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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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18. March 2014 @ 19:12 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
Ripper, it can be but not in this case as i get my electricity from innisfil hydro who gets it from ontario power generation.
Mr-Movies, not being funny. not our fault you guys drive on the wrong side of the road.
And pretty much the rest of the world! LOL
Kev, Think outside the box? How cleshay... really that is your answer?
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19. March 2014 @ 00:05 |
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Heck yeah it's my answer :p But seriously, there are wayyy to many loopholes, for accomplishing backups, or recording video in general. Cinavia is the only strong attempt that's been made. All this talk, has me tempted to look real sharply at an infected audio track. I guarantee there's a discernible pattern ;) And then all that needs to be done, is tweaking the problematic frequency, to the point of it not being recognized. I am aware, that tweaking the exact area, may not work though. Because the pattern itself would still be there, on another level. If their detection algorithm is half as intelligent as it could be :0)
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19. March 2014 @ 13:24 |
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On the games issue, it depends on the title, and how it supports widescreen. There are two methods of moving from a 4:3 image to a widescreen, Hor+ or Ver-. In the Ver- case, the ordinary 4:3 picture is cropped, so you lose detail that would have been present along the top and bottom. In the Hor+ method, the 'viewing area' is expanded so you will see content not ordinarily visible with a 4:3 monitor. The latter is increasingly common, so nowadays it's quite fair to suggest that, some of the time at least, you will see more with a widescreen monitor. I should point out that, for fairly obvious reasons, Hor+ usually only happens in games that allow you to select widescreen resolutions natively, and do not require a config file hack.
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19. March 2014 @ 14:07 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Fred I think he's talking about Sony movies and/or PS3's which is what Cinavia effects mainly.
The problem with Slysoft is that if you are not connected with them through the Internet their software doesn't work. So unlike DVDFab if Slysoft can't talk to it's server you are screwed.
I have been using slysoft for years, you don't have to be on the Internet to use their products, getting updates yes you do, other than that you don't have to be connected at all, but that's nor here or there, last several months people I know who have purchased newer players and not only Sony players are getting affected with cenavia, I have gotten calls from several friends asking for help, the only solution I was able to give was to purchase older players from e-bay or whatever which they have and that was a solution, my sister in law purchased a Sony bluray model about a year and a half ago and lucky her has not ran into that problem, however I purchased the exact same model for two of my friends about 6 months ago plus one for myself and yes they do run into cenavia so there's the difference, half the movies I try to watch are affected, I also have an older Sony with the up converting option on it and I use that when that happens and the picture quality is just fine, I don't use bluray so far my disc's are a great quality can hardly tell the difference from bluray my set is only 40 inches but have seen a bigger difference on those big sets.
Now these are copied disc's I am talking about, now you guys threw the years have been talking about eliminating disc's, back when we all got into a discussion no need for disc's anymore keep them on your hard drives etc. some of us had a different opinion remember lol, anyway I have tried watching movies that I created on one of my sticks before converting them with slysoft clonedvd and the picture quality was much better, that was on my PC monitor, I have not tried that on a TV yet because if I'm not mistaken watching that on my monitor threw my PC of course I have a media player like VLC, now with a TV it does not have that, so if I wanted to plug in a stick with a movie on it, plus download VLC also on my stick would that work on a TV and that is my question.
I have another question, with disc's I already know they are affected by cenavia, without converting these movies and putting them on disc is it possible that cinavia would not affect a movie on a hardrive or a stick, if that's the case than that defeats cinavia but now will have to teach people how to watch a movie thru sticks and hardrives lol including myself, you guys have been into this way of viewing for a while now, I remember Sammy talking about a docking station and moving hard rives around, with this cinavia crap if it's not a problem viewing thru sticks and hardrives I will have to get into this, I will have to figure out how to apply subtitled srt files on unconverted movies all my kids are deaf so not having it is not an option so if there's a way I will find it. So some knowledge here guys would be highly appreciated.
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19. March 2014 @ 14:11 |
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The matroska container (.mkv), among others, allows subtitles to be built into the file. That's the default container used for transmitting encoded video over the internet these days. I'll be honest, I have no idea what Cinavia is.
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19. March 2014 @ 14:15 |
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Cinavia cannot be defeated/removed while retaining HD audio. Currently...
(it also survives known compression schemes)
If it is not on the original mastered disc, it will trip a device that recognizes the signal. Essentially, the video needs to also have the AACS/CSS protection. If it does not, it's pirated material.
Simply retaining the protection, will not work either ;P
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19. March 2014 @ 14:25 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
I remember Sammy talking about a docking station and moving hard rives around, with this cinavia crap if it's not a problem viewing thru sticks and hardrives I will have to get into this, I will have to figure out how to apply subtitled srt files on unconverted movies all my kids are deaf so not having it is not an option so if there's a way I will find it. So some knowledge here guys would be highly appreciated.
I use CloneDVD2 to burn the DVD directly to a HDD, and it works great.
The main reason it is a better picture on the TV is that it is not shrunk, if the movie is 7GB, it stays at 7GB on the HDD.
I use the WD Live TV, which is connected to the HDD, which is in a docking station to play on my TV.
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19. March 2014 @ 14:28 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The matroska container (.mkv), among others, allows subtitles to be built into the file. That's the default container used for transmitting encoded video over the internet these days. I'll be honest, I have no idea what Cinavia is.
I will look into that sammy (mkv)most movies I obtain over the net do not have subtitles but there are sites I get them from, it works great when your converting movies, but to add them to non converted movies is another story but will look into it thanks sammy, your not into disc's so yes you would not know, but this also kinda tells me that I know you view movies thru hardrives and if you say you do not know what cinavia is that tells me you are not getting affected by it, I'm not a 100% sure on that but just trying to use common sense here. Now I need to find out if a movie can be watched on a TV from a stick if you have a media player in it.
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19. March 2014 @ 14:33 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Cinavia cannot be defeated/removed while retaining HD audio. Currently...
(it also survives known compression schemes)
If it is not on the original mastered disc, it will trip a device that recognizes the signal. Essentially, the video needs to also have the AACS/CSS protection. If it does not, it's pirated material.
Simply retaining the protection, will not work either ;P
That I already know, a master or from the net if it has cinavia on it your s%#t out of luck, thats why I talked about the other solutions like older players and watching movies thru hardrives and sticks, it sounds to me that as long as you don't put it on a disc you might be home free.
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19. March 2014 @ 14:38 |
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by FredBun:
I remember Sammy talking about a docking station and moving hard rives around, with this cinavia crap if it's not a problem viewing thru sticks and hardrives I will have to get into this, I will have to figure out how to apply subtitled srt files on unconverted movies all my kids are deaf so not having it is not an option so if there's a way I will find it. So some knowledge here guys would be highly appreciated.
I use CloneDVD2 to burn the DVD directly to a HDD, and it works great.
The main reason it is a better picture on the TV is that it is not shrunk, if the movie is 7GB, it stays at 7GB on the HDD.
I use the WD Live TV, which is connected to the HDD, which is in a docking station to play on my TV.
Your right, before converting the picture quality is so much sharper especially if you downloaded 1080's, and that also is making me rethink my disc making, the problem is even if you keep them on hardrives I don't care if it's a bunch of 2 terabytes drives as many movies as I collect your gonna run out of space quick, and paying for hardrives is a lot more expensive than buying disc's.
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19. March 2014 @ 14:39 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by sammorris:
The matroska container (.mkv), among others, allows subtitles to be built into the file. That's the default container used for transmitting encoded video over the internet these days. I'll be honest, I have no idea what Cinavia is.
I will look into that sammy (mkv)most movies I obtain over the net do not have subtitles but there are sites I get them from, it works great when your converting movies, but to add them to non converted movies is another story but will look into it thanks sammy, your not into disc's so yes you would not know, but this also kinda tells me that I know you view movies thru hardrives and if you say you do not know what cinavia is that tells me you are not getting affected by it, I'm not a 100% sure on that but just trying to use common sense here. Now I need to find out if a movie can be watched on a TV from a stick if you have a media player in it.
There's no reason to use disc other than storage these days (and obviously, I don't use them for that either). There are far better solutions for playing media to a TV even when you still want to use a TV as the screen and not a PC monitor. If you have a contemporary smart TV, some of them have fairly good codecs for playing encoded video directly across the network - in other cases, you can use small devices for this purpose, among other things I know a few people using Rasberry Pi devices for this. Failing the above, you can always just wire in a PC from somewhere to the TV, so you keep the windows environment but get to use the 'big screen' viewing environment of a TV.
Having googled I can see what Cinavia does, but as I say, I'd never come across it as I don't use disc-based media and haven't for some time.
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19. March 2014 @ 14:42 |
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Fred, if it's on a USB stick, it'll still trip the detection algorithm. Cinavia, is cinavia. A device that supports it, looks for it. Doesn't matter weather it's MKV/AVI or Disc.
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19. March 2014 @ 14:48 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by sammorris:
The matroska container (.mkv), among others, allows subtitles to be built into the file. That's the default container used for transmitting encoded video over the internet these days. I'll be honest, I have no idea what Cinavia is.
I will look into that sammy (mkv)most movies I obtain over the net do not have subtitles but there are sites I get them from, it works great when your converting movies, but to add them to non converted movies is another story but will look into it thanks sammy, your not into disc's so yes you would not know, but this also kinda tells me that I know you view movies thru hardrives and if you say you do not know what cinavia is that tells me you are not getting affected by it, I'm not a 100% sure on that but just trying to use common sense here. Now I need to find out if a movie can be watched on a TV from a stick if you have a media player in it.
There's no reason to use disc other than storage these days (and obviously, I don't use them for that either). There are far better solutions for playing media to a TV even when you still want to use a TV as the screen and not a PC monitor. If you have a contemporary smart TV, some of them have fairly good codecs for playing encoded video directly across the network - in other cases, you can use small devices for this purpose, among other things I know a few people using Rasberry Pi devices for this. Failing the above, you can always just wire in a PC from somewhere to the TV, so you keep the windows environment but get to use the 'big screen' viewing environment of a TV.
Having googled I can see what Cinavia does, but as I say, I'd never come across it as I don't use disc-based media and haven't for some time.
I hear ya sammy, I just don't watch I also collect and that's where my problem lies with space because of that, other wise I can watch a bunch of newer movies on a hardrive and delete them after viewing, I don't have that option, hey we all have our hobbies and vices, still has anybody try watching a movie on TV with a stick, I do have a smart TV about a year and a half old and no I can not watch a movie on it when I stick it into it's USB input, but if I was to download for e.g VLC on that stick would that work, if no one here know looks like I'm gonna have to try it.
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19. March 2014 @ 15:00 |
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Only smart tvs, and media capable devices can play video files. Our Blu-ray player supports video on flash drives. Just because a USB port exists, does not mean it can play video files ;) Usually they support JPEG viewing, and firmware upgrades.
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19. March 2014 @ 15:24 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Fred, if it's on a USB stick, it'll still trip the detection algorithm. Cinavia, is cinavia. A device that supports it, looks for it. Doesn't matter weather it's MKV/AVI or Disc.
Well you might be right, so far anybody that has viewed a movie on their PC monitor has not had that problem, I have personally viewed Captain Phillips from the same file I have obtained watched it on my monitor with no problems than converted it which does get affected on newer players after burning it on a disc, so that means watching it thru a PC does not affect it not for me and anybody else I know, now watching it on a TV converted I know it's affected, un converted remains to be seen, first chance I get I'm gonna give it a try.
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19. March 2014 @ 15:31 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
I don't care if it's a bunch of 2 terabytes drives as many movies as I collect your gonna run out of space quick, and paying for hardrives is a lot more expensive than buying disc's.
Not necessarily true. Newegg and Tigerdirect both have 2TB HDD's for $79. I have 313 DVD and Blu-ray movies on one 2TB drive, and still have 85GB free. Do the math HDD's are cheaper than DVD discs, unless one gets a HUGE discount.
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19. March 2014 @ 15:33 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Only smart tvs, and media capable devices can play video files. Our Blu-ray player supports video on flash drives. Just because a USB port exists, does not mean it can play video files ;) Usually they support JPEG viewing, and firmware upgrades.
So in other words, lets say I get a hardrive and a docking station, that can also mean it will not play with out it being connected to some kind of PC or laptop because it will need a media player, or my question is right back were I started from, hardrive in a docking station without a PC is just like a stick that won't play because it doesn't have a media player, I will try downloading a media player on a stick with a movie and will see what happens.
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19. March 2014 @ 15:38 |
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by FredBun:
I don't care if it's a bunch of 2 terabytes drives as many movies as I collect your gonna run out of space quick, and paying for hardrives is a lot more expensive than buying disc's.
Not necessarily true. Newegg and Tigerdirect both have 2TB HDD's for $79. I have 313 DVD and Blu-ray movies on one 2TB drive, and still have 85GB free. Do the math HDD's are cheaper than DVD discs, unless one gets a HUGE discount.
LOL, nice try syt but I'm way past that, I already have almost 7000 movies on disc's so you do the math on cost, I would need to build another room or garage to hold hardrives with that many movies.
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19. March 2014 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Only smart tvs, and media capable devices can play video files. Our Blu-ray player supports video on flash drives. Just because a USB port exists, does not mean it can play video files ;) Usually they support JPEG viewing, and firmware upgrades.
So in other words, lets say I get a hardrive and a docking station, that can also mean it will not play with out it being connected to some kind of PC or laptop because it will need a media player, or my question is right back were I started from, hardrive in a docking station without a PC is just like a stick that won't play because it doesn't have a media player, I will try downloading a media player on a stick with a movie and will see what happens.
I mentioned previously WD Live TV, is a device that connects to the TV, and will play in HD. In fact, it will play almost any type of format.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/230879513886?lpid=82
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19. March 2014 @ 15:42 |
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Only smart tvs, and media capable devices can play video files. Our Blu-ray player supports video on flash drives. Just because a USB port exists, does not mean it can play video files ;) Usually they support JPEG viewing, and firmware upgrades.
So in other words, lets say I get a hardrive and a docking station, that can also mean it will not play with out it being connected to some kind of PC or laptop because it will need a media player, or my question is right back were I started from, hardrive in a docking station without a PC is just like a stick that won't play because it doesn't have a media player, I will try downloading a media player on a stick with a movie and will see what happens.
I mentioned previously WD Live TV, is a device that connects to the TV, and will play in HD. In fact, it will play almost any type of format.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/230879513886?lpid=82
OK, than if I plug in a stick with a movie into this devise are you telling me it will play it without a media player of some kind that's normally needed?
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19. March 2014 @ 15:54 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Only smart tvs, and media capable devices can play video files. Our Blu-ray player supports video on flash drives. Just because a USB port exists, does not mean it can play video files ;) Usually they support JPEG viewing, and firmware upgrades.
So in other words, lets say I get a hardrive and a docking station, that can also mean it will not play with out it being connected to some kind of PC or laptop because it will need a media player, or my question is right back were I started from, hardrive in a docking station without a PC is just like a stick that won't play because it doesn't have a media player, I will try downloading a media player on a stick with a movie and will see what happens.
I mentioned previously WD Live TV, is a device that connects to the TV, and will play in HD. In fact, it will play almost any type of format.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/230879513886?lpid=82
OK, than if I plug in a stick with a movie into this devise are you telling me it will play it without a media player of some kind that's normally needed?
It, obviously is a media player.
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19. March 2014 @ 16:03 |
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Only smart tvs, and media capable devices can play video files. Our Blu-ray player supports video on flash drives. Just because a USB port exists, does not mean it can play video files ;) Usually they support JPEG viewing, and firmware upgrades.
So in other words, lets say I get a hardrive and a docking station, that can also mean it will not play with out it being connected to some kind of PC or laptop because it will need a media player, or my question is right back were I started from, hardrive in a docking station without a PC is just like a stick that won't play because it doesn't have a media player, I will try downloading a media player on a stick with a movie and will see what happens.
I mentioned previously WD Live TV, is a device that connects to the TV, and will play in HD. In fact, it will play almost any type of format.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/230879513886?lpid=82
OK, than if I plug in a stick with a movie into this devise are you telling me it will play it without a media player of some kind that's normally needed?
It, obviously is a media player.
Well hot damn than, that's interesting, now I need to find out if cinavia affects it or not, after what Ken said it might or not be affected, now if I only could find one and test it before buying one that would be a homerun, unfortunately nobody in my neighborhood has one let alone even heard of one, but damn this thing really looks interesting.
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19. March 2014 @ 19:23 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Well hot damn than, that's interesting, now I need to find out if cinavia affects it or not, after what Ken said it might or not be affected, now if I only could find one and test it before buying one that would be a homerun, unfortunately nobody in my neighborhood has one let alone even heard of one, but damn this thing really looks interesting.
I've been using it for years, and not one problem. It has played everything I've thrown out at it. I've never experienced the Cinavia problem, and I rib and burn about 2-3 movies a week.
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19. March 2014 @ 21:33 |
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by FredBun:
Well hot damn than, that's interesting, now I need to find out if cinavia affects it or not, after what Ken said it might or not be affected, now if I only could find one and test it before buying one that would be a homerun, unfortunately nobody in my neighborhood has one let alone even heard of one, but damn this thing really looks interesting.
I've been using it for years, and not one problem. It has played everything I've thrown out at it. I've never experienced the Cinavia problem, and I rib and burn about 2-3 movies a week.
Thanks syt I'm diffidently gonna look into it.
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20. March 2014 @ 02:43 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Fred I think he's talking about Sony movies and/or PS3's which is what Cinavia effects mainly.
The problem with Slysoft is that if you are not connected with them through the Internet their software doesn't work. So unlike DVDFab if Slysoft can't talk to it's server you are screwed.
I have been using slysoft for years, you don't have to be on the Internet to use their products, getting updates yes you do, other than that you don't have to be connected at all, but that's nor here or there, last several months people I know who have purchased newer players and not only Sony players are getting affected with cenavia, I have gotten calls from several friends asking for help, the only solution I was able to give was to purchase older players from e-bay or whatever which they have and that was a solution, my sister in law purchased a Sony bluray model about a year and a half ago and lucky her has not ran into that problem, however I purchased the exact same model for two of my friends about 6 months ago plus one for myself and yes they do run into cenavia so there's the difference, half the movies I try to watch are affected, I also have an older Sony with the up converting option on it and I use that when that happens and the picture quality is just fine, I don't use bluray so far my disc's are a great quality can hardly tell the difference from bluray my set is only 40 inches but have seen a bigger difference on those big sets.
Now these are copied disc's I am talking about, now you guys threw the years have been talking about eliminating disc's, back when we all got into a discussion no need for disc's anymore keep them on your hard drives etc. some of us had a different opinion remember lol, anyway I have tried watching movies that I created on one of my sticks before converting them with slysoft clonedvd and the picture quality was much better, that was on my PC monitor, I have not tried that on a TV yet because if I'm not mistaken watching that on my monitor threw my PC of course I have a media player like VLC, now with a TV it does not have that, so if I wanted to plug in a stick with a movie on it, plus download VLC also on my stick would that work on a TV and that is my question.
I have another question, with disc's I already know they are affected by cenavia, without converting these movies and putting them on disc is it possible that cinavia would not affect a movie on a hardrive or a stick, if that's the case than that defeats cinavia but now will have to teach people how to watch a movie thru sticks and hardrives lol including myself, you guys have been into this way of viewing for a while now, I remember Sammy talking about a docking station and moving hard rives around, with this cinavia crap if it's not a problem viewing thru sticks and hardrives I will have to get into this, I will have to figure out how to apply subtitled srt files on unconverted movies all my kids are deaf so not having it is not an option so if there's a way I will find it. So some knowledge here guys would be highly appreciated.
That isn't actually true as just the other day I didn't have my computer linked to the internet and Anydvd wasn't able to rip my movie sating it couldn't rip the disc until I connected to the internet and all was fine then.
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