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GT4 Burning Issues
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Alex_K
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21. May 2005 @ 11:26 |
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Hi all,
Well tried the trick with Swap magic I mentioned earlier. No luck I am afraid. I copied the first part of the DVD with Cyberlink DVD procducer Gold and It run on the PS2 but then the dual layer D9 would not run. I am going to try it with a hard disk now...
Alex
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samuels
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21. May 2005 @ 12:27 |
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Thanks man.
There haven't been ussies with some DL DVD Burners not being able to burn GT4, have there?
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i'm an aussie and have had success,there have been quite a few others as well,the most important thing to remember IS to patch EITHER the MDS. or the ISO(only patch the one....not both)and being a liteon you can set the book type in decrypter.
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samuels
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21. May 2005 @ 12:36 |
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i said months ago that it was a ptp-otp check(as did lots of others)that was stopping the dvd9 backup and never thought for a million years it was impossible,i got all sorts of shit for that and it's still looking like i was right(still undetermined what the toxic patch actually does as nobody's been able to hack it),sorry for repeating myself again but.....we need to join these .vol files and extract them,only then can we chop them down and make a dvd5 of this game,then we can find out whether or not it will check for anything else,which by the sounds of some people getting 'as much as possible'on the disk and the game loads further,looks like there are no other checks,so it's just a case of downsizing the movies,i'm trying to modify the GTFS (gran turismo filing system),that was used in gt3 to read gt4's .vol files,but i don't know what i'm doing,but i believe this is the only way forward as whoever made the GTFS ,hasn't made one for gt4,this would be where to start to back this sucker up dvd5 style, [Quote]
like i said awhile ago...it's not OTP/PTP related,you say OTP/PTP checked,it's actually the .VOL and iopr 300.img.now someone will correct me if i'm wrong here,but did any one actually sit and watch decrypter burn? i did and it didn't write onto the second layer,even though it says it did after you check the b/up in decrypter.when you burn with decrypter it tells you when it's starting to burn on the second layer and it didn't on mine and my b/up works flawlessly..weird but true.
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sasasj
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21. May 2005 @ 12:40 |
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I burned the patched image with DVD Decrypter in a dual layer dvd+r disk (Verbatim) but when i put it in ps2 it makes a noise like trying to read the disk. Finaly it says that it is not a valid ps2 disk. I am using swap magic 3.6 and all other games work perfectly.
Can my ps2 read dual disks? I have it for about 3 years now. Is there ant chance that it is old and not compatible with dual disks.
Thanks in advance.
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samuels
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21. May 2005 @ 12:50 |
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I burned the patched image with DVD Decrypter in a dual layer dvd+r disk (Verbatim) but when i put it in ps2 it makes a noise like trying to read the disk. Finaly it says that it is not a valid ps2 disk. I am using swap magic 3.6 and all other games work perfectly.
Can my ps2 read dual disks? I have it for about 3 years now. Is there ant chance that it is old and not compatible with dual disks.
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i'm not 100% sure but i think your chip type has been mentioned on here as a chip incompatible with the patched GT4 b/up...i could be wrong,but some one with your kind of chip will give you a definate answer.but by the sounds of things it doesn't, especially if you can here your PS2 trying to read.if you did it properely b/up GT4 then your b/up should be fully functional..so don't throw it away, try it on someone else PS2 with a newer chip...
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speccyfan
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21. May 2005 @ 13:35 |
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samuels,when you say 'watch it burn'i assume youre watching the blocks that are being written,is it possible that as a burnt disk,it just runs a continuous burn path out then changes the laser depth and continues back again without seeming to stop,(otherwise known as otp,as i'm sure you know),it would create 1 track on two layers,yes?
where as the original game runs the path out from centre then starts from the centre again for the second layer,i assume that this is remedied by telling the disk to read layer two at the next block after layer one has finished so that it doesn't search the start of the disk for the second layer,anyway,i'm probably wrong,yet again!,so i'll leave it at that,
swap magic users..has anyone tried burning the first layer on to a dvd5 and the second layer on a seperate dvd and just swapping them over using the slide tool?,it's a lot of hassle but it'll solve some questions i have.
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sasasj
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21. May 2005 @ 13:50 |
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swap magic users..has anyone tried burning the first layer on to a dvd5 and the second layer on a seperate dvd and just swapping them over using the slide tool?,it's a lot of hassle but it'll solve some questions i have.
I could try this, but i dont know how to burn this way. If you could explain how, i ll try it and post the result.
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samuels
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21. May 2005 @ 14:15 |
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samuels,when you say 'watch it burn'i assume youre watching the blocks that are being written,is it possible that as a burnt disk,it just runs a continuous burn path out then changes the laser depth and continues back again without seeming to stop,(otherwise known as otp,as i'm sure you know),it would create 1 track on two layers,yes?
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:) not actually watch the blocks being burn't no,but watching when the burn usually swaps to burn on next layer...usually at about 60% of the disc,this did'nt occur at any stage of the disc write,so i'm assuming it's all on one layer,but as i said before,put it in decrypter and it says it has been written on 2 layers..like i said weird.
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21. May 2005 @ 15:16 |
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I must be an addict, I can't keep away from this thing even though it frustrates the hell out of me!
Speccyfan it's great to have your positive input again. Great stuff. Yeah I've tried using a slide card with layer-0 and layer-1 on seperate disks. It doesn't work on the patched DVD. I made it work on the unpatched one a couple of times but the sheer amount of times I was swapping the disks made the whole thing pretty much unbearable.
Has anyone had any contact with any guys who perhaps ARE working on a vol extractor? Or are most of the good crackers off playing their DVD-9 copies? (Joke!) Like it or not, the big guys have gone for the easiest solution and said "Bugger it" to the rest of us.
I challenge anyone with the brainpower and kit to have a go at this and prove me wrong. Otherwise its down to the likes of us here, working with what we've got, which just seems to take us round in circles.
Bring on the GEEKS!!
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samuels
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21. May 2005 @ 15:31 |
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Has anyone had any contact with any guys who perhaps ARE working on a vol extractor? Or are most of the good crackers off playing their DVD-9 copies? (Joke!) Like it or not, the big guys have gone for the easiest solution and said "Bugger it" to the rest of us.
I challenge anyone with the brainpower and kit to have a go at this and prove me wrong. Otherwise its down to the likes of us here, working with what we've got, which just seems to take us round in circles.
Bring on the GEEKS!! [Quote]
no all the big time crackers haven't given up..i'm sure the great sonix and a fella called darethin8 or something to that effect would still be working on it....they are the honest ones...if it can't be done they will tell you so...straight up.you just might have to wait a bit,there is one fella i haven't seen for quite some time is BBS_2002 one of the best in his time.also i haven't seen l-burna about much,so i dare say he is working flat out on looking for a fix on this one,remember the old saying....nothing is impossible :)
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21. May 2005 @ 15:37 |
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Guys I do hope we can lay this OTP/PTP thing to rest eventually. In some ways I believe OTP is partly an issue. This is why..
When a dual-layer disk is written OTP, the disk is treated as one contiguous track (Windows filesystem has yet to figure this one out I think) as opposed to two seperate tracks as is the case with PTP (Two seperate lead-in/outs). This is most likely why a GT4 on a patched DVD-5 with more data squeezed onto it loads further than just the single layer alone. Do you agree so far?
From that, I can deduce that the IOPRP300.IMG contains one or more disk checks that look for a second track on the disk, something lacking on the backed-up DVD-9. Toxic's patch simply gets rid of that/those check(s).
So in a way it IS OTP! But in another, its the disk checks. Either way, toxic sorted that one. As I said before, easiest solution.
One thing to watch out for though. I tried removing the "EPSON" Folder and replaced it with dummy files (200Mb saved), rebuilt layer-0 with cdvdgen and joined with layer-1 iso. Now this gave me an extra 200Mb from the 2nd vol file but in doing so, rendered the toxic patch inoperative (Froze after copyright). Am not sure if this is because of the removed files or the rebuilding of the iso. I may have to sacrifice another coaster for the cause or it will be useless trying to break down the vol files if rebuilding is gonna deactivate the patch.
Ideas anyone?
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samuels
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21. May 2005 @ 16:10 |
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One thing to watch out for though. I tried removing the "EPSON" Folder and replaced it with dummy files (200Mb saved), rebuilt layer-0 with cdvdgen and joined with layer-1 iso. Now this gave me an extra 200Mb from the 2nd vol file but in doing so, rendered the toxic patch inoperative (Froze after copyright). Am not sure if this is because of the removed files or the rebuilding of the iso. I may have to sacrifice another coaster for the cause or it will be useless trying to break down the vol files if rebuilding is gonna deactivate the patch.
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don't patch it with toxics patch,try using PPF-Omatic patches,or the ones originally supplied by toolboy from his kits,see how that goes,there must be other files you could get rid of isn't there with out touching the VOL. files? i noticed quite a few files,that may of been of no use in the main folder,it was epson printer related,don't know how much more it will reduce the size.i also believe you could get rid of a couple of other folders and make dummies for,sounds easy i know,but as you and i both know it's not :)
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evnflow
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21. May 2005 @ 16:27 |
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hi...been watching and reading...you said you need a .vol extractor right? what about modifying or possibly using the .vol extractor that Darthi8nt and Sonix created for Grand turismo 4's movies...just a thought...
Dolla Dolla Bill Ya'll
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speccyfan
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21. May 2005 @ 19:51 |
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right ,the gtfs(bloody hard to find i might add),does extract the .vol file(you have to rename it GT3.VOL tho) and give you a normal looking directory with all the sub-directories and files (although i'm advised that the coding in these files is different),it does tell you which directories are in the .vol file tho,so it is at least an indication as to what files are to be gotten rid of,ive only tried the .vol on layer one and it had>sound,movies,etc folders,one thing that was interesting tho is that i took out all the files that were in the JP (japanese support) folders and put it back together using the rebuilding program that came with gtfs and the .vol file was approx 1gb smaller,it didn't work when i put all the game files(plus the modified .vol file)in the same directory,not even a boot up screen,but...i think if we strip just the .vol 1 file(on the second layer),it might work because i reckon it needs the full size of layer one to run but the size of layer two is irrelevent,not sure which patch will have to be applied,probably the toolboy one as i'm sure he said he removed the .vol size checks,i'll get to work on it anyway,got to be worth a shot i suppose
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evnflow
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21. May 2005 @ 21:53 |
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if that doesn't work cuz i know rebuilding it should place the files where they need to be but after rebuilding is there anyway of setting the files back up in the order they appear on the original before burning to a dvd-5(except for the files that aren't needed)
Dolla Dolla Bill Ya'll
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evnflow
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21. May 2005 @ 22:01 |
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www.ps2hd.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-520.html
this should be the site for the vol extractor...
Dolla Dolla Bill Ya'll
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speccyfan
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22. May 2005 @ 00:05 |
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F**KING DANCER!!,knew someone would make a vol file extractor eventually,i just been up all night trying different methods and now i'm gonna be able to do it properly with the help of this little beauty,i haven't tried it yet as i've got to re-do the image now(only just got the .vol file extractor,but the earlier tests i done with the second layer indicated that toolboys patch was probably needed after ripping ;o)
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speccyfan
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22. May 2005 @ 00:06 |
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F**KING DANCER!!,knew someone would make a vol file extractor eventually,i just been up all night trying different methods and now i'm gonna be able to do it properly with the help of this little beauty,i haven't tried it yet as i've got to re-do the image now(only just got the .vol file extractor,but the earlier tests i done with the second layer indicated that toolboys patch was probably needed after ripping ;o)
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speccyfan
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22. May 2005 @ 00:12 |
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oops double post,sorry
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evnflow
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22. May 2005 @ 05:00 |
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ok ok..L-burna or Samuels i know you said something about using hex editor on your devil may cry 3 IOPRP.img and gt4 ioprp.img but they weren't the same size...if i took a ripped IOPRP.img from a backup and made it the same size as gt4's do you think it would pass the checks or would they still snag?
Dolla Dolla Bill Ya'll
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Mikdog
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22. May 2005 @ 06:34 |
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Hmm. Curiouso
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22. May 2005 @ 08:01 |
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Got tool. Will have a go with it later and see what it'll do. I already had RipPSS which extracted the movies. If this gets anything more out then it'll be a bonus.
My opinions come with no warranty whatsoever, but are totally open-source, so you can reverse engineer or decompile them as you see fit. All other rights reserved.
"Freedom" in the west consists of: Freedom of speech, freedom of opinion and freedom of movement. So why is it then, that people want to know what youre saying, what you think of them and where you are going?
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speccyfan
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22. May 2005 @ 11:55 |
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well,it'll let you extract the movies from layer 2 (copy's)but you still can't edit the .vol file yet,still,as they've sorted the code,i'm sure it won't be long for an editor
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22. May 2005 @ 13:15 |
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Yeah hope so. I'd already managed to extract movies from GT4L1.VOL using RipPSS so not too much new here yet. Can feel the solution getting closer though, and I want to be right in there, helping these guys achieve it.
Teamwork's such a wonderful thing.
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"Freedom" in the west consists of: Freedom of speech, freedom of opinion and freedom of movement. So why is it then, that people want to know what youre saying, what you think of them and where you are going?
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crowy
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22. May 2005 @ 14:22 |
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@sick_unit,
Sorry for the late reply.I'm from Western Australia.If you do decide on another chip take some advice:DON'T try to install yourself unless you are prepared for the consequences!!The dms 4 ezi has had mixed reactions:some say it was to easy,some say it was a nightmare(pins breaking and bending etc,etc.)I would rather pay a professional installer who has done it a thousand times and guarantees his work.A good installer should give you at least a 2 year guarantee.Again do your homework!!
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