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GT4 Burning Issues
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Mikdog
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20. May 2005 @ 10:47 |
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@dakillz
No worries, nice to try it out though. Oh well, you're in the same boat as the millions of us DVD5'ers then! Don't lose hope! Perhaps PARADOX or someone will have a EUREKA moment and release a patch.
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speccyfan
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20. May 2005 @ 10:59 |
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Don't want to be 'mr negative' or anything but you won't be able to use swap magic with gt4 ever,they released the new version after gt4 and it doesn't support it and with the amount of hassle it would take to put this on a dvd5,it might happen one day,but by then the ps3 will be out and everyone'll wan't gt vision(or whatever it's called,looks bloody amazing tho!),
this game was made specifically for a dvd9 (and not just using the extra space with no otp check which most dvd9 games do which makes it easier to rip the movies),it will check the size of each batch of files for size,and check whether it is on the correct layer,which is why the pro-hackers have just changed the path check and kept it a dvd9,these people have the guts of a ps2 rigged up to an analysis computer that reads every single piece of code thrown out by the ps2,and they can make patches for the chips just by changing any pieces of code that are in the way of loading the game,if it were possible to get it on a dvd5 these people would have done it by now,and for them not to do it,it's got to be one huge pain in the arse as these people do it for a living.
Just buy a dms4-easy install,no soldering,honestly,it aint rocket science,just remember to take care when removing the thin cable strips from the drive cos they can be a bit fiddley,and all those with a slim ps2,should've got a real one cos i don't think there's any room in there for a chip and swap magic is shite(tried it before getting my dms3),as for GT4,top game,dvd5 aint gonna happen,live in the now,stop torturing yourself,bring on the ps3
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20. May 2005 @ 11:39 |
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Speccyfan, I cannot say that I fully agree with everything you've said there but you've raised some valid points.
Firstly note one thing. If you extract each vol file individually, using a vol extracter, you'll notice they're almost identical. Merge them together before extracting and you get a filesize almost identical to the individual ones. Why? Not sure, but what I do know is that the more of the layer-1 vol you get on the disk the further you get in the game. So why is this do you think? I think there is a whole lot more to explore of this matter and it's far from dead and buried. I can think of a lot more questions I could ask, but there's too many to waste space in this thread for.
Secondly, look around the web and you will find that there are modchips for the slim PS2. The "PSTwo Slim Kit Pro Set" for example is a solderless chip specifically designed for the slim ps2.
OK that's it for now but please feel free to tell me I'm wrong if you like!! I'm thick skinned you know!!
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dakillz
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20. May 2005 @ 12:06 |
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It dont really matter if I cant get it working cos I can get 98% of my games working with Swapmagic, and there are some pretty high res videos, and quite a few tracks of music of a high bitrate on the original DVD9 so if they could be removed in combination to an oversized DVD5 (hopefully wouldnt need to be oversized though) it should be achievable with swap magic and a large TOC refresh, it's easy to say get a modchip, but when it first appeared that only the DMS4 with Toxic OS was the way to play a GT4 backup the whole world didnt change modchips for 1 game, and after a few weeks a patcher came out. So i live in hope. Besides I have the original GT4 and only want to make a backup so it's not like I cant play it, just not my backup - unless there are people trying to make pirate copies work ;)
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samuels
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20. May 2005 @ 14:11 |
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which is why the pro-hackers have just changed the path check and kept it a dvd9,these people have the guts of a ps2 rigged up to an analysis computer that reads every single piece of code thrown out by the ps2,and they can make patches for the chips just by changing any pieces of code that are in the way of loading the game,if it were possible to get it on a dvd5 these people would have done it by now,and for them not to do it,it's got to be one huge pain in the arse as these people do it for a living. [Quote]
what rubbish!!! about pro-hackers,obviously you don't know a hacker *G*
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samuels
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20. May 2005 @ 14:15 |
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sharky23............Hmmmmm i recall you got banned (sharky 22)bit obvious isn't it mate.
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20. May 2005 @ 14:46 |
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speccyfan
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20. May 2005 @ 16:47 |
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sorry samuels didn't realise you worked for dms,i suppose they've just got some little nerd locked in a room that can watch a ps2 disc spinning and tell them how to crack it,and i suppose they just guess where to put the wires when testing their new mod chips,how else would they be able to crack the loading sequence if it wasn't rigged up to a seperate computer,it's only logical,and no i don't know any hackers,i just know that there are people with a lot more ps2 knowledge than you or i and they have the answers we are looking for but obviousley don't think we're worthy enough to have the information.and for the other bloke with the slim ps2,i've been looking for a decent mod chip for my mates slim ps2 and gave up about a month ago,didn't realise they had released one,my mistake,i'd be grateful if you could put the website up :)
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20. May 2005 @ 16:48 |
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which is why the pro-hackers have just changed the path check and kept it a dvd9,these people have the guts of a ps2 rigged up to an analysis computer that reads every single piece of code thrown out by the ps2,and they can make patches for the chips just by changing any pieces of code that are in the way of loading the game,if it were possible to get it on a dvd5 these people would have done it by now,and for them not to do it,it's got to be one huge pain in the arse as these people do it for a living.
One thing most people forget, most of these crackers and hackers do not do this for a living, and the majority of times nowadays, its groups like this that do the cracking. People like most of us here who have a positive attitude and are prepared to work together as a team to solve these problems instead of saying things like "Forget it it's impossible because nobody's done it yet...." They said that about getting GT4 to backup in the first place. Do you think we'd have got this far if we'd given up as soon as someone said it can't be done?
Damn! I think I should get off my soap box now! Long live the PS2!
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20. May 2005 @ 17:20 |
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Speccyfan seems to have developed an attitude all of a sudden. If you are that determined that it can never be done, then why are you still using this thread? Sorry if I'm being a little forward here, but everyone else here is trying to help.
As far as Slim PS2 modchips, it depends on where you're from. Try googling for "Slim PS2 modchip" and you'd be surprised. Magic 5k is available from http://www.modchipnow.com/product_info.php/products_id/108?osCsid...
So even though I don't share your point of view, I am still prepared to help where I can.
My opinions come with no warranty whatsoever, but are totally open-source, so you can reverse engineer or decompile them as you see fit. All other rights reserved.
"Freedom" in the west consists of: Freedom of speech, freedom of opinion and freedom of movement. So why is it then, that people want to know what youre saying, what you think of them and where you are going?
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samuels
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20. May 2005 @ 17:41 |
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sorry samuels didn't realise you worked for dms,i suppose they've just got some little nerd locked in a room that can watch a ps2 disc spinning and tell them how to crack it,and i suppose they just guess where to put the wires when testing their new mod chips,how else would they be able to crack the loading sequence if it wasn't rigged up to a seperate computer,it's only logical,and no i don't know any hackers,i just know that there are people with a lot more ps2 knowledge than you or i and they have the answers we are looking for but obviousley don't think we're worthy enough to have the information.and for the other bloke with the slim ps2,i've been looking for a decent mod chip for my mates slim ps2 and gave up about a month ago,didn't realise they had released one,my mistake,i'd be grateful if you could put the website up :) [Quote]
hey mate sit back...take a deep breath...innnnn....outtttt....and think what your bloody saying,it's ridiculous,heres a little hint,not all, but some of these crackers are ex employees of software companies...I.E games development and the likes.or very experienced computer programmers/hackers and electrical engineers combined.the only other exception to this is people like us on here that are interested IN LEARNING and do this for a HOBBY...take your attitude else where,maybe your local watering hole would be advisable
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ps22man
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20. May 2005 @ 20:21 |
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i obviously know that gt4 was on a dl disc which screws up convetional back ups. but why cant u put it on a dl. i backed up a game on a dvd+ and it wokred so why would dvd+ dl????
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samuels
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20. May 2005 @ 21:54 |
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i obviously know that gt4 was on a dl disc which screws up convetional back ups. but why cant u put it on a dl. i backed up a game on a dvd+ and it wokred so why would dvd+ dl???? [Quote]
am i understanding your post correctly? you put another game(not GT4) on to a dvd5 + disc?well PS2's can usually play the 2 +/- because in the dvd5 discs the format is really no different(very minimal...if any) different with a dual layer,because it holds almost twice the capacity of a dvd5 and from varying reports from this forum...some mods can't handle the reading of a backed up dual layered disc,reports saying it's the way the game was written...IE OTP/PTP generally speaking though in answer to your question there is really no difference from +/- discs
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sick_unit
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20. May 2005 @ 22:53 |
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@ simpsim1
You said to extract layer 0 using apache and make an .iso. The problem is i cant seem to find out how to make an .iso of layer 0. When i open up the .iso og GT4 then click on create iso it says "No CD/DVD Drive selected" and when i do select the CD/DVD drive Apache closes.
Could you please help me out.
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21. May 2005 @ 00:05 |
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@Sick_unit. I apologise for that. These were instructions from someone else and are not too accurate. I will check more closely before posting next time.
I've tried this last night and couldn't get it to work so might not be good. If you still want to have a go though, it might work for you.
I had to use IsoBuster to make the first layer iso. I opened the iso file in IsoBuster, then right-clicked on the red iso label and selected "extract GRANTURISMO4" (Or whatever your version is labelled). IsoBuster only seems to recognise the first layer. That's how I've done it myself before. Filesize should be around the 2.5Gb mark if it's right.
My opinions come with no warranty whatsoever, but are totally open-source, so you can reverse engineer or decompile them as you see fit. All other rights reserved.
"Freedom" in the west consists of: Freedom of speech, freedom of opinion and freedom of movement. So why is it then, that people want to know what youre saying, what you think of them and where you are going?
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21. May 2005 @ 00:06 |
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@Sick_unit. I apologise for that. These were instructions from someone else and are not too accurate. I will check more closely before posting next time.
I've tried this last night and couldn't get it to work so might not be good. If you still want to have a go though, it might work for you.
I had to use IsoBuster to make the first layer iso. I opened the iso file in IsoBuster, then right-clicked on the red iso label and selected "extract GRANTURISMO4" (Or whatever your version is labelled). IsoBuster only seems to recognise the first layer. That's how I've done it myself before. Filesize should be around the 2.5Gb mark if it's right.
My opinions come with no warranty whatsoever, but are totally open-source, so you can reverse engineer or decompile them as you see fit. All other rights reserved.
"Freedom" in the west consists of: Freedom of speech, freedom of opinion and freedom of movement. So why is it then, that people want to know what youre saying, what you think of them and where you are going?
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21. May 2005 @ 00:06 |
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@Sick_unit. I apologise for that. These were instructions from someone else and are not too accurate. I will check more closely before posting next time.
I've tried this last night and couldn't get it to work so might not be good. If you still want to have a go though, it might work for you.
I had to use IsoBuster to make the first layer iso. I opened the iso file in IsoBuster, then right-clicked on the red iso label and selected "extract GRANTURISMO4" (Or whatever your version is labelled). IsoBuster only seems to recognise the first layer. That's how I've done it myself before. Filesize should be around the 2.5Gb mark if it's right.
My opinions come with no warranty whatsoever, but are totally open-source, so you can reverse engineer or decompile them as you see fit. All other rights reserved.
"Freedom" in the west consists of: Freedom of speech, freedom of opinion and freedom of movement. So why is it then, that people want to know what youre saying, what you think of them and where you are going?
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21. May 2005 @ 00:07 |
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oops sorry about the multiple post!!
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Mikdog
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21. May 2005 @ 03:14 |
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Hey, at least you;re trying! :)
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Mikdog
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21. May 2005 @ 05:54 |
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Anyone know whether a Liteon SOHW-1673S will do the trick in terms of burning a DVD DL disc with GT4?
Thanks for any replies
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samuels
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21. May 2005 @ 07:35 |
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Anyone know whether a Liteon SOHW-1673S will do the trick in terms of burning a DVD DL disc with GT4? [Quote]
if it's a dual layer burner?,looking at the numbers it is? it will burn it no hassles
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Mikdog
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21. May 2005 @ 08:01 |
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Thanks man.
There haven't been ussies with some DL DVD Burners not being able to burn GT4, have there?
Cheers
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joe_ms
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21. May 2005 @ 09:50 |
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I have now been searching for a solution to the problem but cannot find any.
I have a pstwo with dms4pro with installed ToxicOS v. 0.3
I am trying to burn Gran Turismo 4 [PS2][PAL][DVD9][Multi5][www.pctorrent.com] on a Lite-On SOHW 1673S
everything works untill I have created a savegame... then it won't go any further.
if anyone with the same equipment as I has found a solution please let me know....!!!
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21. May 2005 @ 10:02 |
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Hmmm! Way too many questions, not enough answers and I'm absolutely exhausted.
Gonna take a day or so break from this. Will pop back soon.
Peace all!!
My opinions come with no warranty whatsoever, but are totally open-source, so you can reverse engineer or decompile them as you see fit. All other rights reserved.
"Freedom" in the west consists of: Freedom of speech, freedom of opinion and freedom of movement. So why is it then, that people want to know what youre saying, what you think of them and where you are going?
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speccyfan
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21. May 2005 @ 10:45 |
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Sorry bout the attitude all :),just watched star wars and my misses is pregnant,think i'm being taken over by the dark side,hehe.
i was only talking about the mod-chip guys who develop the chips,the amount of money they make from selling them around the world,well,i'd call that a healthy living,and they still have to find a way of patching the bios of the ps2 which does take considerable knowledge,and many other forums say that the toxic team works in conjunction with dms(but i don't know if thats true),i've been trying since the last(official gt4)thread to get this on to a dvd5,and i agree it's not impossible(bad wording last time),just is until a .vol extractor can be found,which is why i still check in on the thread,i'm simply waiting for a .vol file extractor as i have been since the last thread,and as i'm not smart enough to make one,i'll have to wait for somebody that is.Plus i get a buzz out of people saying 'thanks, you just saved me a coaster',i'm a nice guy really,and i said months ago that it was a ptp-otp check(as did lots of others)that was stopping the dvd9 backup and never thought for a million years it was impossible,i got all sorts of shit for that and it's still looking like i was right(still undetermined what the toxic patch actually does as nobody's been able to hack it),sorry for repeating myself again but.....we need to join these .vol files and extract them,only then can we chop them down and make a dvd5 of this game,then we can find out whether or not it will check for anything else,which by the sounds of some people getting 'as much as possible'on the disk and the game loads further,looks like there are no other checks,so it's just a case of downsizing the movies,i'm trying to modify the GTFS (gran turismo filing system),that was used in gt3 to read gt4's .vol files,but i don't know what i'm doing,but i believe this is the only way forward as whoever made the GTFS ,hasn't made one for gt4,this would be where to start to back this sucker up dvd5 style,
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