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Yet Another Console Debate Thread.
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oofRome
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20. January 2007 @ 14:36 |
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Originally posted by anubis66:
i loathe the wiimote simply because its so different and hard to get used to. also, i overheat after some madden or a little cod3. i generally dont want to feel tired when i game, i like relaxing. cod3 on wii sucks, this shaking excessivly to beat someone and not being told how to do it adaquately, and steering vehicles with the 2 controller parts when only one is needed (one that aches your hand so bad tilting your wrist that way so much
I see your point, but basing most of it off a game that got terrible reviews for controller mechanics (in fact IGN blasted the game for many of the same reasons you just mentioned) is a little unfair to the controller. Most of this criticism should be directed towards activision.
And while many people like to use excessive motions, the fact is that in a lot of games it isn't necessary to achieve the desired function. Not many games have made the wii-mote customizeable, but I think that in the future it could be suited to the needs of just about anyone.
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id like to see where sony says their system is a bluray player with gaming capabilities. it seems more like what it really is, a computer entertainment system. to call it a blu ray player with other options is insane. bluray playback is such a small amount of all that the system does and can do, and a controller like it has doesnt seem optimum for movie playing.
I agree. What they call the ps3 wasn't so much what I was talking about when I said they alienated their gamer base. What alienated them (imo) was having the system cost 200 dollars more than what it should've been, putting the most cutting edge hardware in it, and eventually losing exclusive 3rd party support that, quite frankly, was the biggest reason Sony had such a commanding lead with their last two consoles. Following a rather dissappointing launch, I wouldn't be surprised if a few developers either can their ps3 projects, or decide to port them over to other consoles (i.e the 360).
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the wii is a party console ... not really great individually,unlike 360 and PS3.
Right now I think you're absolutely right. Aside from Zelda and maybe a few others, the only games being talked about are the (offline) multiplayer games. Wii sports/play, rayman, and monkey ball to name the big 4. Even Red Steel's multiplayer is better than the single player, which is a huge dissappointment to just about everyone.
However, new games are being announced daily, a lot of which will either enhance the single player experience (No more Heroes, Resident Evil, Metroid, Mario, etc) as well as games that hopefully will fully utilize wiiconnect and wifi (SSB:B).
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oofRome
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20. January 2007 @ 14:39 |
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Originally posted by anubis66:
well this was me and my friends wii and we were playing together. another thing about the wii is if you dont own one, many games are off limits to you because the motion sensing is in no way intuitive without going through training and getting used to how a certain game works. i was thrown into madden for the wii and first being told how to kick off and what button dives, while my friend jumps up for interceptions, thrusts for a power tackle, stiff arms me for a kickoff touchdown. people say the ps3 and xbox controllers confuse people, but when a german comes from knowhere and starts beating you to hell and you have a wiimote with no buttons and your confused and frightend, death is around the corner so fast and failure is the only option. the the ps3 and xbox 360, i cant jump into any game and figure out all the controlls by myself in minutes, with no problem. the wii is a totally different story.
Hey man, can't argue with you there. As a gamer, regular controls come as second nature to me.
I'm a fast learner, so I don't mind too much when confronted with an entirely new way to play.
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20. January 2007 @ 15:11 |
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Originally posted by anubis66:
i overheat after some madden or a little cod3. i generally dont want to feel tired when i game,
Don't be offended but I think you need to get in shape. I suggest less video games and more physical exercise for a change.
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20. January 2007 @ 17:12 |
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Originally posted by anubis66:
i overheat after some madden or a little cod3. i generally dont want to feel tired when i game,
Don't be offended but I think you need to get in shape. I suggest less video games and more physical exercise for a change.
Video games where made to sit down and play after a hard day of work..video games are suppose to be relaxing and fun to play...im not saying the wii is a bad thing its more of a party machine(as someone said earlier in this thread) where people get together at a house and play like ping pong together or volleyball of the kind of gameing...i personally like sitting down and relaxing to play a game...not jumping and swingimg my arms around like crazy...of course swinging my arms like carzy and jumping will tirer anyone out after an hour or 2 of jumping and swining..
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error5
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20. January 2007 @ 18:21 |
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BobbyBlu
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21. January 2007 @ 05:17 |
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The reason i dont like the Wii is because its just like anubis66 is saying..If you come in from a hard day of work the last thing i want to do is swing around a remote.I want to relax you can do this with the Sixaxis.
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21. January 2007 @ 08:48 |
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i love the ps3 but unfortunatley i don't own one. I don't like the sixaxis though because it seems unescessary. I like to just sit there and play with the buttons and joystics. But the wii isn't bad for people who are normally active and don't like to sit and play a game and would rather be moving and playing tennis or something.
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21. January 2007 @ 13:58 |
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The sixAxis is an option that can be used, it doesn't have to be mandatory.
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CrisKahn2
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21. January 2007 @ 20:10 |
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i dont understand why ppl think Sony had a difficult launch when every single console was sold within 24 hours of launch day. I guess its cause they didnt make enough PS3 to go around cuz i had enough money at the time to buy one but now i dont.....sad.
It is still early tho to judge a next gen console besides for 360 ofcourse. But we all saw what the 360 can do after a year or so(GOW)...so about a year from now the wii and the PS3 should have a game that will match the level of GOW. Even tho imo PS3 had the best launch title of any console with Resistance. But im still feeling shakey about the wii... since Zelda was also a port on GC and looks exactly the same and plays the same besides for the wiimote controll. Makes it seems like the GC can do what the wii does graphically. But like i said its still too early to judge.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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22. January 2007 @ 01:01 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
I'm going to start off by saying what most of us already know. This thread should be kept to facts, links, and if you've got a personal reason to which console you prefer, for pete's sakes... list your reasons why in a polite manner. We don't need any "believe me when I say XXX is going to win because it's freakin awsome, man" type of threads.
I've found many articles which pretty much come to the same conclusion. They're saying games on Blu-ray right now may hurt the ps3. None of this is my work, I'm just providing some links.
http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/110..._Is_Slower.html
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/1/17/6658[/quote]
those are great articles, but god are they miss leading peoples. first of all the Blu-ray isn't slower or should i say isn't gonna be slower for longer.
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The baseline data transfer rate of the Blu-ray technology is currently 36Mbps. 2x speed prototypes are in development with the intention of going up to 8x in the future. The numerical aperture used, 0.85, allows higher speeds. It also means that BDs require less recording power and lower disc rotation speeds to achieve the same data transfer rates as DVDs and HD DVDs.
Many manufacturers are starting to produce Blu-ray products. They are incorporating them into stand-alone recorders, game consoles, laptops, and PCs. BDA is recommending that manufacturers produce BD drives that are capable of reading DVDs. As such, optical heads have been created that can read CDs, DVDs and BDs. Panasonic released the first drive to support this, the SW-5582, and Pioneer has announced their drive will be released during the first quarter this year. The PlayStation 3 will also incorporate a Blu-ray drive.
i think you all should read this article, its the only one out there that isn't bias.
http://www.techspot.com/articles/blu-ray_vs_hddvd/
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22. January 2007 @ 01:44 |
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If you want me to tell you what a six axis is its;
A cheap rip-off of teh Wii-mote as it was only said to have it after the Wii-mote was said to have motion sensing and proves if sony had known this earlier they would have added more the Wii-mote can be used the same way as a ps3 one can by tiltting since its accelor-metres tell it in whihc direction and how fast the controler is moving whihc means tilting works like used in carbon.
COD3 on the Wii is pretty good and controls are easy unless anyboady is ortistic it shouldnt take more then 30min for you to become a pro at it gamespot also said that the lack of Online is made up by great controls...
The Wii graphically is much better then the Gamecube it has 343mhz while the GC only had 162 making it 2.5x faster.
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22. January 2007 @ 05:07 |
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those are great articles, but god are they miss leading peoples. first of all the Blu-ray isn't slower or should i say isn't gonna be slower for longer.
The baseline data transfer rate of the Blu-ray technology is currently 36Mbps. 2x speed prototypes are in development with the intention of going up to 8x in the future. The numerical aperture used, 0.85, allows higher speeds. It also means that BDs require less recording power and lower disc rotation speeds to achieve the same data transfer rates as DVDs and HD DVDs.
Many manufacturers are starting to produce Blu-ray products. They are incorporating them into stand-alone recorders, game consoles, laptops, and PCs. BDA is recommending that manufacturers produce BD drives that are capable of reading DVDs. As such, optical heads have been created that can read CDs, DVDs and BDs. Panasonic released the first drive to support this, the SW-5582, and Pioneer has announced their drive will be released during the first quarter this year. The PlayStation 3 will also incorporate a Blu-ray drive.
i think you all should read this article, its the only one out there that isn't bias.
http://www.techspot.com/articles/blu-ray_vs_hddvd/
That article is a good find, but it's a year old and it's comparing br vs hddvd. You quoted 36 mbps and a 2x prototype from that article. Sony's already using a 2x/72 mbps for their games which, obviously, is better than what that old article states.
The ps3's drive has a faster transfer rate for regular dvd's as compared to br. They'd get better results releasing games on dvd-9's.
Now, I have no doubt that in the future the ps3 will get faster drives, amongst other upgrades. That's why in my original post, which you quoted, I stated that RIGHT NOW Blu-ray games may be hurting the ps3. It work's decent enough for a movie player. But let's face it, I'm sure we all agree that we want the number one priority of the ps3 to be gaming.
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22. January 2007 @ 06:12 |
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Lets not forget that ps3 is a relativly new system and Blu-ray is new to game developers. The only way game developers are going to make Blu-ray games better is through trial and error. Who knows maybe they'll find a way to fix load time without wasting space. There is just one thing I don't understand. Lets say Blu-ray fails and it becomes obsolete, doesn't PS3 still have HD capabilites. What does the 360 have over the PS3 that they can't replicate? (honest question)
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22. January 2007 @ 06:41 |
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Originally posted by keeprolin:
What does the 360 have over the PS3 that they can't replicate? (honest question)
Honestly, neither should want to replicate each other. It's the competitiveness between the console manufactures which keeps the breakthrought, innovations, and prices (amongst other things) benefiting the consumers.
This isn't directed to keeprolin, but to any of the fanboys (not flaming ya's), while it's your god given right to have your negative opinions about one manufacturer or the other, you should never hope that they fail.
Take Nintendo for instance. With the way the Wii is steamrolling Sony and MS with sales, we (the consumer) may see a price cut sooner than later then if Nintendo had just faded out of the picture way back when.
Now, this is just an example... so please don't come back yelling to post a link to prove they're "steamrolling" or what-not. I'm just trying to paint a picture.
You guys see what I'm saying, right?
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22. January 2007 @ 07:38 |
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Double post sorry
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colinman
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22. January 2007 @ 10:18 |
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ps3 sales dropped significantly
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22. January 2007 @ 10:32 |
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Originally posted by keeprolin:
What does the 360 have over the PS3 that they can't replicate? (honest question)
Honestly, neither should want to replicate each other. It's the competitiveness between the console manufactures which keeps the breakthrought, innovations, and prices (amongst other things) benefiting the consumers.
This isn't directed to keeprolin, but to any of the fanboys (not flaming ya's), while it's your god given right to have your negative opinions about one manufacturer or the other, you should never hope that they fail.
Take Nintendo for instance. With the way the Wii is steamrolling Sony and MS with sales, we (the consumer) may see a price cut sooner than later then if Nintendo had just faded out of the picture way back when.
Now, this is just an example... so please don't come back yelling to post a link to prove they're "steamrolling" or what-not. I'm just trying to paint a picture.
You guys see what I'm saying, right?
i get whats your saying the 3 need eachother (consumer wise) not company wise...without nintendo (four use consumers) doing sooo good in sales the other two sony/microsoft will go ohh damm we need to do something to compete with that...so sony/microsoft will lower there console just a little to see if it can compete...if not the'll lower them alittle more..just to compete with nintendo doing so good.(so us consumers get good deals outta the 3 compteing money wise...is this what your saying?
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22. January 2007 @ 16:00 |
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Exactly. With the 3 putting out great systems, it'll keep them competitive.
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oofRome
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22. January 2007 @ 16:05 |
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Lets not forget that ps3 is a relativly new system and Blu-ray is new to game developers. The only way game developers are going to make Blu-ray games better is through trial and error.
It's not Blu-ray that is the problem. Blu-ray is merely data storage. The "trouble" developers are having concerns the rsx and especially the cell processor. (in regards to game quality. loading times are addressed below)
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Who knows maybe they'll find a way to fix load time without wasting space.
There are plenty of ways to minimize load times. Smart streaming and dumping files on the hard drive are common practices. Developers can't change the data transfer rate of the actual drive, though. That's where most of the loading times are concerned. The amount of information that is transfered from the disk to the unit via the laser is fixed because the speed at which the disk is spinning is physically fixed (2x) in the ps3.
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There is just one thing I don't understand. Lets say Blu-ray fails and it becomes obsolete, doesn't PS3 still have HD capabilites.
Absolutely. It would just be, more or less, a ps3 proprietary format. It won't have an effect on gaming either way.
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What does the 360 have over the PS3 that they can't replicate? (honest question)
Nothing, really. I'm not taking a dig at either company, but the 360 and the ps3 offer similar experiences.
However, the ps3 can play Blu-ray movies right out of the box.
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On the other hand blue-ray could fail. There is just one thing I don't really understand. If blue-ray fails miserably, and is obsolete (hypetheically speaking) why can't companies just not user blue-ray disks? Why can't game developers just start making games on the same disks the 360 uses.( I really don't know why can someone explain?)
Right now, sony is mandating that all games are BD. Maybe it would be helpful if you understand a big part of sony's strategy. The success of BD won't affect games, but the success of BD is almost vital to the other branches of Sony corp. Sony has invested a lot in Blu-ray, be it Sony pictures or movie playback electronics.
To touch back on the 360 vs ps3 question you posed earlier, the main difference is just the price. (And actually the 360 has a lot more gaming titles available, but for the sake of this argument don't worry about it) If Blu-ray fails, than in essense you would've spent an extra 200 dollars for a feature that wasn't needed.
On the flipside, if Blu-ray prevails, than not only do you have a ps3, but a Blu-ray player too - and at a cost less than what a standalone Blu-ray player retails at.
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23. January 2007 @ 03:44 |
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Take Nintendo for instance. With the way the Wii is steamrolling Sony and MS with sales, we (the consumer) may see a price cut sooner than later then if Nintendo had just faded out of the picture way back when.
I read a few articles on how MS makes a little profit per console sold while PS3 is tons of money per console. Maybe these articles are not that reliable but if this is the case I don't see a drop in PS3 prices. (this might also lead to the downfall of PS3)
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23. January 2007 @ 04:11 |
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I thought I read too on IGN that MS was making a slight profit now on their consoles. Also, they are projected to make like $70 million off of Live for next year.
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oofRome
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23. January 2007 @ 09:52 |
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I read a few articles on how MS makes a little profit per console sold while PS3 is tons of money per console. Maybe these articles are not that reliable but if this is the case I don't see a drop in PS3 prices. (this might also lead to the downfall of PS3)
Right now, I'm pretty sure Sony is losing money off every console sold.
The microsoft figure might be right. They were losing money too when it was launched, but after 13+ months, they have to at least be breaking even.
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26. January 2007 @ 08:56 |
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I know the price of the PS3 is greater than the price of the 360 but isn't the PS3 equivalent of Xbox live free? I think people who talk about the price difference should consider that when they choose one to buy. With the price of Xbox live, you would probably be better off moneywise after a few years if u got the PS3 i think.
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26. January 2007 @ 10:01 |
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Originally posted by sunset29:
I know the price of the PS3 is greater than the price of the 360 but isn't the PS3 equivalent of Xbox live free? I think people who talk about the price difference should consider that when they choose one to buy. With the price of Xbox live, you would probably be better off moneywise after a few years if u got the PS3 i think.
I think the difference is that XBL isn't required to play a game, I know many people who don't use the gold service b/c they hate dealing little brats while playing a game, so they mostly just play single player or split screen. I use it, but it's personal preference, but at least you're given the choice as to how much you want to spend.
Also, you may want to change your sig before a mod sees it, advertising on this site is not allowed and considered spam.
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26. January 2007 @ 10:07 |
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Sony isnt making any money on there consoles yet they are losing about $100 on each one sold!!
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