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Yet Another Console Debate Thread.
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oofRome
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1. March 2007 @ 08:16 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
I didn't have 1 problem with spending the initial investment for my PS3 because of that, I want what is the best tech available RIGHT NOW, not a rushed system that *may* lose it's steam in say 2 more years.
The 360 has been out for well over a year, and DVD-9's are still sufficient. One of the biggest concerns was fitting a huge RPG on a single disk. Oblivion proved it was possible, and now Mass Effect. The former an award winning game, and the latter with equal expectations. And while I can't tell you if the 360 will eventually tank or not, I do think that there are a number of solid games, mass effect included, that have yet to be released. I think that, for at least another year, the 360 will continue to have it's steam.
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Now, I have to add that although I might seem pro PS3 and not so pro 360 that is wrong; as all they would have to do is implement the use of multiple discs for future titles. And though annoying it may be to swap discs, it's not that big of a deal.
Agreed.
Heck, one of the better Final Fantasy's was on 4 disks.
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1. March 2007 @ 09:10 |
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Yeah... FF VIII rocked
*me gets tears in his eyes*
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AFreak
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1. March 2007 @ 09:13 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
I didn't have 1 problem with spending the initial investment for my PS3 because of that, I want what is the best tech available RIGHT NOW, not a rushed system that *may* lose it's steam in say 2 more years.
The 360 has been out for well over a year, and DVD-9's are still sufficient. One of the biggest concerns was fitting a huge RPG on a single disk. Oblivion proved it was possible, and now Mass Effect. The former an award winning game, and the latter with equal expectations. And while I can't tell you if the 360 will eventually tank or not, I do think that there are a number of solid games, mass effect included, that have yet to be released. I think that, for at least another year, the 360 will continue to have it's steam.
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Now, I have to add that although I might seem pro PS3 and not so pro 360 that is wrong; as all they would have to do is implement the use of multiple discs for future titles. And though annoying it may be to swap discs, it's not that big of a deal.
Agreed.
Heck, one of the better Final Fantasy's was on 4 disks.
and Blue Dragon proved that DVD-9s aren't that great.
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oofRome
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1. March 2007 @ 10:22 |
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Well played, sir.
Although the last 2 generations also saw multiple disk games, too. So a theory that there will never be enough room, but developers will make do with whatever is available might be appropriate?
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BobbyBlu
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1. March 2007 @ 11:08 |
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The point is there is nothing about 360 that give you a Nex-gen feel.They use old tech but charge you Nex-gen price.If there games are on the same DVD-9 disc why are they charging you 60 bucks.
This is the reason PS3 will be a better system in the long run compared to 360
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=103088
Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 1. March 2007 @ 11:16
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AFreak
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1. March 2007 @ 11:22 |
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Originally posted by oofRome:
Well played, sir.
Although the last 2 generations also saw multiple disk games, too. So a theory that there will never be enough room, but developers will make do with whatever is available might be appropriate?
Yes, but last generation saw DVDs having two discs, so I don't see why people think that DVDs are going to be enough in the long run. I like to think of it this way, we could still be using CDs to play video games, we'd just have to switch out 12 discs during a game, so why don't we? it'd be even cheaper than DVD or Blu-ray. I think its because if you have a better format, you should use it, just because disc swapping isn't that bad, doesn't mean it couldn't be a problem(see my CD example). I just don't see how people can say Blu-ray isn't needed, now it may not be needed right now, but that does not mean it won't become needed in the long run.
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1. March 2007 @ 11:32 |
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Well BobbyBlu as usual I DO agree with you.
But I wouldn't say that Xbox 360 doesn't give you a next gen feel..
Because the first time I saw the Xbox 360 in action I was a bit surprised for its good graphics.
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1. March 2007 @ 12:04 |
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"We've actually got a prototype on the PS3 that simulates liquid like no one's seen before.."
Amazing..
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CrisKahn2
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1. March 2007 @ 15:59 |
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The point is there is nothing about 360 that give you a Nex-gen feel.They use old tech but charge you Nex-gen price.If there games are on the same DVD-9 disc why are they charging you 60 bucks.
I think your statement fits well more with the Wii than the 360 ...
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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oofRome
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1. March 2007 @ 21:35 |
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Originally posted by BobbyBlu:
The point is there is nothing about 360 that give you a Nex-gen feel.
Haha. As I'm sure you can just feel the Blu-ray-ness of the game while in the middle of playing it.
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They use old tech but charge you Nex-gen price.If there games are on the same DVD-9 disc why are they charging you 60 bucks.
This is something I'd like to look into further. I'm assuming the majority of the cost is just because development costs are higher, larger teams are required for nex-gen games. But I am curious to what the costs are for 360 vs ps3. If you happen to run across anything, please post it. Maybe Devs are being a little more greedy with 360 titles. (And Wii titles, as kahn pointed out)
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This is the reason PS3 will be a better system in the long run compared to 360
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=103088
Ah. The Cell, and another article all about it's potential. I don't know what to say, other than I agree that it is a slick processor. But do you know what superb systems had inferior processors? The previous two (very successful) playstations. Which is why I personally don't find it all to important.
However, I do find it peculiar that in that article, "procedural systhesis" is mentioned to help unleash some of the cell power. As it were, "procedural synthesis" also works on the 360, and it's also one of the handy tools developers use to keep 360 games on one disk. Nifty, eh?
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Yes, but last generation saw DVDs having two discs, so I don't see why people think that DVDs are going to be enough in the long run.
http://gamesfirst.com/displayImage.php?a...0,&imageID=3105
Here is a chart of the average size of xbox games, over the period of the console's life. The 360's launch titles averaged about half of a DVD9. If we take the same growth rate, than the size should be sufficient enough for the majority of 360 titles.
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I like to think of it this way, we could still be using CDs to play video games, we'd just have to switch out 12 discs during a game, so why don't we? it'd be even cheaper than DVD or Blu-ray. I think its because if you have a better format, you should use it, just because disc swapping isn't that bad, doesn't mean it couldn't be a problem(see my CD example).
That's a good point except that, in the ps3's case, Blu-ray added a substantial cost to the system.
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I just don't see how people can say Blu-ray isn't needed, now it may not be needed right now, but that does not mean it won't become needed in the long run.
On the flipside, it might also not be needed. My take, as I mentioned earlier, is that Devs will use whatever they can to make what they want to work will work. Be it more space, or better compression tools. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple ps3 games be multidisk in the future.
But I see how it might look that someone would be arguing for less space. Like I said, it's a double edged sword, as the Blu-ray drive resulted in a more expensive playstation unit. Be that as it may, I feel that the strength ps3 has with Blu-ray is movie playback - Not a game medium.
I don't care if a game comes on a cartrige, cd, dvd, or can be downloaded. If it's good, it's good. If it's bad, it will end up as garbage anyways. :-)
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CrisKahn2
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2. March 2007 @ 07:43 |
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Haha. As I'm sure you can just feel the Blu-ray-ness of the game while in the middle of playing it.
Haha good one i actually laughed out loud "LOL"
Actually i felt some kind of coldness while playing the PS3 it could actually be the Blu-ray-ness sensation...
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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AFreak
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2. March 2007 @ 12:36 |
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People say its substantial, but for what you get it is not. 600 bucks, and things like GPS devices are even more expensive, hell the IPhone is 600 bucks, but i dont see people bitching about that price, only when its a Sony product.
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AFreak
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2. March 2007 @ 12:36 |
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People say its substantial, but for what you get it is not. 600 bucks, and things like GPS devices are even more expensive, hell the IPhone is 600 bucks, but i dont see people bitching about that price, only when its a Sony product.
Also, I really believe that Sony's newest announcements are going to make them THE definitive best again, they alreadu have the games coming out(whatever you say cant counteract the fact they have amazing games coming like MGS4/Lair/etc.) Point is, DVD Upscaling, most likely rumble back, playstation home, etc. Sony is just as good as they used to be, maybe better. The only negative for the system now is the price, and like i stated above, it isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Put forth a little effort and 600 bucks isn't that hard to come by in a couple of months, hell im a college student and yet ive found time to save up 3k. Anywho, I can't wait till i get a real job so I can affford an HD-TV, for that is the only real reason I have not jumped onto the newer consoles yet.
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2. March 2007 @ 12:44 |
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Originally posted by AFreak:
People say its substantial, but for what you get it is not. 600 bucks, and things like GPS devices are even more expensive, hell the IPhone is 600 bucks, but i dont see people bitching about that price, only when its a Sony product.
ummm gps are very cheap look here
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4016515
gpses only get expansive if you get to much crap on it you dont need
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=538883
but yeah the iphone is expansive but not many poeple are buying it...and the ps3 is 600$ for a gaming machine with extra feature that i see not needed...:0...i think its over priced
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BobbyBlu
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2. March 2007 @ 13:02 |
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I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple ps3 games be multidisk in the future.
Thats a bet im willing to take not in the PS3 life time.
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Haha. As I'm sure you can just feel the Blu-ray-ness of the game while in the middle of playing it.
No its the fact that i know that i paid for new tech that has alot more to offer in the future than a company telling me there system is Nex-gen but nothing more than a DVD player under a new hood.
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I feel that the strength ps3 has with Blu-ray is movie playback - Not a game medium.
For years gamer has alway been upset that games don't play in real time now with Blu-ray PS3 can offer gamer this.
Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.
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celebi10
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3. March 2007 @ 02:57 |
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See, I hate those Sony fanboys. 1. Learn to spell. 2. Get a life. 3. If you love your PS3 so much, why don't you edited for content that violates forum rules. Then you will forever be together, in holey matrimony, till death do you fart.
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3. March 2007 @ 04:33 |
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celebi10 you say how other people can't spell, while you wrote "holey matrimony". Hmm... that must make it a matrimony with holes in it.
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3. March 2007 @ 05:32 |
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Originally posted by celebi10:
See, I hate those Sony fanboys. 1. Learn to spell. 2. Get a life. 3. If you love your PS3 so much, why don't you edited for content that violates forum rules. Then you will forever be together, in holey matrimony, till death do you fart.
I was going to perma ban you but I think making you have to wait a whole month to post under this name is better. But do something like that again and you will be removed, no problems.
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3. March 2007 @ 06:05 |
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Nice job Oner ;)
You are the best mod ^^
But he will probably just make another account :/
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oofRome
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3. March 2007 @ 19:08 |
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Thats a bet im willing to take not in the PS3 life time.
I guess we have a wager than. :-)
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For years gamer has alway been upset that games don't play in real time now with Blu-ray PS3 can offer gamer this.
Blu-ray adds nothing to the graphical quality of the game.
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(whatever you say cant counteract the fact they have amazing games coming like MGS4/Lair/etc.)
Agreed.
Don't forget Killzone 2.
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BobbyBlu
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4. March 2007 @ 06:14 |
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Blu-ray adds nothing to the graphical quality of the game.
True your right but with the disc space real time can be more posssible than a dream.I don't care how M$ claim that a DVD-9 is more than enough space that BS because if you going to add HD content it take up alot of space including sound also thats a space hog you can only compress something so much before you run out of room, that why 360 game are encoded in 720p.Just about all there games are going to be upscaled to 1080i & 1080p.They have one game that i seen so far that going to be a true native 1080p[encode in 1080p] thats Virtua Tennis 3.Sports title's don't take up much space that why they was able to pull this off but i'm willing to bet you will never see a 360 rpg or fps encoded in 1080p or 1080i.
Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.
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oofRome
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4. March 2007 @ 19:00 |
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Blu-ray adds nothing to the graphical quality of the game.
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True your right but with the disc space real time can be more posssible than a dream.
Sounds to me like you don't have a clue what real-time is.
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4. March 2007 @ 19:41 |
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that space allows fully uniquely textured and extensively wireframed real-time cutscenes, so you dont get a nice video and then cut to an ok game.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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BobbyBlu
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5. March 2007 @ 00:17 |
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Originally posted by anubis66:
that space allows fully uniquely textured and extensively wireframed real-time cutscenes, so you dont get a nice video and then cut to an ok game.
Thank You Anubis66
You not following me oofrome i'm saying that with this space Dev's have more room to do things, what they do with it is up to them.Its not like the pass with PS2 when Dev's complain about how they had little room to do thing just to make excuses for games that was made up of mostly cutscenes.
Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.
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johnblaze
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5. March 2007 @ 07:04 |
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You guys realize that pre-rendered cut scenes take up considerably more memory than one that is rendered realtime with the game engine? Memory was never the bottleneck to do this, it was the graphics engine, which is why pre-renders were done a lot more last generation, this generation, the trend seems to be in-game renders, which 360 games currently do (GOW and RB6 for example). If anything, you should be arguing that Blue-ray allows for more pre-rendered high-def cut scenes, which is where it's true potential lies.
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