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Why are labels bad on DVD?
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ken0042
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12. August 2003 @ 06:32 |
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So, it sounds like the full labels are not the way to go, for several reasons.
Has anybody seen those thin ring labels; like the ones you'd see on a store bought double sided disc?
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12. August 2003 @ 09:00 |
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Yeah, movie rental companies use those. They could be interesting for labelling. Let me know if you have any luck finding them Ken.
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HiSpeed
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12. August 2003 @ 23:36 |
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Labels applied to ANY high speed media causes balance problems. It is NOT possible to adequately center the label, even with an applicator. If you look at the data transfer on a scope while running any sticky labeled media at high speed, you will see glitches and error correction taking place. DVD media is especially difficult, as error correction generally results in a rather fatal viewing glitch. DVDs can even be thrown off balance by the uneven application of ink laid on the surface in a poorly distributed pattern. I guess that the final insult is that labels on disks can take out the bearings on the drive and are one of the prime suspects in bearing related drive failure. Stay with the ugly Sharpie marker-be happy with the choice of colors.
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ken0042
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13. August 2003 @ 05:42 |
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For my own back ups, I'm fine with the shaprie method.
It's just the little side business I've got going. I went and bought the Panasonic stand alone DVD recorder and I'm in the process of converting VHS tapes to DVD for people; things like weddings, etc. It would be nice for the disc to end up looking a little more professional.
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HiSpeed
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13. August 2003 @ 06:44 |
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What you're looking for is known as a "core label" or "hub label". You will find these on a web search. For one, I found them at the Neato site. These work well and do eliminate the risk that full size labels pose to the media and the drive. The squint factor is a bit high if you print too much on the little buggers, but the core label allows you to make a reasonable presentation with a good explanation (if you need one) as to why you used the small label.
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Prisoner
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13. August 2003 @ 13:24 |
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Wow lots of profectionists here. I go with the sharpie method. Problems with labels I have had are, peel off if I leave them in hot car. My 200 disc player is jutbox style and can`t grab the disc correctly. My feed insert drive on my computer and mom`s car only handles the thickness of a disc, label makes it too think and it rips into it. Also even with a stamper to line it up, it still seems off weight and have had skiping problems. All my issues are physical, I haven`t ad any adhesive melting problems.
I just recomed the Sharpie method seems the best. Alcohol doesn`t appear to do too much damage to discs either. (to remove the sharpie).
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13. August 2003 @ 17:01 |
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Cheers HiSpeed, im looking into them now ;-)
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ken0042
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13. August 2003 @ 18:21 |
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Anybody have any dealings with surething.com ?
They have these hub labels, but want a lot for shipping to Canada.
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DogBomb
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13. August 2003 @ 23:26 |
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Prisoner,
Another thing about the Sharpie - you can easily correct your mistakes with a little alcohol. The "permanent" ink seems to come off pretty nicely especially on smooth DVD surfaces like Fuji and Verbatim.
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Prisoner
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14. August 2003 @ 08:48 |
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Ya I know, I usually use Kimwips. They can manage to remove most sharpie marks. But since most people I assume don`t work in Reseach labs, I didn`t sugest it. But Kimwips are really good, they are like klenex, but hold onto the fibers and don`t leave any fine paper particles. As designed for wiping glass ware in Analytical labs.
Ken0042 In Canadian sites they are called mini CD labels See
http://www.effectuality.ca/Unprinted_Packaging/cd_label_mini.shtml
The are in canad and are really cheap
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ken0042
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14. August 2003 @ 10:12 |
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Thanks for the link Prisoner! But just looking at those, have you ordered them? They almost look like they'd be labels for the 3 inch mini CD's.
I suppose I could always give them a call.
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Prisoner
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14. August 2003 @ 11:22 |
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No I don`t use labels, only a sharpie.
SO I am not too sure. I measured the cd hole by eye its about an inch, so I did searches for labels about 2inches in diameter to see if they had different names. Hub labels I only found USA sites for in Google searches.
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Discmania
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22. August 2003 @ 16:18 |
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I must be the odd one out. I don't have any problems with putting stickers on my discs and they definitely don't cause playback problems on my player. I do use a presser which makes sure the label is centred correctly on the disc. I use Neato labels and print with an Epson C62. I also download all my DVD movie labels and covers from here if anyone's interested: http://www.cdcovers.cc/dvd_0.php
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Discmania
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22. August 2003 @ 16:18 |
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I must be the odd one out. I don't have any problems with putting stickers on my discs and they definitely don't cause playback problems on my player. I do use a presser which makes sure the label is centred correctly on the disc. I use Neato labels and print with an Epson C62. I also download all my DVD movie labels and covers from here if anyone's interested: http://www.cdcovers.cc/dvd_0.php
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HomerJ
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22. August 2003 @ 16:23 |
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We aren't saying you are going to have problems today.
We are saying you will have problems "tomorrow". Like "this year/next year".
Are you prepared to take that risk ??
HomerJ
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Discmania
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22. August 2003 @ 16:37 |
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Are you saying that the discs with labels on are likely to degrade and become unplayable? I have to say that having read the posts I think if a disc doesn't play well or has glitches it is far more likely to be the disc itself than any label. I disagree with HiSpeed when he says that labels cause read errors - it's the bloody disc mate not the label! Also to say that ink can take out the bearings on a drive is quite frankly laughable. Where is your evidence? Sorry if I sound a bit reactionary but lets get things in perspective. We're talking about a microscopic depth of papier which don't weigh an iota, ink or no ink, not a plate of iron which spontaneously combusts.
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digger
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23. August 2003 @ 02:12 |
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Its a simple solution
I buy printable dvdr and have the epson 950
which prints directly to the disc.
It does a really good job
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DMW
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23. August 2003 @ 05:24 |
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I think if a disc doesn't play well or has glitches it is far more likely to be the disc itself than any label.
I am sure that a lot of people that havent had these problems can laugh it off easily, but i can assure you it is a real problem that can be, but isnt always, down to the media, but also caused by the label (often i have found)
My first post on here explained what happened to me, briefly : backup of blade2 worked fine, labelled it for brothers use and never worked properly again. A good friend of mine laughed it off too until he burned something (not sure what but its irrelevant), labelled it and it didnt work at all, removed the label, which i personally find very difficult and it worked fine after. This cannot be a media problem. Thanks for all the posts guys, ive basically decided, no more labels, stickin with my cd pens from now on.
Cheers
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 23. August 2003 @ 05:27
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princy1
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25. August 2003 @ 19:42 |
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I beg to differ, I used to use cheap media for backups and they worked fine for most things except Ps2 and a couple of stand alones. As you said, put a label on them and they won't work, take it off and it works fine. I then started using Datawrite yellow and Datawrite classic and all have worked in every player with a label. My point is that some (usually cheaper) media seems to be effected by the label/adhesive and others aren't. Could be down to the quality and thickness of the film that stores the data?
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26. August 2003 @ 03:17 |
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It can be down to the adhesive melting with the heat of the laser, the label being slightly off centre can cause it to spin off as well. Generally, the cut down on light can cause problems too. If you do insist on putting labels on your DVD's, Make sure to put them on after you have burned the disc, and not before. As Homer J says, problems will happen!
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DMW
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26. August 2003 @ 06:00 |
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Feedback is great guys, thats why i love this site. I have tried 2 types of media with labels Datawrite red 4x and ONE (ritek dye). Both work great until i put label on. The ones labelled ONE werent cheap i dont think(well they werent when i got charged :-( ), really unsure on this whole thing, i only ever put labels on after theyre burnt, but tahts when i get the problems.
Wish there was a straight answer to this.
Thanx for all the help and replys guys.
cheers.
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AfterDawn Addict
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26. August 2003 @ 07:09 |
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Your best bet is to buy a Thermal printer for £80 and print on to the surface of the disc.
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davidb
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6. September 2003 @ 11:36 |
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I have been following this thread about how to safely label DVD's. I have no need and don't want to do the route of attaching labels, so I have been using a Sharpie. Today, however, I was floored when someone stated that a published study suggested that the ink in a Sharpie (or other marker) was bad for the data layer of a DVD. Has anyone heard of this? Any alternatives to a Sharpie?
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Prisoner
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6. September 2003 @ 19:05 |
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The writing layer is on the bottom for DVD's. The write layer of CD's is on the top. Shapiers will not effect DVD's or CD's. The ink will not effect the dye as long as you don't write on the burning side of a disc.
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davidb
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7. September 2003 @ 12:01 |
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That was the impression that I had. The statement made to me was based on the possibility that some inks might bleed through or chemically effect the top layer and interfere with the media layer. Again, I have no proof of this other than what was told to me. Might be simple hogwash.
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