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Nvideas rsx pipelines vs 360 ATI pipelines 360 core vs ps3 cell
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23. January 2006 @ 11:23 |
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here for you kookoo
http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.html
please, everyone read that and look at the way it runs, and the updates that have been done
to the cell. and anyone who believe the 360 cpu is far supirior also read that, and if you still
bellieve, then your one ignorant man.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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KoOkOo67
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23. January 2006 @ 11:29 |
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4ghz sounds pretty fast....
U sure this article is correct?
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23. January 2006 @ 11:30 |
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yeah. you think they would have written all that and had tests and stuff just to lie? at the end they cite their resources too, if you wanna chack it out.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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23. January 2006 @ 11:43 |
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Well I am glad to see Sony trying to improve Cell. Hopefully by the time it comes to market it will be at least close to being on a par with the 360, but obviously miles behind the PC, which by that time will be seeing CPU performance in multiples of four to five or so of both of those processors...
Anyway, here it is - target £650.
GFX: X1800XT £285
CPU: AMD athlon 64 3200+ overclocked to 2.6ghz £100
HDD: 120gb £50
OPTICAL: 16x DVD-ROM £15
MEMORY: 1024MB mushkin value £50
CASE: Thermaltake Mambo £30
PSU: Hiper Type-R 480 watt £45
MOBO: EPoX EP-9NPAJ £55
Which comes to: £630. Money left to buy a decent wireless gamepad such as the XFX Xgear :)
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KoOkOo67
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23. January 2006 @ 11:45 |
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dude, if the cell is 4ghz with 7 SPU's and PPU's at 4ghz, its far ahead of 360. If not, the two consols have their own advantages over eachoter.
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23. January 2006 @ 11:48 |
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on par with the 360? it began ahead of the 360. and now its moving even higher up the ladder. the cell is in the top chips for supercomputers, i dont think its behind even some of the best consumer released processors. you hear of the trip over mt reiner at 1300 mph and it building a topographical map of it below at 30 fps?
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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23. January 2006 @ 11:50 |
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It is not fair to say that. Cell and Xenon will likely end up on par as far as the performance that can be gotten from them by developers will show. But this suggests that the 360 will reach these peak levels of performance before the PS3, so 360 games will look and play better for a while at least. The SPE's still have little use so don't go toting them...and the PPE still has less cache than it really wants...
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23. January 2006 @ 11:52 |
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wHAT anibus is trying to say, they are as good as super computers from the 85-90's.
And yes, the cell has super computer *atributes*
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23. January 2006 @ 11:53 |
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omfg you did not just say the spe's do nothing..
all the ppe really doees is send info to the spe's and the spe's act on the orders.
and yes, atributes. it employs the atributes that are nessessary for the ps3 to fuction at its
best. the 360 cpu is a pc cpu, and generates much heat and it all cant be used for gaming do
the the fact its not truly desniged for it.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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23. January 2006 @ 11:58 |
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And what you just said is bollocks. Your image actually proves my point... All of those things arent very much... I din't say they were useless, I said they had little useful application - which is true.
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KoOkOo67
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23. January 2006 @ 12:00 |
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And this can also prove a little of my point.
SPE7 & 8 can do the AA
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vzero
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23. January 2006 @ 12:01 |
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Neither cpu is designed very well. They are both designed to be cheap. Neitehr is in the same league as the Pentims or Athlon 64's of this world. Just take a look at the transistor count. It is less than half what the Athlon 64 and Pentium 4 have, and a not-very-complex processor can only do not-very-complex tasks, please face up to this - less transistaors usually = less performance.
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vzero
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23. January 2006 @ 12:01 |
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Also, there is no SPE 8 - Sony have confirmed this! and where does it say they can do AA?
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23. January 2006 @ 12:02 |
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23. January 2006 @ 12:03 |
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kookoo your right. and that image was only about audio/video anyways. the spe's are each like a zombie core. they have no mind, but they do as told. the main ppe sends info to the spe and then the spe processes whatever needs to be done. the ppe is like a mind, and the spe's are the body. a mind cant do any action without the body. the body does the work while the mind tells it what to do.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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23. January 2006 @ 12:12 |
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Using your same analogy it is fair to say tehre is a limit to what teh limbs can do. They cannot do any thinking tasks, or in this case certain complex math and otehr code that would be useful cannot be done on the SPE's, please get in contact with soem devs guys, it would really help you understand why - I cannot explain it to you because I just can't put it into simple enough terms myself - it is hard to undrstand without a background in Physics and Maths and work in the IT and Electronics field.
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KoOkOo67
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23. January 2006 @ 12:16 |
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""Also, there is no SPE 8 - Sony have confirmed this! and where does it say they can do AA? ""
Uhh yea there is, take a look again.
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23. January 2006 @ 12:17 |
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they can do it. they get told what they have to do. here ill put it into this analogy. you have a leader of a group, and he tells everyone else what to do. they then do it. in the case of the cell, programming for one core that tells the others what to do simplifies it so you cont have to code for each spe.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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KoOkOo67
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23. January 2006 @ 12:18 |
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No you tell the consol what to do. And therefor it does it. The cell doesnt work individually.
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23. January 2006 @ 12:20 |
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the info you write is sent to the cpu for processing. if the console did it i believe you would get no where. plastic cant process.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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23. January 2006 @ 12:26 |
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The FACT of the matter is there are actually not that many functions the Cell chip can serve well. It has some possibilities for physics but as for AI and other similar work, that will have to be done by the PPE. The SPE just cannot make sense of most of the information - it is too simple...
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23. January 2006 @ 12:31 |
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did you even read the articles? a spe can do anything, all it needs to do is crunch numbers and send them in the right direction.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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23. January 2006 @ 12:46 |
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So you think the SPE is capable of crunching all kinds of numbers, any type of process? If you do then you are mistaken... CPU's domore than number crunching. That's why they are general processors, not specific processors...
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23. January 2006 @ 12:48 |
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ugh but you dont understand. the ppe and the spe's work together like any old core would by it self.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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23. January 2006 @ 12:56 |
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No, you have not spoken to devs and understand that whilst this is true in theory the SPE can only handle specialised code... written for it.. It is not some super parallelism unit i'm afraid, otherwise it would be really quite impressive, whereas it is currently unimpressive and has a poor complexity and transistor count.
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