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DVD -R or +R which is best
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4. April 2005 @ 11:27 |
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P.S. sorry about that posting hoe comment.I stepped over the line on that one.
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kchev
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4. April 2005 @ 11:28 |
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The only thing i have against bitsetting is that it tricks your dvd player into thinking it is a pressed dvd. This is good for compatibility, but bad for playback. The dvd player thinks it is a ROM disc and and adjusts the read speed for a pressed ROM disc instead of a burnt + disc. Personally I prefer -R.
Perfect example: My buddy has an old dvd player and newer dvd player. The old dvd player will not play anything but a bitset +R disc.
The newer dvd player will only play a -R disc. The bitst disc skips and jumps around (probably from playback speed).
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4. April 2005 @ 11:32 |
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Didn't get to be a senior by posting absolute crap.
Could of fooled me. All I see in this thread is Mr. Dandy's lack of knowledge about DVD+R(W) standards and constant one liners about Memorex media.
That is what got my attention. Mr. Dandy's constant slamming of Memorex. He provides no links to "reputable review sites showing problems with Memorex media".
Links such as this http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/177423 just point to other users opinions.
And don't you get to be a senior member by quantity of posts. So maybe his flaming one liners enabled his senior status.
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4. April 2005 @ 11:38 |
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I was a senior member long before that memorex thread,in case you didnt read my post... THAT WAS JUST VENOM AND I HAVING FUN.The one liners stuff in the memorex thread, was in the wrong place,we all realized that after it got out of hand.
You can think what you want, I really dont care.
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4. April 2005 @ 11:41 |
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I find it very interesting, that the only place that you have ever posted is on this thread, and just to attack me..hmmmmmmmmm a new name perhaps?
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4. April 2005 @ 12:08 |
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Ok Salem...seeing as though you want to start something by just joining up on AfterDawn and looking for problems, give me alittle bit and I will get you the information that you are looking for.
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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4. April 2005 @ 12:08 |
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Sorry...double post.
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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4. April 2005 @ 12:14 |
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That is what got my attention. Mr. Dandy's constant slamming of Memorex. He provides no links to "reputable review sites showing problems with Memorex media".
the main problem with memorex media is that they have alot of different media ids, mostly CMC. most people including me, like to spend their hard earned money on quality discs and ones they know the media code of.
that is also why alot of people buy online also.
example: buy MIJ fuji and you will get Taiyo Yuden
i used to use alot of memorex also until i got some bad spindles and started reading in here and other forums. go to other forums and memorex will get slammed also. people here just try to help, but in the end, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
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4. April 2005 @ 12:20 |
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Up until recently(2004) I always used the -R format as the common perception was that this format was more compatible with a larger percentage of stand alone dvd players. Nothing got to do with quality just compatibility. Things may indeed have changed over the last 12 months with the newer dvd players capable of handling both formats equally well. However it would appear from a sales basis anyway that -R are still the bigger seller.
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4. April 2005 @ 12:21 |
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Jim,
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P.S. sorry about that posting hoe comment.I stepped over the line on that one.
No sweat man...as a matter of fact, I have that as my away message in the IRC chat room! LMAO!!!
Everyone definately agrees with that one!
And no problem with the back up. BTW, I made a couple of "calls" to some people!
Anyways, salem, I would HIGHLY suggest that instead of pinpointing your aggressions on Jim, you make a good approach and say what you need to say without singling one person out. You don't have to agree, just make your comment, but not to attack his knowledge. I mean, what the hell is that about? He never said that he knew everything, it was just his opinion. Also, it was really great the way you just bursted in here and sounded off towards him after the thread not moving for at least 7 days. You want documentation...you will definately be getting that soon enough!
In the meantime:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/172030
Have a nice day!
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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4. April 2005 @ 12:39 |
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SalemMeow, are you from Salem, Massachuttses because it seems you are on a witch hunt here!! jim_dandy doesn't have to prove anything but you do because your a newbie!! if jim_dandy was spewwing crap it would be unlikely he would be a senior as nobody would listen to him. no body is perfect not even the old man upstairs. there is a saying "respect your elders" & until you are acknowledged with knowledge by the other people of this site, you might want to keep your tongue between your teeth!!
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4. April 2005 @ 12:41 |
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SalemMeow, if you continue to spout a load of crap about our members, then you will have to be prepared to get an awful lot of flack from the rest of us.
This is a nice little club we have here. We answer peoples questions (however dumb they may appear!). One thing we do is respect one and other. You fail to have comprehended that. Memorex media sucks. End of story. If it works for you, fine, just don't recommend them, or say they are OK.
I suggest that you either apologize to Jim dandy, or go crawl under the rock you came from. We do not like jackasses like you spoiling things. You need to grow up & learn respect.
I guess that you will have a go at me. Be my guest. You will only live to regret it. If you apologize I MAY remove part of this post.
Be a man. Jim_Dandy certainly is. He does not need to go into peurile, ill educated rants to make a point.
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4. April 2005 @ 12:56 |
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SalemMeow I do not know what JD did to get your "kitty hairs" up, because he gave out good information just as he always has. If you prefer Memorex that is your opinion, a lot of people have found out through using this brand that it is crap. I bought one spindle and ended up throwing out over a third. Most people want consistency in the brand media they use, Memorex does not make a consistent product. Members here only recommend the best brands they know, and we should be grateful they do, otherwise your just going to throw away your money.
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4. April 2005 @ 14:48 |
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"Another one bites the dust".
Some people never learn!
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4. April 2005 @ 15:05 |
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LISTEN UP CUT THE CRAP, I'M SICK OF THE FLAMING YOU GUYS ARE DOING/ or attempting
My 2 cents worth on this topic:
its your choice:
DVD Formats Explained
When DVD technology first appeared in households, users were simply popping DVD discs into their DVD players to watch movies - an option to the then-conventional VCR. But just as compact disc technology evolved so that users could record and erase and re-record data onto compact discs, the same is now true of DVDs. But with so many different formats -- DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD-ROM -- how do users know which DVD format is compatible with their existing systems, and why are there so many different formats for DVDs? The following information sheds some light on DVD's different flavors, the differences between them and the incompatibility issues that the differing technologies have sprouted.
The crucial difference among the standards is based on which manufacturers adhere to which standards. Similar to the old VHS/Beta tape wars when VCRs first hit the markets, different manufacturers support different standards.
DVD+R and DVD+RW
DVD+R and DVD+RW formats are supported by Philips, Sony, Hewlett-Packard, Dell, Ricoh, Yamaha and others.
DVD+R is a recordable DVD format similar to CD-R. A DVD+R can only record data once and then the data becomes permanent on the disc. The disc can not be recorded onto a second time.
DVD+RW is a re-recordable format similar to CD-RW. The data on a DVD+RW disc can be erased and recorded over numerous times without damaging the medium.
DVDs created by a +R/+RW device can be read by most commercial DVD-ROM players.
DVD-R, DVD-RW and DVD-RAM
These formats are supported by Panasonic, Toshiba, Apple Computer, Hitachi, NEC, Pioneer, Samsung and Sharp. These formats are also supported by the DVD Forum.
DVD-R is a recordable DVD format similar to CD-R and DVD+R. A DVD-R can only record data once and then the data becomes permanent on the disc. The disc can not be recorded onto a second time. There also are two additional standards for DVD-R disks: DVD-RG for general use, and DVD-RA for authoring, which is used for mastering DVD video or data and is not typically available to the general public.
DVD-RW is a re-recordable format similar to CD-RW or DVD+RW. The data on a DVD-RW disc can be erased and recorded over numerous times without damaging the medium.
DVDs created by a -R/-RW device can be read by most commercial DVD-ROM players.
DVD-RAM discs can be recorded and erased repeatedly but are only compatible with devices manufactured by the companies that support the DVD-RAM format. DVD-RAM discs are typically housed in cartridges.
DVD-ROM
DVD-ROM was the first DVD standard to hit the market and is a read-only format. The video or game content is burned onto the DVD once and the DVD will run on any DVD-ROM-equipped device.
heres a link for futher study:
http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html
but remember it is your choice.
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4. April 2005 @ 16:23 |
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Try to help. look what happens! SalemMeow started something he could not finish. I do not like flame wars as much as the next. I will not sit & see one of my friends being slagged off by ANYONE.
I posted a couple of interesting links for people to read, pull of good info from learned folk to try to throw some light. I will not bother in the future.
Pulsar.
That is MY choice
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4. April 2005 @ 16:26 |
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@ SalemMeow
You mess with one of us you mess with all of us and I happen to have a ban button as you've just found out.
I honestly don't see what the point of arguing which format is better since the differences are academic. In actual use there's hardly a lick of difference between the two and most problems stem from old or fussy hardware anyway.
All things considered neither is better and neither is worse - they're just different :)
My killer sig came courtesy of bb "El Jefe" mayo.
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4. April 2005 @ 18:07 |
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OK my 2 penny's :-)
Hi,
There really isn?t a big difference in the type of DVD you would use + or- . It all boils down to personal preference or what most DVD?s players you own will support. If your stand alone DVD players are newer (within 2 years) chances are they will read either + or ? just fine. The most important factor when deciding media would be the brand or the manufacturer of the disc. This is a confusing one and talked about in depth all over the forum. So my recommendations to you would be these disks. Most will agree with this.. I hope :-)
Buying Online
Taiyo Yuden (genuine TY?s there are fakes out there so beware)
Ritek G04 brand these would be the x4 disks again beware of fakes
Prodisc 2nd class media, but newer media x8 seems to work well for people
Buying at the store (Best Buy, Office Depot, Wal-Mart ect.)
Fuji film ? Manufactured by Taiyo Yuden, MCC, Ricoh Japan, Prodisc, Fuji Film all fairly good manufacturers
Maxell ? Manufactured by Maxwell, Ritek, RicohJapan, Taiyo Yuden
TDK ? Manufactured by TDK, Ritek, RicohJapan, Maxwell, MCC, CMC Beware of the CMC brand
Verbatim ? MCC, CMC, TY, RicohJapan, Ritek again beware of CMC which it seems Verbatim is using more frequently lately.
Sony - RicohJapan, MCC, Sony
Note: A good rule of thumb when purchasing your media in the store is to look for ?made in Japan or Singapore? stay away from ?made in Taiwan or Hong Kong? When buying online always try and get ?Branded? media this way you can be sure you are getting the genuine article. There is an exception to that rule and it would be Taiyo Yuden disks. You just need to buy from a reputable dealer when buying online. Here are a few I have bought from with good experience. Of course it isn?t going to be the same for everyone.
Supermediastore.com ? Rated number 1 just about anywhere you look.
Rima.com ? Fast and cheap good service
Mertline.com ? Little slower on shipping, but quality media
Ones you should stay clear of
Shop4tech.com ? Let?s just say you get what you pay for.. I received fake TY?s from them
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4. April 2005 @ 18:11 |
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Good reply, bbmayo.
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4. April 2005 @ 19:51 |
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It's all good Jim.
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4. April 2005 @ 20:40 |
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And Ya all wonder why I get so freakin crabby,
I am called AFTER the fun is done :(
He was OK on the difference between +R and -R but it's so ancient now that I didn't understand what brought it up to begin with BUT what the Hey . . .
Next time guys, call me before Dave gets his mallet out.
I would have thought all of you would have had the link that BB copied from. Put it in your favorites - it covers everything about DVD's you'd ever wish to know and then some.
They are a little slow about the DL stuff, I've got to check them out on that BUT iffin' you're going to answer question about our type of work - you need this type of stuff in your arsenal.
Yet again, here are the ones you should have to flatten little "tweebs" like our dear departed baby boy:
DigitalFAQ.com
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
DVD Demystified
http://dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.3
Cheers all,
Pete
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4. April 2005 @ 23:58 |
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7. April 2005 @ 21:09 |
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In my own double blind scientifically correct study we found the following results of certain media. (ie: 1 person judging panel, me)
Viewing a 4xDVD-R and 4xDVD+R produced equally visually stunning results for our participant audience and judging panel(um, that would be me in both cases). Having no stand alone player, I have no preference of format. However, after sending a friend a copy of a recent vacation on DVD+R, it locked up his stand alone DVD player. Therefore, I have decided to copy only on DVD-R from here on out (for consistency and share-ablity with him).
The study has statistical error rate of +/- (does it matter which) of 3 percent.
As for brands: Memorex has been used with much success (50 of 50 burned successfully). TDK was on sale this month at BestBuy, and seems to be doing just fine as well (despite being from Taiwan). The 150 items of no name silver faced 4x -R media I got from eBay at 10 cents each worked marvelous too (perhaps about 5-10 were rejects).
Of course, you'll all think me to be a crackpot and may question my judgement anyways since I still use DVDxCOPY Platinum to make my copies (and still like it very much). Until DVD DL becomes more reasonably priced, I think I'll keep the method of my madness.
Thanks for all your guys input though, it is enlightening to say the least.
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8. April 2005 @ 00:29 |
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Technically speaking, the +R/+RW will write/burn 2-4 times faster and better than the -R/-RW. You'll be okay if your dvd writer and home dvd player are capable of +R/+RW then it should be smooth. However, the -R/-RW are gaining more customers for those whom especially has an older dvd players. In contrast, it all depends on what kind of brands/company they're made from. Honestly, I prefer TDK, SONY, FUJI and lastly MAXELL.
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8. April 2005 @ 23:51 |
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I have to say, that after researching about dvd-r and dvd+r that dvd-r is the best, it is more compatible with most stand alone dvd players. I have tried loads of different discs and found Branded Ritek DVD-r to be the most compatible. They even play on my Rotel DVD player which isn't even meant to play any dvd's other than originals.
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