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Nvideas rsx pipelines vs 360 ATI pipelines 360 core vs ps3 cell
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23. January 2006 @ 14:39 |
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they were not expensive in the first place.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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TruthMan
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24. January 2006 @ 05:36 |
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kookoo, its more likely 1 generation ahead, i was typing like a turbo nutter, i had 10 mins left to write that post,i had to do something, and go to my cousins (sigh*). twas boring.
i know those pipelines arnt pure pipelines, and all of what you said i was already aware of, always one step ahead of u mate.
the same post can stiol counter what you said, just read the thing.
and about eDRAM, i would cut my balls of if that was wrong, that is EXAXTLY what its for. im that sure of it.
and those AA performance hits, they are big, i know less AA is actually needed at those rezolutions, but at those resolutions 4xAA looks fantastic, everything is dead smooth. and fantastic is always* better than good or great.
those approx 4x AA drops were took from custom PC mags, i did some maths with their results and the results of framerate just affected by 4xAA were posted.
its shockingly large.
and overall, i dont care if the PC cards get more powerful than the xbox 360 cards fast.
the hardware itself is very powerful and easily capabale of playing all the new games/future games really good.
but in the case of the Xenon, i know its not that weak.
and i love PC graphics cards, im a big PC enthuisiast, i tweak, change, build, mess with all sorts of shit.
if something works properly, i dont care, i WILL* get more juice out of it, even if iots only 1%, lol. thats how much i put it.
i mess with the things all day.
so any card thats more powerful regardless of system, is very welcome into my tweak world.
im sure you like to so the same.
tweaking (inc. overclocking tweaks) pwns.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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24. January 2006 @ 05:57 |
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But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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TruthMan
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24. January 2006 @ 06:29 |
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Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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24. January 2006 @ 06:53 |
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if they slash the price people will think they are losing do to the greatness of ps3. it will lose its value and anyone who just baught one would be really effing pissed. plus the ms stock would plumit to hell with the loses. i dont believe they will cut more than 25 dollars to give a slight edge. the ps3 will go out at about 450, a small and insignificant increase that non-noobs will pay for the expansive abilities the ps3 will contain.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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24. January 2006 @ 07:12 |
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expansive abilities it MIGHT contain
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who know binary, and those who don't
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zelda64
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24. January 2006 @ 10:33 |
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if they slash the price people will think they are losing do to the greatness of ps3
If these are not PS3 Fanboy words then what are?
Also anubis is now trying to convince us that slashing prices are a bad thing. I think he should be a politician.lol
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chimpanel
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24. January 2006 @ 10:42 |
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What?! anubis are you trying to convince us that a lower price is a bad thing? A drop in price is good, microsoft stock will not erm.. plummet to hell as I don't think m$ are stupid enough to cut their console prices by so much that they have gargantuan loses, its called buisness and I would think m$ know a bit more about that than you do eh.
Secondly if they cut the cost Quote:
if they slash the price people will think they are losing do to the greatness of ps3
. Nope pple will think they are cutting the cost cos its been out for longer and thats if pple think about it at all.
thirdly you will be paying extra also for the wireless net ability which is not needed by everyone but forced upon them and you will be paying extra for loads of ports which may not be used, they sorta defeat the object of a console and my p.c has all the ports to do that kind of stuff anyway.
Lastly there may be pple effing pissed at the price drop after they buy the console but that is true of EVERY console in the world, they all drop in price at some point, and people who buy them earlier know they buy the console at a higher price.
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24. January 2006 @ 11:13 |
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a few months ago I wouldn't have believed 360 would beat ps3 in the up and coming console wars I thought they would close the gap but thats it. Now looking at it in terms of power, titles, price, release dates and so on I think it may have a chance in beating ps3. However I don't want sony to go out (not that it will) or nintendo, if that happens that means monopoly (not the board game) and a company having monopoly is a bad thing. I rekon it will be tight.
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24. January 2006 @ 11:20 |
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Well the x1900 is out and it trashes everything. And if you didn't believe that the x1800xt was faster, you betta believe that the x1900 is... It's just amazing...
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24. January 2006 @ 17:29 |
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24. January 2006 @ 19:06 |
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haha zelda i didnt mean it as i was saying that. i ment it as a public opinion tht may arise from a price slash close the the ps3. if it has to be slashed, people will wonder if the system is worth it all and if it can compete at all without dropping price.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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chimpanel
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24. January 2006 @ 20:59 |
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Dropping a price is a common buisness tactic in order to outdo a competitor, its not really something that coherses people into thinking the product is a failure. In fact it may be the other way round, people might wonder how ps3 will compete with the lower priced 360 but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
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zelda64
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25. January 2006 @ 00:47 |
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Dropping the price will give the public a console with similar power, a hard drive and excellebt internet capabilities.
My point of the PS3 fanboy thing in what you said is this
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losing do to the greatness of ps3
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25. January 2006 @ 05:47 |
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seriously super fan boy comment, he thin gs he knows better than pro* analysts, its teir job to know how the market works, and what will likely happen.
if they said PS3 would win i would have apsolutely no problem with that at all. there both awsome.
just that PS3 has got some unneeded things. like 7 USB ports, why that many?
customers MUST buy a storage medium seperately, none comes with it.
(360 has the option* of getting one with the console, aka. premium.)
more choise = merrier.
PS3 has many forced options with it, less maneuvaribility with how each person likes to have their PS3.
plus 360 has got faceplates, core/premium package, lots of other accessories, customers get what THEY** need/want.
if they dont want blue-tooth/wireless controllers, they dont have to get them.
get my point.
choise is important.
and as for price, lower price means nothing in terms of superiority in this case.
WTF was that anubis-> its cheaper so its sh*t. <-what a load of crap.
price is a VERY VERY importand factor in the console wars.
and anubis, lower price = less money out of each one, BUT* it means you sell more, much more. u didnt catch that part did you.
i think anubis has got selective hearing/reading, if he sees something that he doesnt like, he pretends that he never even heard/saw it, or instantly attacks it with bull sh*t comments.
that is, like zelda said, 100% pure* fanboy.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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25. January 2006 @ 06:46 |
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i didnt say i was saying it, i said that may become a puplic opinion. i say its gunna be a
good system, and im not syaing the 360 issnt. all im saying is if the price slashed and the
ps3 ssplerged out with a huge marketing campain to show the good aspects of it and
show that it can 1up m$ than it wouldnt matter, and people would still get the ps3. can
you imagine the loss m$ would make? atleast 2 or 3 billion by the end of the 360s life. if u
cuz it in half, and they were losing a profit before, the losses would doubled per console
or even more.
and to truthman,
the ps3 as of e3 said the hdd was still being thought about. if they didnt release it with an
hdd of 20 gigs it would be a loss and they would seem behind. plus if they release a full
out pre accessorized (with most common and nessessary accessories unlike m$), then
even at a tag of 450-500 people would see all that it comes with and you dont have tto
pay a fortune to get them separate. and when did i say cuz it cheaper its shit? if its
cheaper people think its less quality, thats what i mean. look at a 10 dollar set of
headphones, and then a 50 dollar set of headphones. quality usually means price, and the
public sees that. i may not mave marketing experience, but i sure as hell am good at pr
and know what they think, considering i and everyone i know well are the public.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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25. January 2006 @ 09:07 |
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Using your rhebuttal. More $10 sets of headphones are sold than $50 Dollar sets. Ther market is always there for cheaper goods, and it is always there for peopel to throw pointless money at...
oth Sony and MS make large losses on console sales, but make big money on software. That is why consoles can be cheap - they sell at losses because you buy games, and that is where all the money come sfrom - games and peripherals...
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25. January 2006 @ 10:21 |
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Please anubis
You have this all wrong. If price shows the quality of the product and how much better it is then lets take a look at the actual consoles them selves and not headphones. Look into the past for a second.
What sold more consoles the more expensive N64 that came out one year after the PS1 or the cheaper PS1? The answer is PS1. What sold more consoles, the more expensive xbox that came out one year after PS2 or the cheaper PS2? The answer is PS2.
So being as you like Sony so much then shouldnt Sony have lost the last two generations of console due to having cheaper price's?
Also I would like to remind you that I have worked in retail and sale's since the age of 18 so I can tell what the ordinary public go for.
Anyway I hope Sony release the PS3 with the hard drive and scrap the wirless network. Also another comment that annoyed me was the suggestion that the premium package of the 360 contained usless stuff. It contains a wireless controler, 20gb hardrive, headset and remote control. These are not usless components. One thing which is unnessasery is the wirless network and should be added as a addon for Sonys console.
Truthman can you read this link for me please. Its about the 360 GPU. http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1458/The-Power-of-the-Xbox-36...
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25. January 2006 @ 10:43 |
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Exactly zelda, truthman and vzero its nice to hear three unbiased opinions which use evidence to back themselves up. I think the premium package has a very good set of peripheals with it, although I don't believe m$ should have released a core package, hard drives are neccessary in my view, I think the core should have contained a hard drive but thats not problem I will just get a premium.
Like you all point out I fail to see how your going to use 7 usb ports at one time, what do sony have planned for so many ports?
The only thing I can think of is plugging in scanners, printers, keyboard and mouse again that would defeat the object of a conole.
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25. January 2006 @ 12:00 |
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but it would be a media center. top of the line for games and linux, so its a cheap alternative to a gamer who wants nice graphics in a computer and all the other goodies of a pc without the extensive costs.
and yes those 2 examples cost more, but now the xbox and ps2 have been the same price, and still the ps2 contiues to sell more. it sparks more interest. i liked the n64 and all, but it didnt have the games like the ps had and cd's were better than cartridges. also, the ps2 came out only one year earlier, but still sold about 75-80 million more consoles. the one year excluded ps2 still sold far more even after the xbox had started and had been around for some time. the ps fanbase is much larger, more expansive, and more into the system. anyone can see that.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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vzero
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25. January 2006 @ 12:49 |
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Playstation is a popular brand. I ask many friends who do not know any technical stuff and get tricked by all this marketing which console they will get. 3 out of 5 of them say they want a PS3 and are waiting for that.... It's as simple as Sony having a more extensive user base - they have been in the console race longer and do not have the same problems that nintendo have with appealing to the older generation - I love nintendo personally, and their originality keeps console gaming fresh...
The PS3 won't be a good PC for linux anyway, and it will lack much of the x86 functionality that makes linux such a close cousin of windows, and hence commonly compatible software will not be so...
PS3 is more gaming oriented than you seem to believe anubis. If anything it is the xbox 360 with all its media extension etc that is special and deserves to be called a media centre of sorts. Don't tout me Blu-ray, the Xbox 360 will no doubt eventually support either HD DVD and Blu-ray (BTW I prefer HD-DVD, just my opinion) and with extensive support from microsoft in these areas and a massive online userbase compared to PS2, you need to look at teh bigger picture. Sony may sell more consoles, but M$ may make more money.. It is that simple.
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25. January 2006 @ 13:59 |
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Im not commenting on anything exept of the online. You should know that ps2never had plans for online. It did'nt come with an online adaapter. It doesnt matter anymore, sony is actually trying to make ps3 online great.
And you vzero, you have a VERY negative view on the ps3. You think the xbox360 is far more brilliant than ps3, but bassically they are almost identical, and run differently on different tasks. Its like intell and AMD. Both have their own advantages. Game developers will choose what is best for ps3, and it will run very good. Same goes with the 360. Both will wind up VERY similar. With *little* differences.
AND NO blueray will neever go to xbox360, BECAUE it belongs to SONY.
Blueray is better than HD. The thing that sucks is that the 360's HD drive will cost ALOT!
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25. January 2006 @ 15:16 |
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hmm some interesting comments posted here.
some good/well explained stuff, anubis, try to make a balanced answer, urs is ALL PS3 this, that.
and about when i said about when you said "cheaper = more shit", i was being heavily sarcastic, as you were pointing that out basically, but in an indirect* way.
you didnt seem to catch that one.
and zsero isnt being a 360 fan boy, hes countering anubis's posts to try an balance them out more, and dtust me, it takes a HEAVY** counter to merely balance one of anubis's posts. (anubis P*LE*A*S*E stop being proper biased).
kookoo, 360's hard drives are expensive, but there is an answer, *premium package*
(i had to get core thou, as premium's sold out, i got the second to last core package, they had, no re-stock until march, phew*)
ive got a hard drive now thou, cheap of eBAY, and a COmponent HD-AV cable of eBAY 2, lovely. all cheap 2.
and zelda, nice website on how the Xenon works, what do you want me to say about it. (ask questions if u want, im flexible, - but *not* in bed, LMFAO!!)
a joke doesnt hurt much now and again. (im not gay either!!!!)
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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one thing i dont get is how people dis the ps3 for having ports-a-plenty. what if a few fail from misuse? what if you want a giant media center as a cheap pc. its social gathering advantages outway that of the 360, because enything for the 360 you have to have an adapter. with all the ports installed on the ps3, and wifi included, it keeps the system still under 500 to manufacture and you dont have to spend another 250 on the extra port addons and sh*t on the 360. dont dis somkething cuz it has more. say a video vard has s-video, hdmi and component, digital and analog out..are you gunna dis it and prefer an sh*tty card with only analog?
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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26. January 2006 @ 02:38 |
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Yea, but if M$ puts the hd drive in the premium, it will cost a hell of alot more.
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