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DMW
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28. June 2003 @ 04:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi, i have seen comments in a couple of posts that labels on DVD media should be avoided!! why is that? I have searched for the answer, but every post i find relevent says, search for the answer, DOH! I'm not being lazy i just can't find the answer, does anyone know why they are a bad idea? I had a strnage experience with my first backup, i did a backup of blade2 so my brother could use it in his room and thought id make it look good with a label,
before i put the label on it seemed fine but after i had labeld it, using a standard pressit kit, it seemed to struggle reading and sometimes pause in the middle of scenes. Anyone else get this? am i using wrong labels? is it just coincidence? Why are labels bad?
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28. June 2003 @ 04:32 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Over here mate, I put a simple label on a dvd game backup and when i put it in my ps2 it trook about 2 or 3 times the time it used to take to load! Why I dunno!
DMW
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28. June 2003 @ 04:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yeah its wierd. Just seems daft that it reads from underneath, but putting something on top can make it struggle. Oh well, least its not just me :)
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28. June 2003 @ 04:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
probably has something to do with the capacity on the disc perhaps?? 4.3gbs is a lot more than 700 so maybe the laser struggles for some reason if a cover is present!
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29. June 2003 @ 13:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I believe it has something to do with the adhesive surface of the label. Apparently, the heat generated by the laser can cause the adhesive layer fo the disc to become warm and actually melt, to a certain extent. This can cause problems with the laser trying to read the bottom surface.

It is also to do with an imbalance on the disc. If you do wish to pursue labels, apply them after the burning process.

Im thinking of buying a Thermal printer and just printing directly on to the disc in that way. They are £80

Chris

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DogBomb
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29. June 2003 @ 14:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I've read that if the label is not applied perfectly, it can cause the DVD to be off-balanced and wobble in the player or DVD drive. It makes sense since the DVD is spun at extremely high speeds, and the labels that I've put on some of my CDRs does make the disc hum in my drive (wobbling?) If you do use labels, I think you should only put them on after you've burned the DVD.
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29. June 2003 @ 15:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
DogBomb, that is true also. You should always use an applicator to put your Labels on.

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29. June 2003 @ 17:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I use an applicator to put labels on all of my CDRs. When I backed up my first DVD I was quick to stick a label on that too, but was driven to distraction by constant playback glitches - solution: take the label off, no more problems.
I've thought about investing in one fo those Thermal printers also, but as far as I know they only print on DVD-rs that have special printable surfaces. Is this not the case?
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29. June 2003 @ 17:17 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Im not very sure about that, however, i do believe that they print on the silver topped Riteks, i read here somewhere that someone did that.

Im considering it, i might do it in a few weeks.

Chris

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30. June 2003 @ 09:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
This may sound strange, but has anyone tried using labels on printable discs?
The theory is, labels affect the reflectivity of media because now there is an opaque backing on the previously semi-transparent discs. It's like painting the top of the disc black. The printable discs have their own in-between layers opaque white coating that supposedly does not affect reflectivity too badly, so theoretically white printable discs may not be harmed by labels (properly applied to not be wobbly, of course.)
You may ask, why not just print on the disc if you buy a printable disc, well most of us don't have printers capable of that, but we can still buy those printable discs (some are quite cheap.)
Also worthy of note, some retail name-brand dvds (like some TDKs) already have a white opaque coating *under* their logo stuff, which appears printed on the top surface. These discs may also not suffer from labels. I will have to test this out when I get home.

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YYZ
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30. June 2003 @ 22:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Same experience here....I applied a label on a disc perfectly centered using centering tool and visually looked center...then sure enough later in the movie I started seeing anomalies which grew progressively worse as the laser moved toward the outside of the disc. Seems pretty plain to me that the slightest imperfection in weight distribution the label has on the disk results in a significant degradation in optical tracking. Label removed, DVD plays fine end of story.
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1. July 2003 @ 10:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Has anyone tried putting the label on the inner ring of the DVD? A rental place I try places their labels on the inner ring and so far every dvd I've rented from them have worked.

Not entirely fancy but hey, they work. Saves you the probs of popping in dvd-rs into players to see what is on it when they get mixed up.
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1. July 2003 @ 15:50 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
and then god said ...let there be sharpie felt tips to write on dvd surface.....and it was good
DogBomb
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1. July 2003 @ 18:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I go with the permanent markers too. It doesn't look as professional or neat as a label, but what is most important is the content, not the packaging (which you only see when you pull out the movie).
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2. July 2003 @ 05:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I personally am using felt tip pens for writing on the surface of the discs. however, i am thinking of investing in a Thermal Printer and some printable discs. That way, i get the best of both worlds.

Chris

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2. July 2003 @ 06:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Tosca, Blockbuster tried that for a while on their dvd's. I rented one and the disc became jammed inside my dvd player. The label became hot during play and the adhesive loosened and the label came off. It made a real mess inside the player. I was not amused, and neither was the local Blockbuster area manager when I got done complaining. They have since stopped that process (and I got a new dvd player). I wouldn't advise going that way.
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2. July 2003 @ 14:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Sethk, I'd be curious to see how your experiment worked. The theory sounds good.

Also, Chris, where are you seeing the printers for 80 pounds? (also where the heck is the pound sign on the keyboard?) (LOL) Do you have a link?

All the bruning info you need to start is here: http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/userguides/141024.php#dvd9dvd2one

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elfstone
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2. July 2003 @ 15:02 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Alt-156 is the £ symbol.
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2. July 2003 @ 15:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The first one in this list: £71 + vat

http://www.dvd-and-media.com/cd-printers.htm

Chris

ken0042
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3. July 2003 @ 08:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks. Have you tried that printer? I just downloaded the instructions, and it almost looks like it puts a label on the disc, rather than printing to the printable surface.
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3. July 2003 @ 16:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Actually i haven't. When you say it puts a label to the disc, do you mean a silver or white one. If it put a silver label to the disc, on top of the white one, it would look pretty good. Im going to look into gtting one in the next few weeks. If you get one before then, let me know how you get on.

Chris

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5. July 2003 @ 18:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
hi guys ,new here, yes i have been doing a lot of experimenting and yes putting a sticky cd label on a dvd is bad news, some set top player will play them but others have problems, and others can be damaged, the problem is that as a dvd spins at a very fast speed the balance must be spot on, any deviation and you will get freezing and other problems, i know of a machine that was damaged as it would vibrate with labeled dvd rs and it soon gave up the ghost, as far as that stuff about sticking a label ob a printable dvdr....well.... er...no
i am considering an epson 950 printer but its 350 quid !
oh by the way that £80 TDK thermal cd/dvd printer is crap ! it prints in a fairly small box not the whole disk and it prints one colour at a time and you have to change the ribbons every time you want a different colour...NAH !
later ..rob

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T-bone
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7. July 2003 @ 08:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi Guys
Been reading all these postings about labels, just like to say I personally have had no problems what so ever with using labels, I've used about 80 DVD labels to date with no problems at all, maybe I have just been lucky?
I've even stuck them on white printable discs because I had no printer to print directly and these have been OK so far.

Help someone out today - Because tomorrow you may need help.
HomerJ
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7. July 2003 @ 08:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
What rob12770 says about the TDK thermal printer is true.

It does have very limited print capability. However, if all you want to print is text, the quality is very good (although limited for space).

If you want to go to Inkjet printing, the best option around at the moment is the Epson 900. I have seen this for sale at £179 (Mine cost me £199 Doh !!!)

Quality is very good, although you do pay a small premium for inkjetprintable media.

HomerJ
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ken0042
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9. July 2003 @ 09:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I was thinking of maybe getting that Epson printer. My local computer shop has it on for $299 CDN. (That's about £137) http://www.memoryexpress.com/

My main concern is getting the writable media. This is the same store I get my discs from, and I don't think I've picked up the same discs twice.

All the bruning info you need to start is here: http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/userguides/141024.php#dvd9dvd2one
 
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