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23. November 2007 @ 16:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
So is anyone else on the ms28 iXtreme 1.3? Because if they aren't banned, then I'm going back to it! We should be talking more about what the issue is for people that are getting banned! Lots of people have said it's not the Firmware, so lets leave it at that! Lets Look into the Bad Backups now, no more Firmware this Firmware that!


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23. November 2007 @ 18:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by dsdavis6:
i played the COD4 USA release when it came out... to my memory i wasnt on live at the time... however i have been since... plenty... not banned here running ixtreme 1.3 on a ms28

i played it till the day of the ban so far im ok (same firmware as you and drive) but loads of the posts on xbox scene mentioned cod4 and when i scaned it it said sorry not found in database

open dvd mullet
scan the disc
click crc checking
not auto fix the other button (name escapes me)
tick both boxs on the resaulting popup and scan
if it finds it in the database at the end all is fine

what its doing (to my understanding) is checking it against crc of proper backed up games (those done with the right drive etc) if it finds it then you have an exact 1:1 copy of the original if it doesnt the data is out and ms could detect it and ban you (this is what i have learnt from reading everything i can not just random theorys but from up high)

its depressed me as that means a lot of my games are suddenly time bomb coasters :(
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23. November 2007 @ 18:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by dsdavis6:
i played the COD4 USA release when it came out... to my memory i wasnt on live at the time... however i have been since... plenty... not banned here running ixtreme 1.3 on a ms28


click crc checking
not auto fix the other button (name escapes me)
tick both boxs on the resaulting popup and scan
if it finds it in the database at the end all is fine



i did exactly like what you said on assassins creed download from a torrent called all stars and it didnt match the data base and ir gave me a warning that i am at a risk, but its ixtreme compitabel,huh and it worked fine , i used it on my 360 but i take my ethernet cable out when i play it ,,does that matter
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23. November 2007 @ 19:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Oh crap, I hope I don't get banned. I flashed my 360 a week ago, its a Hitachi 78 drive with iXtreme 1.2 firmware, I'm always connected to Xbox Live when playing games, and every game I have is stealth patched, maybe thats why I haven't been banned, but just to be safe, i'm going to disconnect the ethernet cable for a while.
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23. November 2007 @ 22:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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video is not working the ridges

here ya go
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...326948249&hl=fr

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24. November 2007 @ 08:37 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
bleep i got banned :@

i tried to get on live a couple of days ago but it wouldnt sign in, now i know why.

as for details, the drive is hitachi but i duno what fw version it has as i bought it pre-flashed

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25. November 2007 @ 02:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
So are we starting to think that it is because of bad backups? Because all of my games are checked with DVDMulleter and CRC Checker, and it all goes through! I'm still not playing online though... Want to see what's going to happen in the next few days! Does anyone know if the ms28's with iXtreme 1.3 have been banned? Because that is what I'm on right now!

Also, does anyone know if C4EVA is working on a firmware or anything?


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25. November 2007 @ 07:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Do the bans happen only if you are playing a game online or has anyone been banned just by logging into their dashboard/ marketplace? (Downloading a trailer or demo)?

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25. November 2007 @ 12:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by atomick:
Do the bans happen only if you are playing a game online or has anyone been banned just by logging into their dashboard/ marketplace? (Downloading a trailer or demo)?

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i believe i have heard somebody getting banned just through logging into their dashboard but i think they downloaded something from another region through the marketplace or something like that...

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25. November 2007 @ 16:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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So are we starting to think that it is because of bad backups? Because all of my games are checked with DVDMulleter and CRC Checker, and it all goes through! I'm still not playing online though... Want to see what's going to happen in the next few days! Does anyone know if the ms28's with iXtreme 1.3 have been banned? Because that is what I'm on right now!

Also, does anyone know if C4EVA is working on a firmware or anything?
yeah, i am 1.3 on ms28... it was said a few posts previous. still not banned to my knowledge...

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One of the most stupidest things you can do wright now, 1st turn your 360 on if your on a hacked f/w and 2nd test your connection, because, if you think about it, you could be sending some shit to m$ about your information on the drive, i'm not saying its wright but just think. And all of all, it can't be from ppl getting banned because they have made bad backups and inserted then into the 360 drive to test them to see if they worked, I have made over 15-20 bad backups and I have not been banned, the last time I was on was about 1 1/2 ago to see if I was banned stupid me.
I very much doubt signing into xbox live right now... after playing all these back ups online (if u have been) is going to trigger alarms at microsoft... i would have thought... they work out who is going to get banned according to certain criteria they match or do not... and ban them over a period of time... and if anybody does something that meets this criteria... they will just be added to the list... i really dont think connecting to xbox live for a couple minutes triggers anything... just my opinion though
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25. November 2007 @ 16:41 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
look this is the thing,
we dont write the hacked firmware most of us are using and all in all we dont know what M$ is looking for except for what they have told us,
so all in all your opinions on how you will get banned or what is getting people banned really don't matter for much because we know almost nothing compared to those writing the actual firmwares..

and if they say its from bad back-ups then its from bad back-ups,and thats all we can go by right now...
im not banned so i guess i didn't have bad back-ups, if they could detect the actual firmware hack then we would all be banned....so i think its a back-up issue..


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25. November 2007 @ 18:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by theridges:
look this is the thing,
we dont write the hacked firmware most of us are using and all in all we dont know what M$ is looking for except for what they have told us,
so all in all your opinions on how you will get banned or what is getting people banned really don't matter for much because we know almost nothing compared to those writing the actual firmwares..

and if they say its from bad back-ups then its from bad back-ups,and thats all we can go by right now...
im not banned so i guess i didn't have bad back-ups, if they could detect the actual firmware hack then we would all be banned....so i think its a back-up issue..
it is bad backups no doubt about it as for not having bad backups because as u have not been banned well i have scaned several disks and a few recent ones are bad area51 wwe cod4 i am not banned YET now my hope is that there only just leant to scan and i got lucky but the reality of it is that ms proberly already tagged me and ill be got latter but hey its the price we pay for modding. I seriously suggest u scan the crc of all back ups and dont use the bad ones (it takes a while but worth it) in the mean time lets hope the scene get it in gear and take time to release quality rather then speeding through to be first group torelease

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25. November 2007 @ 19:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I scanned the crc of all my back ups (most ripped by myself with a kreon drive) and a lot of them come up as not in database, so is the databsae check correct?
i still play on live and am not too fussed if i get banned, if i was i wouldnt mod my console :-)



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25. November 2007 @ 20:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by shinnster:
I scanned the crc of all my back ups (most ripped by myself with a kreon drive) and a lot of them come up as not in database, so is the databsae check correct?
i still play on live and am not too fussed if i get banned, if i was i wouldnt mod my console :-)
From what i understand from the high ups if it says not in database then its a bad back up however they also say the kreon firmware in the relevent drives make perfect back ups .... so thats confused me

for my part losing live would be annoying hell i know the risk i know at some point i will lose live and have to buy yet another console so to avoid that if it says not found in database it gets a cross on the disc and do not use written on it (that way when i get banned the baned console will play the crossed discs thats how sure i am that at some point i will be banned, im planning for it lol) but im doing all i can to prolong it :) (bet if i turn it on right now ill found im banned that would be true irony !!! lol

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25. November 2007 @ 22:29 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by shinnster:
I scanned the crc of all my back ups (most ripped by myself with a kreon drive) and a lot of them come up as not in database, so is the databsae check correct?
i still play on live and am not too fussed if i get banned, if i was i wouldnt mod my console :-)
From what i understand from the high ups if it says not in database then its a bad back up however they also say the kreon firmware in the relevent drives make perfect back ups .... so thats confused me

for my part losing live would be annoying hell i know the risk i know at some point i will lose live and have to buy yet another console so to avoid that if it says not found in database it gets a cross on the disc and do not use written on it (that way when i get banned the baned console will play the crossed discs thats how sure i am that at some point i will be banned, im planning for it lol) but im doing all i can to prolong it :) (bet if i turn it on right now ill found im banned that would be true irony !!! lol
lol,
what higher ups are you talking too??
the database is ran from an irc channel and forums here
http://www.devilsps3.centelia.net/360stealth/

if its not in the database then go ask in the channel and they will tell you just to do the autofix or not because there ISO's just dont match the scene releases sometimes...
and sometimes if its not found in the database then they haven't put it in the database yet COD4 stealth files and Assassins Creed were just put in a couple of days ago i say max 3....


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25. November 2007 @ 23:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
that and also where I have read multiple times is that your kreon drive is always right. Don't ever doubt it. Just each game say Halo 3 may have up to 10 different ss files that are changed and editted and all that. so If you rip it in you kreon just trust it. If your not banned. you obviously havent burnned any bad games yet.. unleess you havent played them in awhile (prob. like a few months). So just rip in kreon if downloading then just do the autofix.

yeah i'm the man
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Well, i guess i have to go back and do the CRC check on all my stuff now then. But i can tell you i know people still running Version 5.2 firmware and they are not banned yet. So i would rule firmware out.

It could be bad back up, it could be 100 other things too. Think about it. The two bannings came at the convenient time of two of the biggest 360 game releases (Halo 3 and COD4). Since i only play one game online i guess i am not real worried.


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27. November 2007 @ 00:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by steimy:
Well, i guess i have to go back and do the CRC check on all my stuff now then. But i can tell you i know people still running Version 5.2 firmware and they are not banned yet. So i would rule firmware out.

It could be bad back up, it could be 100 other things too. Think about it. The two bannings came at the convenient time of two of the biggest 360 game releases (Halo 3 and COD4). Since i only play one game online i guess i am not real worried.
For those whos brains cannot reach beyond the norm should realize that Microsoft is detecting the hacked firmware/and or disk a bunch of different ways than we all think. Some people keep saying well "why are some people who are running firm 5.2 or whatever aren't banned?" That's because Microsoft bans a certain amount of people at 1 given time. Lets say they choose to ban 200,000 people, that doesn't mean that they don't know of all the other modders..because they do know EVERY last one who has iXtreme or whatever firmware you have. I find it funny when people say Microsoft can't detect that you have a hacked firmware on your DVD ROM drive, that's just not true. Microsoft pretty much knows of everyone that's running a hacked firmware, its just the fact that they "choose" not to ban every last one. So they pick an amount of consoles that's been hacked and ban by that number they generate. So to sum things up, if you haven't been banned like me this time around it's because you didn't fall in Microsoft's 100,000 or so users ban list bracket. So just know that each time a ban roles around which will happen periodically to basically clean house, don't be surprised when you get got..because Microsoft knows everything that you're doing with your 360. They've learned from Xbox 1..im out!!
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27. November 2007 @ 01:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
dude, you can't go saying this, which is clearly your opinion, and trying to represent it as fact of the matter as to what is happening. No one really knows yet. We all have a good idea it is the bad copy of games, but we aren't 100% sure. No need to go saying this is what it is when you don't know
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27. November 2007 @ 01:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by guessswho:
dude, you can't go saying this, which is clearly your opinion, and trying to represent it as fact of the matter as to what is happening. No one really knows yet. We all have a good idea it is the bad copy of games, but we aren't 100% sure. No need to go saying this is what it is when you don't know
I have to agree with guessswho on that one! No one really knows why people are getting banned. And unless you have a source to what you just said, maybe you should just shut it for a while!


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27. November 2007 @ 02:04 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by steimy:
Well, i guess i have to go back and do the CRC check on all my stuff now then. But i can tell you i know people still running Version 5.2 firmware and they are not banned yet. So i would rule firmware out.

It could be bad back up, it could be 100 other things too. Think about it. The two bannings came at the convenient time of two of the biggest 360 game releases (Halo 3 and COD4). Since i only play one game online i guess i am not real worried.
For those whos brains cannot reach beyond the norm should realize that Microsoft is detecting the hacked firmware/and or disk a bunch of different ways than we all think. Some people keep saying well "why are some people who are running firm 5.2 or whatever aren't banned?" That's because Microsoft bans a certain amount of people at 1 given time. Lets say they choose to ban 200,000 people, that doesn't mean that they don't know of all the other modders..because they do know EVERY last one who has iXtreme or whatever firmware you have. I find it funny when people say Microsoft can't detect that you have a hacked firmware on your DVD ROM drive, that's just not true. Microsoft pretty much knows of everyone that's running a hacked firmware, its just the fact that they "choose" not to ban every last one. So they pick an amount of consoles that's been hacked and ban by that number they generate. So to sum things up, if you haven't been banned like me this time around it's because you didn't fall in Microsoft's 100,000 or so users ban list bracket. So just know that each time a ban roles around which will happen periodically to basically clean house, don't be surprised when you get got..because Microsoft knows everything that you're doing with your 360. They've learned from Xbox 1..im out!!

sorry buddy but your wrong,
first off you probably weren't around in the xbox1 modding days because if they know your console is modded your banned no ifs, ands or buts about it.
so if they did know then we would all be banned right now and thats the end of your idiotic rant.
M$ dont care what you think if you mod and they know it your banned..
do you think there sitting in an office like "yea yea only ban a few at a time just to mess with there brains"
lol C4E and the other firmware writers know the exact code sent to the xbox from M$ when a game loads and knows what they look for thats why they had to wait for the night of them bannings to find out if M$ had changed that code which they didn't so like i said just stop.
just because you had bad back-ups dont just spew nonsense..

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27. November 2007 @ 02:41 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
hey guys how to scan the crc of my backup...and with what..i did do some with dvd mulleter and it seems to b all good...but never know..
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Paul91, if you join us again watch the language.


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27. November 2007 @ 08:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
brifa, DVDmulleter would be what i would use. So if you scan it and it is found in the database and checks out ok that is about the most i would do right now.

and fgamer, i will ignore this "For those whos brains cannot reach beyond the norm" as your rant is no different then the 100's of other posts here. Pure theory with no facts.

The theory about a "naughty list" is nothing new. People said the same thing about the first ban wave. Now i will agree that anything is possible and i myself have speculated about the possibility of such a list (long before your insightful post) as an option. But as theridges stated it is highly unlikely. If you follow MS and their past action with Xbox Live on the original Xbox it was an immediate ban for any console that was detected as being modded in any way. That included softmodding, modchips, and hard drive upgrades.

And if you think about it if you were Microsoft and wanted to gain a lot of quick cash, when would you ban as many people as you could? Well a month before Christmas time would be a really good time. Knowing that their console sales would increase quite a bit from all the modders who now had to go buy a new console. This would make their end of the year numbers look fantastic.

So i figure if they had more people that they knew about then now would have been the perfect time, from a business standpoint, to ban them.


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27. November 2007 @ 10:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
hey guys i got my hitachi(know for sure) drive w xtreme 1.2(i think thats the name)...was playing assassins creed offline then change my disc to GRAW 2(original)...went on XBL and didnt get banned...just wondering why i didnt get banned...was bcos i change for a original 360 game or they didnt scan meatt all?how does this banning works?
 
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