
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so the console number is imbedded into a chip on the motherboard of the xbox? there's no way to reprogram the console number by firmware/software configuration? it has to be removed and replaced with a legit chip correct?
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qwert99
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13. November 2009 @ 19:00 |
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There are two methods to it. One is to remove the chip itself. That would be the best method, since that would allow you to use a completely dead motherboard as a source.
The other method is to use the Infectious mod chip, solder to some contact points on the board, and do the JTAG method. Basically you read the firmware from the chip, save it, and then flash it onto another console.
Both are difficult, but the first method is much more so. The easier (I use that term loosely) JTAG method has the disadvantage of requiring a motherboard that has the ability to power up so that its flash chip can be dumped.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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ZoLRaK
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13. November 2009 @ 19:06 |
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Originally posted by saboaua:
As i read all the forums about ban wave, there is allot of theories on the banning.
1. Firmware being detected, doesn't matter which version you have
2. Powering dvd without it connected to the motherboard being detected when flashing is done.
3. Different games that were played that had issue
4. System is collecting data and sending it back M$ when connected to online
5. Modded Hard disk or not original OEM
6. Playing early release date games / bad rips etc
7. People Wave 3 only and Wave 3,4 & Activate ISO where banned
8. Little abgx360 error back then
9. Cheats etc
Till now i didn't read if somebody did try to used there key flashed it in another dvd drive and only used that spoof drive for playing backups offline without connected to the internet. Before going on XBL swap the original dvd drive back in to the system and connect it back to the internet for online play with original copies.
If this maybe would help to not get banned from XBL or flagged, but theory 4 will kill this if it's true.
Now is only a matter to wait and see what's really causing console bans!
no....will be banned as well
i was banned playing an original copy of devil may cry 4
the best strategy is to make your dvd-rom to read teh disc oofline then connect..
anther strategy that is useful for me in my new box is to disconnect..isert teh disc...turn off the console and the put the network cable again when is off then turn on...once the lgo appears is reading the disk and recognizing hardrive...once all this is done, the dash board will apear and connect automatically.....never fails.
after been doing this i finally realize that they are monitoring the disc reading pattern of the drives, so they can distiguish flashed or non flashed
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13. November 2009 @ 19:20 |
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Originally posted by ZoLRaK:
Originally posted by saboaua:
As i read all the forums about ban wave, there is allot of theories on the banning.
1. Firmware being detected, doesn't matter which version you have
2. Powering dvd without it connected to the motherboard being detected when flashing is done.
3. Different games that were played that had issue
4. System is collecting data and sending it back M$ when connected to online
5. Modded Hard disk or not original OEM
6. Playing early release date games / bad rips etc
7. People Wave 3 only and Wave 3,4 & Activate ISO where banned
8. Little abgx360 error back then
9. Cheats etc
Till now i didn't read if somebody did try to used there key flashed it in another dvd drive and only used that spoof drive for playing backups offline without connected to the internet. Before going on XBL swap the original dvd drive back in to the system and connect it back to the internet for online play with original copies.
If this maybe would help to not get banned from XBL or flagged, but theory 4 will kill this if it's true.
Now is only a matter to wait and see what's really causing console bans!
no....will be banned as well
i was banned playing an original copy of devil may cry 4
the best strategy is to make your dvd-rom to read teh disc oofline then connect..
anther strategy that is useful for me in my new box is to disconnect..isert teh disc...turn off the console and the put the network cable again when is off then turn on...once the lgo appears is reading the disk and recognizing hardrive...once all this is done, the dash board will apear and connect automatically.....never fails.
after been doing this i finally realize that they are monitoring the disc reading pattern of the drives, so they can distiguish flashed or non flashed
good luck with that lol
If you send me questions on Live about modding or anything related i will block you. Dont be an idiot.
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thedon01
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13. November 2009 @ 20:05 |
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well how do you guys see this playing out? Will it be a cat and mouse between modders and MS? Will modded boxes find a way back online? Will new software be designed that makes it harder for MS to determine the box is modded?
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B1ffster
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16. November 2009 @ 16:10 |
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Fsck Micro$oft! I'll play mine offline.
I refuse to buy another one even though I can afford it!
Apparently 1 out every 20 in the world have been banned, that's 1 million out of 20 million XBOX Live accounts.
A new console for every banned one makes Micro$oft $120,000,000.00
minus one...
Be number two...
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17. November 2009 @ 19:26 |
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Originally posted by B1ffster:
Fsck Micro$oft! I'll play mine offline.
I refuse to buy another one even though I can afford it!
Apparently 1 out every 20 in the world have been banned, that's 1 million out of 20 million XBOX Live accounts.
A new console for every banned one makes Micro$oft $120,000,000.00
minus one...
Be number two...
This line of thought drives me crazy. Microsoft isn't making $120,000,000. Each console they sell make little if no profit. They sell the consoles at a price people will buy them at so MS can make a turnaround on software and XBOX live sales. Selling you a new console so you can go on pirating is not MS's plan here. For the first year or so of production they lost a significant amount of money on each console they sold and the game hasn't changed all that much since.
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ps3lvanub
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18. November 2009 @ 03:17 |
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Are there people out there focusing on unsigned code and custom firmware like the PSP? That sounds like it would sort the problem...
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cowboy333
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18. November 2009 @ 05:14 |
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I phoned microsoft after they refused to repair my console that was only 6 weeks old which had been banned. (had to try to get them to repair it).
Now during the arguement I had with the dumbass on the other end of the phone it sounded like the newer xbox's have been changed from older versions and made it easier for microsoft to detect if the firmware has been changed.
He also said that it could also be down to playing games before release and that microsoft have to be absolutely 100% sure before they ban xbox's and never make mistakes in banning consoles. Never played games before release on my console but thought I would share the information with everyone.
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18. November 2009 @ 05:25 |
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he has a piece of paper with what he can say that will calm you down and make you give up you think they give that sort of info to the thousands of call centre operatives, mine got banned and is 3 yrs old.
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don_sf
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18. November 2009 @ 08:47 |
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wow, why dont you people just buy games instead of stealing...yes it is stealing...playing a backup that you dont own is just like picking it up of the shelves and playing it.
you guys go through all this trouble just to be able to play backups.
having said that. i am also looking to put i xtreme into my xbox 360.
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swws_2007
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18. November 2009 @ 08:57 |
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wow, why dont you people just buy games instead of stealing...yes it is stealing...playing a backup that you dont own is just like picking it up of the shelves and playing it. "
you guys go through all this trouble just to be able to play backups.
having said that. i am also looking to put i xtreme into my xbox 360
If I go and pay for something when I can get it for free I must have C**T written on my forehead.
Besides the only game I play online is Modern Warfare 2, I've got a Stock 360 for that (repaired RROD) and a Modded 360 for all the other games.
I get the feeling that the Live Ban boosted sales of MW2, nice backhander for Billy boy & friends from IW.
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cowboy333
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18. November 2009 @ 08:59 |
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I thought in the uk you was allowed a backup copy of any game you own
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B1ffster
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18. November 2009 @ 14:31 |
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Originally posted by cowboy333:
I thought in the uk you was allowed a backup copy of any game you own
You are, but a straight backup won't work.
That's what ABGX360 was supposed to be for, getting you 'backups' of what you owned in case the disc was faulty ;-) ;-)
That and Microsoft get you to agree that if you modify the hardware then you don't have a leg to stand on and apparently there are a lot of legless people around about now.
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matt54321
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14. December 2009 @ 13:54 |
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Hmm just come across this thread, interesting.
Whats even more interesting is all the people telling the OP that a supervisor wouldn't know about banning methods etc. But IMO and based on the hours of research I have done that update at the end of Oct definately had at least an influence on the consol bans.
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