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theonejrs

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17. October 2010 @ 02:48

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Originally posted by sammorris:
Great to hear Russ :)

Thanks a million Sam! I was so afraid that it was some sick joke. Her Mother never returned any of my phone calls. Her Mother doesn't approve of our friendship because I'm so much older than her??? I mean, she just turned 35 for god's sake! Takes all kinds!

Thanks again,
Russ

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18. October 2010 @ 00:31

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I'm looking at a strong possibility of an overheating Northbridge. Apparently, what I'm about to do, seems to revive older Nforce boards. People have had troubles with the chipsets overheating in the past. I believe my problem to be just that. So now I'm in the market for chipset cooling. I was under the impression that Copper is the best compound to use, for heatsinks. Is this accurate? Do manufacturers use aluminum simply because it's cheaper?
I'd really like to go with copper. I'm looking at this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103155
Unfortunately, it has no means to fasten the cooler down to the board. I currently have what appears to be push pins. In that they push into springs, through the board, and they're fastened. One of the reviews suggested using zip ties. That doesn't seem like a good idea to me. And thermal adhesive doesn't sound promising either. Is there a better cooler? Or shall I make this one work somehow?

I'm also thinking of transferring what ever I buy, to another build. It's likely that this board will not last forever. In fact, it could already be doomed...

I'm unfortunately constrained to using 37mm(45mm peak peak) or less :( There are circuit board components restricting my going larger. Are those called capacitors on left and right?

The opaque looking area shown, is precisely 45mm squared.

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18. October 2010 @ 01:05

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don't use zip ties as they will come undone with heat.

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18. October 2010 @ 01:13

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Originally posted by ddp:
don't use zip ties as they will come undone with heat.

Exactly! ;)

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18. October 2010 @ 03:10

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oman7, if you haven't already I'd suggest making sure it's the chipset overheating before improving it's cooling. From the sound of your problem it shouldn't take more than 4 or 5 hours.

If you can manage you could try putting a fan inside the case to blow air across chipset; I did that in my main rig and it dropped the "NB" temp by ~7C at least (it's been to long I can't remember how hot it used to get).

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18. October 2010 @ 03:19

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I'm attempting to position a fan now. But as you can see in the pic above, it is challenging to say the least...

As you can also see by the pic, the heatsink does not completely cover the chip either. I'm rather dazzled by that...

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18. October 2010 @ 03:36

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Copper is better at transferring heat than Aluminium, but Aluminium is used for being cheaper, but also lighter. Heatsinks like the Thermalright Ultra-120 and pretty much all its competitors are made from Aluminium as a heatsink that size can't realistically be made from copper.
An Ultra-120 Extreme copper does exist, costs twice as much as the normal 120, and states in big letters that it can never be installed in a PC that sits upright, or it will simply rip the CPU socket off. So aluminium has its advantages, its use offers levels of surface area unavailable with copper due to weight restrictions, and therefore arguably better cooling as a result.

Very few chipset heatsinks come with any sort of mounts because most chipsets are different in terms of pin spacing. It's a case of bodging with cable ties etc.
That chipset heatsink is pretty hilarious for a basic Geforce, but it looks identical to the board my friend had for his fileserver, a red MSI board with a Geforce 6100 IGP. His has long since been replaced with a Gigabyte 740G AMD board as he wanted more than 2 S-ATA ports and actually have the ability to downclock the CPU at idle :P

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18. October 2010 @ 03:46

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I was looking at a large copper heat sink, but dismayed due to it being too large. I almost bawled...
The heatsink really is too small. Nvidia or MSI really need to feel ashamed! Especially not completely covering it!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835226019

Hey afterdawn. Why are newegg links being redirected?

E.g. http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-4129487-104...N82E16835226019

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18. October 2010 @ 03:50

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I'd advoid anything SilenX. SilenX are the lowest quality PC component manufacturer of all time. They make Rosewill, Qtec and Raidmax look like Seasonic :P

Edit: Redirected where?

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18. October 2010 @ 03:57

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How bad can it be? Its copper and a fan LOL!

The link seems to change to another address. At least on my PC. My guess is so it can be tracked. Perhaps that's paranoia though :S

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theonejrs

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18. October 2010 @ 03:59

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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I'm looking at a strong possibility of an overheating Northbridge. Apparently, what I'm about to do, seems to revive older Nforce boards. People have had troubles with the chipsets overheating in the past. I believe my problem to be just that. So now I'm in the market for chipset cooling. I was under the impression that Copper is the best compound to use, for heatsinks. Is this accurate? Do manufacturers use aluminum simply because it's cheaper?
I'd really like to go with copper. I'm looking at this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103155
Unfortunately, it has no means to fasten the cooler down to the board. I currently have what appears to be push pins. In that they push into springs, through the board, and they're fastened. One of the reviews suggested using zip ties. That doesn't seem like a good idea to me. And thermal adhesive doesn't sound promising either. Is there a better cooler? Or shall I make this one work somehow?

I'm also thinking of transferring what ever I buy, to another build. It's likely that this board will not last forever. In fact, it could already be doomed...

I'm unfortunately constrained to using 37mm(45mm peak peak) or less :( There are circuit board components restricting my going larger. Are those called capacitors on left and right?

The opaque looking area shown, is precisely 45mm squared.

Oman7,
I've already tried the Cooler master, and they suck! Here is the answer! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835129036 It's the best fan there is for hot nVidia chipsets! It dropped Russell's NB temp 17C, from 53C to 36C, and the 430 chipset is known to be a hottie! I didn't even remove the heatsink and re-do the thermal paste with Ceramique, like I usually do, I just screwed it in between the fins, because I did it in place! At 2200 rpm, it's quiet, and 6.5 cfm is more than enough airflow, and they stand up real well. Don't balk at the price, because there's nothing else you can buy that will do as good a job! I bought the Enzotech Forged copper heatsink and used the same fan. There was no difference in temperatures between it and the stock GigaByte Aluminum heatsink with the same fan mounted on it! It's all I've used for years now.
Yes those round things are capacitors!

Best Regards,
Russ

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18. October 2010 @ 04:00

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The fan will give you a headache and fail after a couple of months.

I'm not getting any redirects on newegg links, where are you ending up?

Edit: Just noticed my message came in after Russ'. I was referring to the SilenX fan, not the Antec.

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18. October 2010 @ 04:08

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Russ, you think that a simple fan with the current Heatsink will suffice? I like the looks of that fan by the way!

Example of redirect
E.g.[/b] http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-4129487-10446076?sid=skim4051X642410&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16835226019

Thanks for the education by the way russ ;) "Capacitors" I wasn't sure.

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18. October 2010 @ 04:08

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Er no, I don't have that. Spyware on your PC maybe?

Edit: Although it is in my history. Hmmm, are you pasting newegg links with or without the search context? I remove the search context as it tidies up the URLs and isn't necessary.

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18. October 2010 @ 04:12

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I don't paste search context. I click on an item, and then paste that EXACT url/item#

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18. October 2010 @ 04:14

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Ah, found out why it's in my history, I clicked your earlier link.
No, can't say I'm getting those redirects, even if i click a link with the search context still intact (e.g. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...1-269-_-Product )

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18. October 2010 @ 04:18

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Eeek! Guess I have more than one task tomorrow ;)

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theonejrs

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18. October 2010 @ 04:24

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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Russ, you think that a simple fan with the current Heatsink will suffice? I like the looks of that fan by the way!

Example of redirect
E.g.[/b] http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-4129487-10446076?sid=skim4051X642410&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16835226019

Thanks for the education by the way russ ;) "Capacitors" I wasn't sure.

Oman7,
The redirects are newegg updating for this weeks specials! Happens every week about this time! I'm 100% positive it will work. I put one in every build I can fit it on! I've been using them for over 3 years, and none has gone south yet! It fits perfectly on that particular heatsink! I would have put one on mine but there's no way to attach it. I usually buy them 5 at a time to save shipping. They ran out of them and I was only able to get one! If you don't want it, I'll take it off your hands!

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18. October 2010 @ 10:43

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omeg I was just gonna say ask Russ, he can find anything, every time I asked him for a certian something he always finds it, I wouldn't be suprised if I asked him to find me some hot mamma on a certain corner in South Philly he would probably find me one LOL. I don't know how he does it so fast all the time but he does.

With the links I'm not getting re-directed but I keep getting double pages which is weird I never saw that before, I use AOL so maybe it works different with them than being re-directed. But anyway something is haywired with AD at times lately, I still even keep getting e-mails for so called updated links from AD on this thread several times but they are not updated, just same pages all the time, not complaining just trying to let AD know some things are still screwed up.

And last ddp said that zip ties will come undone in the heat, are we talking about the same kind of ties people use to tie up loose wires and the same cops use at times instead of handcuffs, cause I never seen those get undone no matter what, we use to use the same for many things for construction work that could be involed in heat or cold as long as not extreme heat cause of course they would melt, I don't have the knowledge you guys have but I can't see any kind of extreme heat inside a PC so please enlighten me.

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18. October 2010 @ 13:02

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Russ generally does have an answer for everything. He's a diamond in the rough ;)

But there is a little something about that recommendation. The fan is 40mm, my heatsink is ~25mm. Not sure how I'd bolt/fasten it to the heatsink ;) Perhaps I should go with this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835119098
Or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835119047

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18. October 2010 @ 14:13

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newegg link works alright for me.

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18. October 2010 @ 14:37

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Well chipset heatsinks rarely come with any means to mount a fan anyway, it's going to be a heath-robinson affair regardless, so size is largely unimportant, and the bigger the better!

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18. October 2010 @ 14:39

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LOL! Forgot how tiny these little buggers can be ;)

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18. October 2010 @ 14:43

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If you're used to nvidia GPUs I'm not surprised, their dies are almost as big as the card itself.