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Why are labels bad on DVD?
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HomerJ
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8. September 2003 @ 14:44 |
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davidb,
Please substantiate your claim. You can?t make this type of claim without backing it up with facts.
To quote you :-
"I have no proof of this other than what was told to me. Might be simple hogwash."
This is not good enough !!
HomerJ
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davidb
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8. September 2003 @ 15:55 |
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Homer, if you took a moment to put down your Duff and read 4 messages back, you will note that my message was worded to solicit feedback to what I was told. A disclaimer was so visible that you found and quoted it between swigs. As a matter of fact, the LAST TWO sentences were phrased in the form of a question. Your message, therefore, is invalid as no claim was made. That being said, do you have any information on the subject?
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baggins1
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9. September 2003 @ 01:56 |
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Ok labels are bad news but once on how do we remove them safely? Any idea's?
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Prisoner
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9. September 2003 @ 11:05 |
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To remove, get off what you can by hand. Then very carefully add small amount of tap water to get the glue off. Distilled water would be best, but I assume not all have it handy. Water will be ok if and only if the DVD or CD has data already writen on it. If it is still blank, do all your writing if possible, then rip off the label. DVD-RW or DVD+RW should be ok with water as well. Just try to avoid soaking the whole disc in it. Just add to the glue.
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Discmania
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9. September 2003 @ 11:18 |
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Just to be a pest I say again: "I've never had any problems whatsoever with playback after securing inkjet labels on any discs". Maybe you should be looking at the brand of labels you are using. Obviously, like zillions of other PC stuff, if it ain't working get rid of it.
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Prisoner
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10. September 2003 @ 07:30 |
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Or just don't use it!! Why get your self into a problem, when it can be avoided with a Sharpie.
I am not a number
I am a Free Man
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ken0042
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10. September 2003 @ 09:19 |
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Well, being the rebel that I am I put a label on a DVD. That's right; when I see a "Wet Paint" sign I also check the wall to see if the paint is really wet too.
I used an Avery 5824 label printed on a laser printer and stuck it onto a Princo 1X DVD-R. I've tried it in 3 different stand alone DVD players, including my old fussy 1998 one and the disc plays fine.
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ken0042
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10. September 2003 @ 17:25 |
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(I had put an update here; I will re-post when it's a little more accurate.)
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baggins1
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10. September 2003 @ 18:53 |
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Great i had a few dvd's that made an awful noise in ny stand alone player but now i have removed the offending labels they play perfectly.
Death to sticky labels lol
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VinylPush
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14. September 2003 @ 11:24 |
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My experience with labels has been nothing but good.
I've always used Avery A4 full-face (J8676) labels. Great labels, much better results than cheaper no-brand ones.
Had no problems when applied to discs: -
Mirror 4X (bad discs that only ever worked at 2X, label or not).
No-brand Ritek Gen4 (silver-top).
No-brand Ritek Gen4 (white-top).
No complaints from customers - except a lady with a very old (first generation) Toshiba standalone player. She has since taken my advice and upgraded ;-)
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ken0042
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15. September 2003 @ 12:15 |
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I appreciate your input, Vinyl. Just curious, how many DVD-R's with labels have you sold? Sounds like you and I are doing similar work.
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princy1
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15. September 2003 @ 16:37 |
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Just out of curiosity, are you trying to get the forum shut down?
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baggins1
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15. September 2003 @ 21:44 |
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If i make a home movie and i put a label on the dvd it will not get this forum shut down! and i'm sure that is what we are talking about is it not fellow forum users?
I think that before you post you should read what has been said here
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baggins1
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15. September 2003 @ 21:44 |
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If i make a home movie and i put a label on the dvd it will not get this forum shut down! and i'm sure that is what we are talking about is it not fellow forum users?
I think that before you post you should read what has been said here
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princy1
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15. September 2003 @ 22:40 |
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If you open your eyes and read the two posts prior to mine you will see a very definite reference to selling labelled discs. Now I could be wrong but I would doubt very much that these movies are not someone's home movies. As far as "reading what's been said here before I post", have you read all the posts in this forum? I have! Now nowhere in the message does it mention baggins1, so why you would think that the message was directed at you?, so take some of your own advise and read the posts and put your brain into gear before leaving a reply eh?
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baggins1
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16. September 2003 @ 13:14 |
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The messages above yours could and i assume refer to selling labels not dvd's (you would make a poor lawyer)Nor does anyone in any of the posts refer to the selling of dvd's only back ups
Anyway i'm not here to argue so forgive me if i offended you. We are here to help each other
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princy1
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16. September 2003 @ 14:03 |
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I agree wholeheartedly, we are all here to try and help each other which is why I would hate to have any pressure applied for tis forum to be closed down. But with all due respect to the reference of me making a poor lawyer I quote Quote:
Just curious, how many DVD-R's with labels have you sold? Sounds like you and I are doing similar work. Quote:
Also it is the selling of backups that is illegal unless the person buying the backup has a copy of the original. And the whole purpose of forums like this is to enable people to create their own backups without having to buy them.
I hope I never offended you either.
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baggins1
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16. September 2003 @ 22:31 |
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Good back to topic. I have stopped using labels but still have probs! On my stand alone dvd i get a loud humming type noise,mostly with dvd shrink) At 1st i thought it was the labels however it's not all the time and after several mins the noise subsides.I am using Packard bell +R Discs On a Dell Dimension 2350
Nec dvd+rw ND1100A
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ken0042
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17. September 2003 @ 06:54 |
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Just to clarify Princy, I own a Panasonic stand alone burner as well as my burner inside my PC. What I am doing as a business is transfering people's VHS's to DVD-R. The type of transfers I will do are typically home videos; weddings, birthdays, etc. The price I charge typically makes it not cost effective for people to ask me to burn a movie or other copyrighted material.
Now back to the issue here. As many regulars might remember, I have an old 1998 RCA DVD player as well as my newer ones. The old player is very fussy, so I typically use it as the "benchmark." If a DVD-R will play in that player it will play in any other player that is capable of reading DVD-R's.
I have burned a couple of discs now, and tested them in the RCA. They play nicely; no problems. Now as soon as I stick a label on (I've been using the Avery labels) it will play fine for the first 30-40 minutes. after that it starts to skip, and eventually will stop playing.
Now this is the only one of my stand alones that has a problem with the labels; all the others I've tried play the labeled discs just fine.
So I suppose my bottom line is this; if you want to use labels they might work just fine for you. If you are in a situation like mine, where you don't know what type of stand alone the disc will be played on, it's best not to use the labels.
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princy1
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17. September 2003 @ 09:49 |
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The problem your describing sounds like the label is throwing the disc out of balance. As the disc is read from the centre outwards the level of imbalance increases the further from the centre the pickup gets, hence the loss of picture 30 to 40 mins in. I can't say I've ever used Avery labels but I use Press-It glossy labels and have never had a problem with them even when played in a Ps2 which I use as a benchmark. But as you say if you don't know which player your backups etc. will be played in either don't use labels or invest in a thermal printer and printable discs.
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leduc
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16. October 2003 @ 01:33 |
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Hi,
I've been reading this thread for some time now mostly because I have the same problem. I've seen problems with DVD playback and could not get to the root of it until I fell across this thread.
My symptoms are:
1) Using full-face (After Burner (Avery)) labels (Should be a good brand, yes?), all DVDs work OK on 2 DVD palyers that I have. They all play OK on my friend's DVD.
2) But they fail on some other people's player. But for these people, once the label is removed (if removed correctly), the DVD playback is OK!
So I agree with the statement that if the DVD plays back OK on 2 or 3 players, it does not mean you are out of trouble. In My case, it is VERY player depended.
My questions are:
1) For those people who wish to continue using labels, can there be a list of recommendations from this thread? Such as a list of vendors whos's labels do not appear to give (or give less)problems?
2) What are the vendors (i.e. Avery) saying about this (if anyone knows)?
Bernie
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KamtheMan
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16. October 2003 @ 06:59 |
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Okay, now I have read the whole thread from beginning to end. I am not going into the issues I've had with burning needless to say I have an interest in this thread.
To absolutely clarify some of the recommendations stated here is this:-
There are a lot of variables in DVD players, therefore some labels won't give problems ever, some will after a short or long time. You can't tell until doing quite a few and checking in 2/3 years!
No one has had troubles with printing directly onto the disc. Probably down to the fact few people actually using this method!
Fair enough summary?
I'm going to switch to a non-label method as I would hate for my backups to be unplayable if my original get scratched!
Anyone know if my HP 895CXi can do Printable DVD's?
Kam.
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16. October 2003 @ 09:00 |
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TDK do a basic Thermal printer for £79 and it works a treat im told. One colour, but all you need is a title of the film, not graphics are needed for back-ups unless you are making a home DVD or something ;-)
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VinylPush
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17. October 2003 @ 08:46 |
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I've been pondering a purchase of that exact printer. Price of replacement ribbons is a bit prohibitive though.
Even if I were to buy my normal full-face labels from Parnters (30 for £4.99) I'd still beat the price-per-label of the TDK.
Maybe I'll get one in the January sales and give it a try...
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Anyone seen my bitch?
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sethk
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17. October 2003 @ 21:17 |
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Seems like only epson makes "regular" inkjet printers that can also properly print on directly onto inkjet printable cd-r/w and dvd-r/w dscs. The 900 is the cheaper one that does, from what I've read on other threads.
I'm very tempted to pick one up even though I make little use of the excellent HP printer I currently have. If anyone with the epson printers cares to make a comment I'm sure we'd all benefit.
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