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Swap Magic 3.3 summary
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28. March 2005 @ 21:49 |
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I have to agree, the XBOX is in a way overated. And about the new Swap Magic, if all they did was add DVD Loader, then yeah there's no use for it if we have the previous version and DVD Loader. And plus, the new SM doesn't boot Ghost Recon 2 as the previous one does from what I've heard. If the new Swap Magic had a higher TOC, I agree we wouldn't have to rebuild images. And plus, I don't think I can rebuild any images cuz my file system is FAT32 instead of NTFS, cuz as far as I know, you have to have the image in one file in order to switch to the second layer (I tried MGS2SUBSTANCE). So I do hope they make it DVD9 next time.
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NoSldrPs2
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29. March 2005 @ 06:02 |
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Syberia 2 also doesn't work....
By the way, if you get SM3.3, you'll get a large TOC DVD, the one used to boot DVD games....
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29. March 2005 @ 08:21 |
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NoSldrPs2 you don't really get a large TOC on the Swap Magic v3.3.All you get is the Swap Magic Dvd which is the size of Dvd5 not Dvd9.Look at the Swap Magic Dvd and check to see if it is 9Gig in size.I bet you it is only half that size.Swap Magic comes with two dics SMvDVD,and SMvCD they both are used no matter what a person says.I know some people can't use the CD version,but still all you really need is the Dvd version I think.
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29. March 2005 @ 21:57 |
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You're correct, when i said a large TOC DVD i mean around 4 GIG, not the new 9 Gig ones...
Anyway, to change output settings (Video mode) you'll need to boot first with the SM CD, not the SM DVD...
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30. March 2005 @ 19:17 |
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In my mind, the Swap Magic 3.3 set is a huge improvement (at least on the DVD portion) over the 2.0, in that *loaders and TOC-swapping are no longer necessary*. From my experience, only Champions: Return to Arms and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance (the first, not the second) need loaders. FIFA Street, NBA Street vol.3, Mercenaries, and Shadow of Rome needed patching/rebuilding, but worked fine thereafter. From my experience, nothing else has ever needed any additional swapping. That said, if you don't mind loaders or really need to save your cash, then the 2.0 set should serve you fine.
As for DVD9/DVD5s, you need a DVD9 to TOC-refresh DVD9s and a DVD5 to TOC-refresh DVD5s, so the whole argument to transfer the Swap Magic set to a DVD9 TOC size is moot. You can try it yourself -- try using Xenosaga Episode I or some other DVD9 game as your TOC refresh disc for a DVD5; you'll just get horrible grinding noises as your reward.
The main complaint I have against the Swap Magic 3.3 set is that CD compatibility is a bit hit-and-miss -- there are quite a few CD games that don't work at all. On the other hand, almost no games nowadays are pressed on CD.
And yes, you can change the video output setting with the SM DVD, I've done it myself by playing UEFA Champions League and Dark Cloud PAL in NTSC mode. The y-offset is somewhat off, though.
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NoSldrPs2
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30. March 2005 @ 23:11 |
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And yes, you can change the video output setting with the SM DVD, I've done it myself by playing UEFA Champions League and Dark Cloud PAL in NTSC mode. The y-offset is somewhat off, though.
Well, i bought the SM disc, version 3, and got the CD vers 3.2 and the DVD vers 2.0!!!!
So, i guess they solve the output issue with the DVD vers 3.3...
No i got a small issues with a pair of games, so i wonder if anyone has also this problems:
I have a Nosolder on a V5 PS2, and use SM CD 3.2 to boot, and modify the output to PAL (my NTSC cable suddenly stopped to output to PAL!!! In the PS2 boot menu it has output in colors, but in NTSC games in a PAL TV, it give black & white!!!!!).
Then, i use the DVD vers 2.0 to make a TOC refresh, still in the SM CD menu.
There, i do the swap trick for the game backup, and they do start, but:
- With ACE COMBAT 4, the games after started playing, it freezes!!!!!
I've played it with the NTSC cable and AR2 V2 to boot, and it works fine!!!!!!
- With BURNOUT 3, the game runs, but it just keeps "jumping", so it get really unplayable!!!!
Does anyone has this issues with this games or others????
Or am i doing anything wrong???
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31. March 2005 @ 03:51 |
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As for DVD9/DVD5s, you need a DVD9 to TOC-refresh DVD9s and a DVD5 to TOC-refresh DVD5s, so the whole argument to transfer the Swap Magic set to a DVD9 TOC size is moot. You can try it yourself -- try using Xenosaga Episode I or some other DVD9 game as your TOC refresh disc for a DVD5; you'll just get horrible grinding noises as your reward.
Nah pretense it doesn't work man,the reason why the SM discs only read the first layer.They never really improved on the TOC refresh for the second layer of Dvd9 games.The only way they could make it able to read Dvd+r DL media games would be to upgrade the TOC disc as mentioned.
Ummm...NoSldrPs2 it could be the media you are using or might have something to do with the laser.It might need to be cleaned,and if that doesn't work your laser is getting very weak which is not a good sign.The laser clean is pretty easy,just use a q-tip with rubbing alcohol works like a charm make sure to be carefull when applying pressure to the lense though.That is really all I can think of to be honest for Swap Magic,a Dvd9 TOC for dual layered games.Other than that I am pretty happy with what I got.I don't mind the swaps as long as it can play all my backups.GT4 is the only one that is a problem at the momment,but still it is a pretty good boot source.
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31. March 2005 @ 04:35 |
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Ummm...NoSldrPs2 it could be the media you are using or might have something to do with the laser.It might need to be cleaned,and if that doesn't work your laser is getting very weak which is not a good sign.The laser clean is pretty easy,just use a q-tip with rubbing alcohol works like a charm make sure to be carefull when applying pressure to the lense though.That is really all I can think of to be honest for Swap Magic,a Dvd9 TOC for dual layered games.Other than that I am pretty happy with what I got.I don't mind the swaps as long as it can play all my backups.GT4 is the only one that is a problem at the momment,but still it is a pretty good boot source.
Well, regarding the media or laser issue, i don't think so, because ACE COMBAT 4 works fine with my NTSC cable (in color, before, and now in b&w...), and when using the PAL display method in SM it freezes...
To me it's a SM issue (maybe it can't deal with the high graphic output from the game???)
Regarding BURNOUT 3, i think it might be a media problem, as it does the "jumps" all the time... but it's the only problematic game i had until now... OH!, and SYBERIA 2!!!!!!
I also agree, i prefer to have the SM discs and not have anything soldered inside...
As long as it works with my backups!
By the way, has anyone managed to get GRAN TURISMO 4 to work with SM discs????
How about a "compressed" backup on a "regular" 4 gig DVD????
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31. March 2005 @ 16:45 |
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Yeah I am working on it,just extracted the .VOL files both of them and joined them together.The problem lies in the Dvd checks for real.It has to have a patch to get rid of the Dvd checks to work with Swap Magic or either some deleted values in a hex program.The problem also is the encryption,it isn't familiar with any other game,the Dvd checks.
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31. March 2005 @ 19:13 |
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Anyway, to change output settings (Video mode) you'll need to boot first with the SM CD, not the SM DVD...
So to play a PAL DVD backup (with SM 2.0), insert SM CD, do a TOC refresh with a high TOC DVD, change the video mode to PAL, then use slide card/flip top to swap in the backup, and press x for normal boot.
Correct?
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pretense
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31. March 2005 @ 21:54 |
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You misunderstand me, L-Burna. Like I said before, you need a DVD9 disc to play DVD9s, and a DVD5 to play DVD5s. It is true that the current Swap Magic DVD, which is a DVD5, cannot play DVD9s... but in order to play dual-layer discs, you would have to have a separate DVD9 Swap Magic DVD. Do you understand now? You would have to have three Swap Magic discs instead of two, because the DVD9 Swap Magic would be unable to boot all DVD5 games. And what's the point in having a separate DVD9 disc just to boot a grand total of seven US games which happen to be dual-layer? (GT4, God of War, Kessen 3, Xenosaga, Champions of Norrath, Madden 2005 Collector's Edition, and MGS2: Substance)
Personally, it doesn't make any sense to me to pay for yet another Swap Magic disc, especially since there are working DVD5 rips of all the aforementioned games except for GT4... but maybe that's just me.
Edit: Oops, I forgot The Guy Game... if you can indeed call that a game.
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31. March 2005 @ 22:28 |
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So to play a PAL DVD backup (with SM 2.0), insert SM CD, do a TOC refresh with a high TOC DVD, change the video mode to PAL, then use slide card/flip top to swap in the backup, and press x for normal boot.
Correct?
YEAP!!!
By the way, you forgot the third option (and for me the more secure!): slide card/flip top/NoSolder chip
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1. April 2005 @ 00:17 |
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By the way, you forgot the third option (and for me the more secure!): slide card/flip top/NoSolder chip
Lol. Well, I do have the SBOX but that won't work for my V7 board so I guess that's out lol. I do plan on buying a mod sometime in the near future though.
So I guess without the no solder mod, there is no way of playing a PAL DVD backup. There's gotta be SOMETHING to help. But thanks though.
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1. April 2005 @ 00:37 |
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pretense:Do you understand now?
No I don't get yah,the fact that it would only need two discs the Swap Magic Dvd9 disc,and the Swap Magic CD version.It only takes two discs,since the TOC size would account for Dvd5 as well man.They mentioned it boots all games,so therefore why not make it Dvd9 to boot all games.Besides I am only trying to improve it,not make the same thing numerous times adding something that can easily be added right.Who wants to rip their games all the time,why not have the full game so nothing is tooken out.A rip is when you take something out right.I thought that is what they call dvd rips.Anyways,if you think that there are only like 7 Dvd9 games out,there are alot more including imports.Plus you have to think of the newer games coming out which will probably be Dvd9,since Sony is starting to use the new encryption more and more as they progress.
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1. April 2005 @ 02:45 |
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I don't mind if they launch SM with a 3 disc set!
Just for the records, before i had SM3, i had AR2, and use it to boot, and it worked fine with CD and DVD's!!!.
Now guess what i used with AR2 to do the TOC refresh for DVD's playing????
A PS2 Mag DVD with the Colin Mcrae 3 DEMO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1. April 2005 @ 03:26 |
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Hey NoSldrPs2 I agree man,even it was a three disc set it would still be cool.I highly doubt it would be three discs,but rather two discs though.Just the fact that it could boot Dvd9 games would be a big step in improvement.I would call it a big step in improvement,but I don't think some people like the idea like pretense.If they did make it Dvd9 supported I bet you pretense would buy it no matter what he says.Before I had SM3 I was using the GS2V2 doing swap tricks with the knife method ;).I dumped that method and got Swap Magic with flippy lid,because it works alot better and is alot safer to use.Hey NoSldrPs2 do you remember the Zoneloader for PS2 that was suppose to boot Dvd9 games.I know it was a long time ago,but it had Dvd9 support.The problem was they had trouble marketing it though,it cost too much to have the disc manufactory pressed is what I heard.I still think they could have made a good investment and got the money back which is not what they thought I guess.It is possible to actually have a SM Dvd9 set,but not sure if they will ever reveal a SM Dvd9 set soon.I really do hope so,because ripping the games is not getting easier.It just keeps getting more advanced,and we are starting to lose more stuff from games.
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pretense
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1. April 2005 @ 15:28 |
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They mentioned it boots all games,so therefore why not make it Dvd9 to boot all games. It only takes two discs,since the TOC size would account for Dvd5 as well man.
You can try it yourself. Instead of using a DVD5 original as your TOC-refresher to boot a high-TOC DVD5 game, use a DVD9 original like Xenosaga episode I. a) It won't work properly -- the game may load, but it will most likely still glitch in the unreadable error; and b) Your PS2 will make a horrible grinding sound, most likely deteriorating your laser. On the other hand, you *can* use Xenosaga as a TOC-refresher for other (lower-sized) DVD9s.
I don't pretend to be the world's foremost authority on single- and dual-layer games, but it is most likely not possible to have a DVD9 Swap Magic disc which can refresh both DVD5s and DVD9s. I was told as much myself by more knowledgeable folks before I knew better. Moreover, combine that fact with the reality that an entirely new (and much more expensive) dual-layer press would be needed to manufacture these new (and much more expensive, media-wise) dual-layer discs, and the odds of a DVD9 Swap Magic are almost nil. It's pretty clear that the Swap Magic folks are cheapskates who cut corners to maximize their profits (just look at their "packaging"; not to mention that the Swap Magic discs are not nearly as well-pressed or easy to read as original games), so these new costs (machines and media) would be prohibitively high to them.
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2. April 2005 @ 03:43 |
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Yeah I have to agree with you,the Swap Magic discs do read kinda funny don't they.You are probably right as for it having 3 discs now that I think about it.If they could make it one Dvd9 with the option to switch from Dvd5 to Dvd9 that would be cool as hell,but highly doubt it would ever be created anytime soon.Swap Magic are definately cheapskates,that I definately agree with you.From what I have seen so far there really hasn't been a drastic difference in the new products,just simple one thing add ons though.It would be appreciated if they actually made something for Dvd9 peeps though.
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2. April 2005 @ 23:28 |
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If they could make it one Dvd9 with the option to switch from Dvd5 to Dvd9 that would be cool as hell,but highly doubt it would ever be created anytime soon.
I agree totally. An option to switch between a DVD5 and a DVD9 would most likely cut the cost of making a separate disc too, and making a good buy at the same time. But yeah, they probably won't make one any time soon... I think because they keep releasing new SMD's relatively all the time, they should offer the past customers coupons for half off or something so it's not like we keep shelling out money every time we turn around.
Oh yeah, I was able to boot a game in PAL video mode, although it is an NTSC region backup on an NTSC region console, but that shouldn't make a difference. At least I think so.
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3. April 2005 @ 10:09 |
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shelling out money kinda like the games we used to buy huh? i don't really care people find patches or make them or else just rip stuff dvd extras to fit them on a dvd5 so i don't care, except for gt4. and really you can find these discs for 1 doller china towns etc.
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3. April 2005 @ 21:04 |
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shelling out money kinda like the games we used to buy huh?
lol i didn't mean it that way.
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and really you can find these discs for 1 doller china towns etc.
hahaha are you serious? there's old town china in oregon, in fact i think it's in the portland area or somewhere around there, i haven't been there in a long time it seems. but i feel the need to go there now :p
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4. April 2005 @ 14:08 |
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GT4 cannot be cpied because it is too?
Is that the reason
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4. April 2005 @ 14:08 |
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5. April 2005 @ 08:30 |
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no, because then you'd be able to rip out movies or sth else and it would work, but it doesn't.
There's a special protection which searches for the second layer and hangs if it doesn't find that second layer. Actually it's much more complicated but this way you 'll understand (and so will I :p)
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5. April 2005 @ 16:30 |
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Ofnir1, lol, ya man the discs can be found in china towns since china makes so damn many there worthless down there like 70 cents. you can find those prices in a many of the china towns most likly in your area
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