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DVD Shrink encoding time too long!
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11. October 2004 @ 20:02 |
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I'm confused about the description you are giving me. You have two basic modes...file and ISO. You can only use Decrypter with an ISO image. It sounds like you have these confused. In any case, this sounds like a setting issue, and not a bad install of your OS or any software.
I would suggest you start off with File mode. I will walk you through the process to make sure things go OK.
Put your movie DVD in your reader drive. Close out any video that starts up on the monitor. Launch Shrink, and choose Open Disc. At this point let me know if Shrink reads the disc, and gives you some folders on the left pane...like Menus, Main movie, and Extras.
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sas7042
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12. October 2004 @ 03:34 |
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Hi Doc409
Sorry for the confusion. After opening Shrink I either open disk or files after it analyzes it I then click on backup which takes me to target device. This is where my problem is. It only gives me 3 options for output (1) ISO (2) ISO and burn with decrypter (3) create dvd files to hard disk folder
Select target folder for dvd output files
Under the preferences tabs I've insured that the Nero button is checked. When I uninstalled Nero when I opened shrink and went to backup there would be a link to enable burning, install Nero and it takes you to the Nero website. I followed the link and reinstalled from website reopened Shrink the link disappears but the Nero option does not show up
I hope I've explained my problem a little better without confusing you anymore. Thanks
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12. October 2004 @ 04:36 |
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It's a little clearer now. Let's take one step at a time. When you press Backup, a box pops up. You have two items:
1. Select backup target
2. Select folder for temporary files
I have 2 questions.
Question No. 1:
Concerning #1/Select backup target: On the pull down menu do you see *any reference* to a DVD RW drive? (On mine I have "D: Sony DVD RW DRU530A" along with the menu items (1) ISO Image file (2) ISO Image file and burn with Decrypter, and (3) Hard disc folder.)
Yes or No?
Question No. 2:
Concerning #1/Select backup target: If you do see a capital letter and colon (like E:), are you able to put a check mark next to it?
Yes or No?
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sas7042
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12. October 2004 @ 09:48 |
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Hi Doc409
Question 1: No
Question 2: No
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12. October 2004 @ 11:06 |
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It's clear now that Shrink isn't "seeing" your burner...which is also your reader. And it does see it as a reader because it is getting the files from it. And so does Decrypter. Very strange.
Let's try this. Since your reader/burner is the only drive on the Secondary IDE channel (it is,isn't it), go into Device Manager and uninstall it. Then reboot. It will again be recognized on the reboot. Then, go back and check to make sure DMA is enabled. Then, go back and check to see if Shrink sees the drive?
If this doesn't change anything, I'm thinking that putting the optical drive on the RAID channel did something to how things are recognized. I would have to suggest you restore the BIOS to its defaults. If you have a manual, it will tell you what jumper to use. If not, just remove the disc battery for 30 or so seconds. Make sure the power cord is detached from the power supply when you do this. When you put the battery back in, and reboot, it will ask you if you want to go to the BIOS setup. At that point make sure that DMA is enabled, and that the optical drive is listed as one of the boot devices.
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sas7042
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12. October 2004 @ 12:52 |
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Hi Doc409
I tried uninstalling the drive in device manager twice and still no change in Shrink.
I'm a bit confused about the bios. I thought taking out the battery would clear the CMOS. If I reset Bios do I have to reflash the BIOS. I still cant find anything in the BIOS that mentions DMA. Is there a specific place too look. These are the options I have in BIOS: Award Software Ver. F11
Standard CMOS Features
Advanced BIOS " "
Advanced Chipset
Integrated Peripherals
Power Management
PnP/PCI config
PC Health Status
Freq/voltage
Load Fail-Safe Defaults
Load Optimized
Set Supervisor PW
Set User PW
Save&Exit
I've looked through everyone of those options the only thing that mentioned DMA was with ECP mode Use DMA option in the integrated Peripherals.
This drive my Plextor is brand new I installed it on Friday. My other recorder Nec might of been on the ide3 or 4. I have that disconnected now. Thanks for your help again.
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Brantley
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12. October 2004 @ 13:07 |
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It seems that quite a few people are experiencing slow encoding when using Shrink. In my case it will only encode at 1X (about 1500kb/s) which means a total analysis and encoding time of 2-3 hours for your average DVD! When you add in ripping and burning times it starts to get a bit silly.
Strangely, Nero Recode 2, which is esentially just a re-write of Shrink, will happily encode at 4X on the same computer, taking about 30 min. to do the same job. Any ideas why this is happening?
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junkbeast
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12. October 2004 @ 13:09 |
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hi. i am also stuck in Shrink at 1,500-1,800 KB/s. i am running a laptop with a pentium 4-M 2.5 gig processor, 512 megs of RAM, 40 gig HD with 20 gigs free. drives are set to ultra DMA or DMA.
is there anything i can do to speed this thing up? thanks.
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12. October 2004 @ 13:27 |
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SAS7042...No prob. We'll track this thing down.
Not all BIOS's have the Enable DMA option. If you don't see it inside any of the categories, it isn't there, and is irrelevant. Also, taking out the battery won't require a BIOS re-flash. You do have the option in your bios to "load fail-safe defaults" which is probably a better place to start.
I was also thinking that it would be a good idea to run ForceASPI 18 again. Make sure you follow the instructions, and remove the ASPI layer before installing the new one.
http://forceaspi18.w.interia.pl/
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12. October 2004 @ 13:52 |
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sas7042
I've come into this a bit late and I haven't read far enough back to see what you have or have not tried.
Is your aspi layer intact? Go here and follow the instructions.
http://forceaspi18.w.interia.pl/
If that doesn't work then try this.
Go to device manager, locate your drive, and then choose uninstall and reboot.
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sas7042
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12. October 2004 @ 21:14 |
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Hi Doc409 and Sophocles
I tried uninstalling the drive again, downloaded and updated the ASPI, and Loaded the FailSafe in the Bios. Still no luck. What's strange is at one point everything was working until SP2 and then my subsequent reinstallation of the operating system and updates. I know previous to this I had no problems and didn't have to change anything for Nero to work with Shrink which I've been using since Shrink allowed you to burn with Nero.
I will try messing around with it again in a couple of days. I will be gone till then. If you have any more suggestions let me know and I will keep you posted when and if I ever get this working. Thanks very much for your help.
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12. October 2004 @ 22:01 |
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@sas7042 ... I'm out of ideas. You've formatted your HDD, and then installed XP with updates, as well as fresh downloads of Shrink and Nero. You also restored the BIOS to system defaults...I think. Your board has a backup BIOS in case it crashes from some overclock setting. I don't know your mobo that well, and it might be possible that system defaults were over-ridden by the backup.
You say all was OK until installing SP2. I can't help but think that this changed a BIOS setting that is still resident, and is the root of the problem. I've never heard of this, but it is the only thing I can come up with at this point.
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12. October 2004 @ 22:24 |
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@junkbeast ... that's good info, but not enough to give you a good answer. Are you using an internal or external DVD drive? And, what is the rated RPM of your HDD?
@Brantley ... The slowness is likely do to some setting. Do you have Shrink set to work in background mode? Also, while there are similarities in the way Shrink and Recode look, they do use different algorithms for encoding...and this makes them fundamentally different.
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sas7042
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12. October 2004 @ 22:50 |
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Hi Doc409
Thanks for all of your help. Not all is lost. I'm getting a better encoding speed using files on harddrive between 5,000 -6,000kb/s to shrink LOR Two Towers in 22min. I'm sure its not going to last. I will just burn using decrypter or manually burn through Nero.
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vietorisz
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12. October 2004 @ 23:04 |
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hi everyone with slow ripping and encoding probs with any of the free software. For over a year or so i had a Pioneer 105 burner which I used with an LG combo for ripping. I went thru all the hell with ripping problems (speed and crc etc) and stood confused at different discs with different rip speed and then I upgraded to a Pioneer 108 and throwed out my LG and replaced it with a Pioneer 121 rom drive. I had them both freed from any region and rip locking so I got an amazing 6'25" encoding to the hard drive at a rate of 65% compressing, sometimes over 10000kb/s with DvdShrink!!! Both drives run in Ultra DMA 4 mode with xp's SP2. No probs anymore! Pioneer's the best!! Anybody wanting more info write me.
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Brantley
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13. October 2004 @ 00:21 |
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Doc409
Thanks for the reply.
I have tried everything suggested in other posts: Shrink is not in low priority mode, DMA is on for all drives, CPU use is 100% etc...A lot of people seem to be stuck at this same encoding speed so there must be a common factor somewhere that we can't pinpoint.
The only thing that speeds up encoding is turning off AEC in 'Quality Settings'. This brings the encoding speed up to Recode levels. I can't find any mention of AEC in Recode so presumably it doesn't use it. This would explain the difference in speed between the two.
I can see no difference in video quality between Shrink/Recode encoded disks so I am wondering if AEC actually does anything useful?
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13. October 2004 @ 00:39 |
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Brantley...I think for some of the people using Shrink, they are not aware that the newest version takes 2-1/2 hours to encode with deep analysis and one of the quality settings like Sharp. This 2-1/2 hours is the average based upon a P4 2.6 CPU and about a 6 GB DVD, and this doesn't include ripping or burning. This longer time factor is due to the new encoding algorithms.
As far as comparing the time Shrink takes to any other transcoder (like Recode), it doesn't mean much. Shrink should be compared to Shrink on equivalent systems to see what is normal. I use the RB-CCE process and it takes 3-1/2 hours. But it yields superior quality and is worth the time and effort to me. I do have other transcoders, and they encode in about 30 minutes. The point here is that all transcoders work a little differently.
If you want to post your system specs, I can tell you about what you should expect.
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Brantley
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13. October 2004 @ 01:40 |
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Doc409...From what you are saying it seems that my encoding speeds are quite normal after all! (for Shrink, anyway). My specs are: Athlon XP 2500 on MSI KT6 Delta, 512Mb DDR333 ram, WD 80Gig 7200rpm HD with 8Mb cache, NEC 2510 burner. Guess I will just have to get used to the long wait or stick with Recode.
I see you managed to get Sas7042 down to 22min.
Presumably that was on low quality settings?
Thanks for the input.
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13. October 2004 @ 11:26 |
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Your XP2500 is rated at about 1.83 Ghz. This is a lot of processor for things like word processing, but for rendering gigabite size video files it has its work cut out for it. You could easily see 3 to 4 hours using Shrink with deep analysis and Sharp on a larger DVD like LOTR. Quality takes time with Shrink. If time is important to you, you can get very good quality in a reasonalble amount of time (30 to 40 minutes) from some other retail programs like Intervideo DVDCopy2, DVD2One, and Recode.
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Brantley
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13. October 2004 @ 12:41 |
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Doc409...Thanks for the info. It's comforting to know that there is nothing wrong with my system after all!
I have just tried Recode 2.1 and it is even slightly faster than Recode 2 AND it now has a high quality setting. The best of both worlds? We shall see......
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13. October 2004 @ 13:08 |
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Brantley...the Nero group is a very good value for what it offers. Recode is also a good program. Where Shrink comes in handy, and the RB-CCE combo, is if you want to watch on a larger CRT or large widescreen. This is where you will see the quality difference between the different transcoders begin to appear. As long as you are going to watch on a regualr size TV screen, a quick encode should be all you need.
On another note, I would suggest that you defrag after every 2 or 3 backups, as encoding on a single drive tends to really fragment things. If you don't, you will end up with choppy backups.
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13. October 2004 @ 13:23 |
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Doc409
Having a PC with the XP2500 Plus (barton core) I can say that even with Shrink's high quality settings anything over 3 hours is too long. Of course my wife's sytem is overclocked to an XP3200 but still that shouldn't make that much of a difference. It's also worth noting that AMD's architecture is superior to Intels. It has superior floating point operations and performs more operations per clock cycle than a P4 does.
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13. October 2004 @ 14:36 |
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Sophocles...thanks for clarifying the times. It was a best guess based upon the P2.66 (not overclocked, yet) that I use ... and my previous experience with Shrink. I do have a XP1700 (1.5 GHz) and mobo that's not doing anything right now. It sounds like I should consider putting it to work, especially if I can overclock it?
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14. October 2004 @ 13:41 |
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RB-Farm, I been reading about some attempts at using RB-Farm with batch processing. Now that would be exciting.
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kooah
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16. October 2004 @ 22:25 |
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Hi:
I have been sucessfully burning several DVD's using The Shrink/Decrypter, and my new external NEC ND3500A 16X DVD-rewriter. It first took about 3 hrs to encode/burn using the orginaly firmware(v2.16). Thanks to randomwalk101, who sent me an updated firmware that cut the total time to about 1.5 hrs. After reading all the threads here, I found out my 2nd (internal)hdd, that used to store all ISO files, was not in DMA mode. I tried to follow the Microsoft guide, that is, to toggle between DMA and PIO, but nothing change. At the advanced settings display, it shows "Device 0(I assume this is my primary hdd), current transfer mode: Ultra DMA Mode 2. But in Device 1(I assume this is my 2nd hdd), current transfer mode: PIO mode". Toggling Device 1 wouldn't do anything...always in PIO mode. I checked with Nero6 info tool, and found out the DMA mode is OFF. If Microsoft's guide can't toggle the change, what else could I do, and how? Please help! Hope by doing this could cut down the total time more. Thanks.
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