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Why are labels bad on DVD?
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HomerJ
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9. July 2003 @ 14:08 |
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I know what you mean.
I use Ritek printable. I buy in packs of at least 25, 50 if it's a good price. Like I said you often have to pay a small premium, but I personally think it's worth it.
It's all about confidence, and trusting in you're suppliers / brand.
Make sure you don't run out before you
re-order.
HomerJ
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digger
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14. July 2003 @ 00:47 |
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Here is the true answer as to why lables on dvds dont work. I am an engineer and work on consols.
There is on all cd and dvd players a system to hold the disc firmly in place, this system works by a magnet which sits ontop of the disc to hold them into place. You may have noticed if you have taken a unit apart a white disc which sits ontop of the disc when it is placed onto the drive, This is the magnet. So that the magnet does not damage the unit it cannot be too strong, it is weak enough to not damage the unit but strong enough to stabalise the disc when it is spinning.
When you apply a lable to the disc you are increasing the thickness that the magnet has to work through, and therefore weakening the magnets hold on the disc. Thus the disc begins to slip and to wobble. The lables that do not extend all the way to the centre are better than the full face lables because they do not cover the same area as the magnet.
Also if the lables are made cheaple the thickness of the lables is different on each side so therfore this weight imbalance causes the disc to wobble.
The answer to this is to purchase only printable disc and use a printer such as the epson 950 which prints directly to the disc surface.
I hope this has cleared up your minds on why this happens.
Buy the way many new sony dvd units now state that they do not work with disc with lables.
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flanman
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14. July 2003 @ 11:46 |
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I think the DVD labels is personally a lot of bull. Just like the myth that watching TV in the dark is bad for you (started by light bulb companies in the 50's). I have burned over 200 DVD-r,three different types of media, and watched on two computers and two set top players. All have Neeto labels printed by HP inkjet printer and all play fine. Just my opinion.
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15. July 2003 @ 00:35 |
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Im not too sure about your Magnet theory Digger. I dont like to doubt you, but aren't DVD R's made of plastic?? lol. I know the silvertop ones contain traces of metal in the label, but printable discs have a thick non-metal cover on them and they work fine.
Flanman, DVD label problems are not a myth, they do occur and they are not good. I am glad you have had no problems so far, and i hope it continues.
Chris
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rob12770
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15. July 2003 @ 00:47 |
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FLANMAN Your a comlplete <language edited by a_klingon>
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digger
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15. July 2003 @ 01:45 |
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yes they are made of plastic, but the plate they sit on is made of metal and the magnet clamps down onto the metal disc below the dvd disc like a sandwich, therfore holding the plastic disc firm.
Think of the magnet and disn below as being like a pair of pliers and the plastic disc as being the item you want to hold with the pliers.
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rob12770
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15. July 2003 @ 02:59 |
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sound plausable enough digger, just ignore oriphus, he like to laugh at folk and try and make them feel stupid when in fact , if you go through this postings, he talks a load of utter bollox !
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princy1
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15. July 2003 @ 16:20 |
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I too used to have problems with labelling my discs. Some would skip, some would just refuse to read at all. I then started experimenting with different brands and types of labels
, and now use Press-it glossy labels with 100% reliability. Seems to me like the problem is with the quality of the labels more than anything else.
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Kev0192
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15. July 2003 @ 22:26 |
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I think mostly it has a lot to do with the disc and the label you are using. I have TDK DVD-R and Memorex labels. Backed up 10 different movies and they all work great. I usually don't cover the ring though just as I feel more confident that the disc will work better if I don't smother the entire disc with a sticker. I think the important thing is too find a qaulity label that is thin and not super super sticky as I would see how that might cause problems.
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15. July 2003 @ 23:40 |
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Rob, why dont you go to another forum, you seem to be trying to piss people off here ;-)
Anyway Digger, ignore what Rob was saying, i wasnt trying to tell you that you were wrong, I was under the impression that the centre of teh DVD disc was pushed up into a circular clamp. Like the same systems you have on micro Hifi where the CD is pressed down and held in place.
Also, if they use the magnetic method, doesnt the printable discs give them problems, since if you look at them, they are slightly thicker than the normal ones.
Again, remember, im not trying to have a go at you like that knob Rob (that ryhmned) suggested, just trying to ascertain what is what.
Thanks
Chris
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princy1
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16. July 2003 @ 13:23 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I could well be), but I thought that the metal spool that hold'
s the disc was alloy on 95% of players, which wouldn't be attracted to a magnet anyway?
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rob12770
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16. July 2003 @ 13:42 |
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<entire message deleted by a_klingon. language completely unacceptable. zero respect for other members>
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princy1
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16. July 2003 @ 14:40 |
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Quote:
only you scrounger faggot student
Does anyone else have a clue what this is supposed to mean?
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rob12770
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16. July 2003 @ 15:23 |
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Oriphus does, thats all that matters
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16. July 2003 @ 15:55 |
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Nope, haven't a clue what he is saying and really not that interested or bothered. I dont think this guy has said one think productive or useful since he has been on this forum. Rob, as i keep saying, Bye Bye
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digger
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17. July 2003 @ 00:17 |
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In all the units I have repaired and looked at they all have the magnetic stabliser unit installed.
Some of the posts about the glue on the lables are also correct, the reflective layer of the unit is also a factor some glues can damage this delicate layer.
Heat is also a factor a dvdr is two plactic discs glued together and in the early princo discs the glue they used to hold the two discs together used to seperate with heat which cased a loss of data on the burnt disc.
The post about the non metallic spindles, alloy ones, inside the alloy disc is implanted a magnet which works through the alloy, also the same thing applies to the plasic spindles, if you cut on in half you will se a magnet inside.
The post about the printable discs being thicker, again its an optical illusion, with the white surface on these discs they look thicker, there is an industry standard for the thickness of the disks which is generally adhered to.
Again as to the post as to which lables you use is also correct, full face lables are the worst because the cover the area which is used by the magnet. Also there are problems now with the avery full face lables which used to work on most units but now dont, they incrreased the thickness of the lable.
The lables which only go as far as the edge of the burnable surface are the best lables, but if the manufacturer uses low grade paper then the thickness is not even across the disc, which then causes the disc to wobble as it rotates.
The other problem is clearance, the manufacture's of dvd players dont always make allowance for the extra thickness of the lables on the draw mechanism of their units, therfore in serveral units if have found and this applies to the PS2 and Sony in particular, the extra thickness causes the disc top to scrape the unit while it is rotating again causing it to slow down and or stop spining entirely, which damages the dvd unit.
As an added point all dvd units attract a lot of dust, units should be cleaned regularly, at least one a week with a good laser cleaner, dont use the cheap ones because they can damage the laser unit(the bristles fall of and get stuck in the laser mechanism), also if there are air vents in your unit make sure they are free from dust because when a laser heats up it loses focus.
Sorry for my long winded reply but I hope this explanation helps
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rob12770
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17. July 2003 @ 01:06 |
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not your call oriphus, so.. keep whinning to the mods you little <balance of message delete by a_klingon. Violation of forum rules. Unacceptable language.>
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17. July 2003 @ 01:45 |
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Cheers Digger, thats spot on mate. I think you have cleared up the confusion on the label situation. thanks.
Chris
ROB, Find that other forum and clear off!
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17. July 2003 @ 04:07 |
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Rob, watch ur language will you, kids use these forums. Have a bit of sense
Chris
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rob12770
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17. July 2003 @ 08:08 |
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your the only KID here sonny boy
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17. July 2003 @ 12:51 |
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rob listen up good, keep ur silly little imature comments to urself or ur boyfriend, now stop annoying us in this forum, u little prick
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HomerJ
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17. July 2003 @ 13:02 |
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Chris,
Not for much longer my friend.
HomerJ
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digger
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17. July 2003 @ 13:37 |
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I hope that the conduct above is not indicative of the useual behavior here
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princy1
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17. July 2003 @ 13:42 |
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Will someone just barr the idiot, or roast him by his gonads?
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17. July 2003 @ 21:14 |
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