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'Far Cry 2' doesn't want to fall into 'Spore's' DRM trap
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 18 October, 2008
According to a post on the official Ubisoft forum, it appears the French game publisher is looking to not fall into the same traps that Electronic Arts has with their hit game Spore which has been slammed for using restrictive SecuROM DRM.
For the upcoming expected blockbuster Far Cry 2, Ubisoft has admitted they will be using DRM, but with much less restrictions then Spore or Bioshock.
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sgriesch
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18. October 2008 @ 19:22 |
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While this is much better than EA's DRM, the install limitations are still not in the consumer's favor. I end up getting a new PC about once every year and a half, so I could burn through my 3 PC's installs quickly, especially if I put it on three machines that I already have. The best answer is to not limit the consumer. I went to buy a PC game from Best Buy last night, and actually looked to see if my game was made by EA. If it was, then I wasn't going to buy it. I saw Red Alert 3 will be from EA, (which I buy every Command and Conquer game), but since it has the DRM, I will not be buying it. Anyone know if Kane Wrath (expansion for C&C3) has that limitation on it? I haven't purchased it yet.
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18. October 2008 @ 19:43 |
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??? trying to figure out how the Game knows what PC it was installed on, if i install a new CPU does it count that as a different PC. that is part of upgrading.
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18. October 2008 @ 21:29 |
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It wouldn't matter, the revoke system would refund an activation to your account.
To be honest, it may have less restrictions, but I certainly would not want any kind of DRM MALWARE on my system. If I want this game and cannot buy it without this malware being installed on my system chances are my only way of getting it would simply be to download a cracked version with no DRM in it, which I'm sure a lot of people are going to do anyway.
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sgriesch
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18. October 2008 @ 23:41 |
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Originally posted by Mik3h:
It wouldn't matter, the revoke system would refund an activation to your account.
(DXR88) - By CPU, do you mean processor or entire machine?
You get 3 different PC installs. There are no revoke PC's. If you put it on one PC and uninstall it, then that PC counts as one of your three.
Revokes only work per machine. If you upgrade your video card, you must remember to uninstall correctly and then re-install. That would revoke the install count on that machine. If your machine crashed, and you had to replace your hard drive, when you re-installed the game that would count as your second for that machine. There is no way around the 3 PC restriction.....yet.
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bomber991
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19. October 2008 @ 00:12 |
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All you people complaining.
"Waaah, what if my operating system has to be reinstalled six times, then I'll be out of installs"
The main flaw with that argument is that the game with the install limit will be a game that's played for years and years, like starcraft, diablo 2, and counter-strike. You figure you reinstall the os every 6 months, then thats 2 and a half years you can play before your game is no good anymore.
But yeah, it's still bs to have install limits.
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atomicxl
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19. October 2008 @ 01:35 |
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Originally posted by bomber991:
All you people complaining.
"Waaah, what if my operating system has to be reinstalled six times, then I'll be out of installs"
The main flaw with that argument is that the game with the install limit will be a game that's played for years and years, like starcraft, diablo 2, and counter-strike. You figure you reinstall the os every 6 months, then thats 2 and a half years you can play before your game is no good anymore.
But yeah, it's still bs to have install limits.
I think you're crazy if you're suggesting that the average person installs a new OS every 6 months. If your tweaks basically break your system twice a year maybe you should consider if you honestly have the know-how to tweak a computer.
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spamual
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19. October 2008 @ 01:50 |
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you lot realise you can uninstall it, and get your install back, so its practially unlimited.
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fgamer
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19. October 2008 @ 04:23 |
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I am so anti-drm, but guys you must say that this is a step in the right direction. And I see people here wanting more more and more. You're just not gonna get it. So I think people need to support Far Cry 2 if it's a good game and not just download it simply because it's not the way they want it to be which will never happen. I mean people, they have to protect their games somehow, so you can't think they're just gonna put it out there with no protection at all.
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elbald90
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19. October 2008 @ 04:39 |
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i think that everyone should download it regardless of whether they want it or not and then spam the forums and ratings with anti drm comments until they stop this bs we pay good money for these products we should be able to use them and sell them on as we please no other industry would get away with it outside of the media industry imagine if u couldnt sell your house or car because the makers had limited it
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13thHouR
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19. October 2008 @ 05:20 |
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And again how will this stop piracy, why don't they just be honest and state they are trying to stop the second hand market, oh yes, LAW SUITS, because its against the law to stop you selling them!
Another title i won't be purchasing and will be advising every gamer i know in the on-line and off-line gaming world.
Time to spam wow, eve, guild-wars, americas army, battlefield ect.
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19. October 2008 @ 06:08 |
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yeah it is step to right direction, but this is yet another game i wont be playing. If it was solely for piracy they made 2-5 install limit per month. Loosing 2-5 copies per month wouldn´t be big loose, and as it was before only one copy could get to online at the time. Well luckyly im still not tired of tf2.
Damn i miss westwood studios... they let two with same serial to play at internet. Now we have these damn install limits. i for one buy only those games that i will install more than 5 times and consider games that i install only once a some what bad purchase, but it just might be that 99,8& of ea games are that crappy that most people dont want to play those more than once.
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Jaketus
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19. October 2008 @ 06:38 |
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It's complitely idiotic to have DRM on a game.
People who download it illegally wont have DRM with the game anyway so only people who boought it from store legally suffer because of it.
It has happend with Spore, and all the other games that include DRM. There's just no way you or anybody can stop piracy. And trying to do so is just plain stupid and will cost alot of sales and money (like in the Spore's case, many downloaded it instead of buying because of DRM).
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13thHouR
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19. October 2008 @ 07:35 |
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Originally posted by Jaketus:
It's complitely idiotic to have DRM on a game.
People who download it illegally wont have DRM with the game anyway so only people who boought it from store legally suffer because of it.
Basic DRM is to stop casual copying and is fair enough but Sony's SecuROM DRM that is being used on FarCry2 and Spore, MassEffect, Bioshock, Command & Conquer 3 ect has nothing to do with piracy.
A basic cd check with bad/weak sectors is enough to deter the casual gamer, this DRM is beyond belief but what do you expect from Sony DRM?
SONY'S DRM SECUROM 7 IS ABOUT DESTROYING THE SECOND HAND GAME MARKET, THEY WANT TO SELL EVERYONE A NEW COPY OF THE GAME AND BLOCK SECOND HAND SALES.
Just as the MPAA and RIAA want to block second hand sales of media, or charge every person extra money for the privilege of moving media they have already purchased to their iPod, notebook ect.
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19. October 2008 @ 09:00 |
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I,for one,think this is spectacular.
This is basically insuring that you DON'T run out of installations,and at the same time it would be very difficult to pirate.
You can even share it with your friends,if you want,and they KNOW this,yet they still let you have all of these activations.
So you can't pirate it,but that's making it safe to share this game with six or ten friends,online or otherwise.
I applaud this,with absolutely no objections.
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19. October 2008 @ 09:35 |
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Quote:
SONY'S DRM SECUROM 7 IS ABOUT DESTROYING THE SECOND HAND GAME MARKET, THEY WANT TO SELL EVERYONE A NEW COPY OF THE GAME AND BLOCK SECOND HAND SALES.
When has the PC game market ever Had a Second hand, ow wait i completely forgot about the late 70's early 80's games. the only second hand games would be those without multi-player Values.
this is a step in the right direction. DRM is here to stay since the 90's till the end of the world get used to it. you know as well as i do that pirates probably already have the DRM mechanics figured out.
besides we could have Starforce DRM do you want Starforce drm, i dont.
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13thHouR
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19. October 2008 @ 10:44 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
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SONY'S DRM SECUROM 7 IS ABOUT DESTROYING THE SECOND HAND GAME MARKET, THEY WANT TO SELL EVERYONE A NEW COPY OF THE GAME AND BLOCK SECOND HAND SALES.
When has the PC game market ever Had a Second hand, ow wait i completely forgot about the late 70's early 80's games. the only second hand games would be those without multi-player Values.
this is a step in the right direction. DRM is here to stay since the 90's till the end of the world get used to it. you know as well as i do that pirates probably already have the DRM mechanics figured out.
besides we could have Starforce DRM do you want Starforce drm, i dont.
SecuROM is every bit as invasive as Starforce, and is responsible for many driver conflicts and bsod's and the Sony Securom support is every bit as dismissive and pathetic as the Starforce support.
Sony after their XCP Rootkit debacle even lobbied to have an amendment H.R. 964 to be put into the spy act to protect their malware from being studied by security companies to hide their bull crud, and to protect them from lawsuits for any damage they cause to peoples hardware due to their bad & invasive code.
This is the last email response i got from Sony Support regarding removal of their malware SecuROM! This was after EA had denied any responsibility regarding the DRM or any files associated with SecuROM or registry/file changes, and so i was passed back to Sony.
Originally posted by Sony SecuROM:
Hello.
The license information is necessary to manage usage rights of a software application. This license is set by the publisher. The SecuROM uninstaller removes all SecuROM related files/folders. This means, the information remaining on your PC doesn't contain programs (eating your ressources like CPU,...) nor personal data but stores the license information for future use in the Windows registry.
For further questions regarding the license information please contact the software publisher for support.
Best regards,
SecuROM Support Team
SecuROM on the web: http://www.securom.com or via e-mail: support@securom.com
*** Please include the subject line exactly as written above including your ticket number in all communications to ensure proper handling ***
You can honestly defend DRM can you?
Originally posted by Julio Franco, TechSpot.com :
http://www.techspot.com/news/32094-Weeke...rom-buying.html
Nobody on its right mind would dare to defend DRM (Digital rights management) in front of a web crowd, unless you represent one of the few enterprises pushing it forward, of course.
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19. October 2008 @ 12:13 |
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All im saying is to give these guys slack, there trying. whether you or me or any other Anti-DRM scenes like it or not. it doesn't matter what we say DRM Will and continue to be on many future releases.
and your wrong Starforce was a destructive DRM, in no means comparable to SecuROM's invasive capability's.
and besides think of the Software Pirates, No drm would put them out of jobs. id rather they steal software instead of steal me monies matey
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19. October 2008 @ 13:14 |
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Now if they would forget the silly install limits ad focus on flood control to suspend or black list the key (5 installs in a day,10 in a week,25 in a month) that would move things forward with activation issues.
But frankly without proper offline activation its a moot point.
DRX88
Dude simmer down, without offline install I aint buying a game for more than 20$, they are improving DRM but its not "there" yet thus making the game worth about half the 20$ I am willing to spend on it :P
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b18bek9
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19. October 2008 @ 15:10 |
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why fight about it just dont buy their games...i wont i'll buy or download a cracked/pirated copy over supporting companies that work this way so its no big deal to me let them see sales fall and they'll blame piracy like they've been doing til they get the hint..if they dont get it oh well let their shareholders take a look at how they run shop.Its only gonna get worse unless they can come up with a different scheme i think...
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daelin914
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19. October 2008 @ 15:48 |
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I remember those stupid code wheels and those were actually more effective at stopping piracy. You could install the software as much as you wanted, there was no hardware checks, no activations, etc.
If you lost the codewheel, you were SOL, of course.
The harder you make it for your customers to buy and legally use their own products, the less that you will sell. You could just buy a console game system and not have to deal with any of this. You guys are killing your own industry by doing this.
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sgriesch
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19. October 2008 @ 16:21 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
you lot realise you can uninstall it, and get your install back, so its practially unlimited.
Not if you are switching to a different machine.
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windsong
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19. October 2008 @ 16:27 |
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Well I guess I now know how I'm acquiring this game. Pity, Ubisoft. A real pity.
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daelin914
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19. October 2008 @ 16:33 |
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Years ago, people used to have to put in the original CD in order for the game to play. While you may be able to duplicate a CD to make it happen, they could easily create a dongle for a couple of dollars that would work just as well.
Lauren
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sgriesch
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19. October 2008 @ 16:36 |
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Originally posted by Notcow:
I,for one,think this is spectacular.
This is basically insuring that you DON'T run out of installations,and at the same time it would be very difficult to pirate.
No, you can very easily run out of installs. Just forget to uninstall it their way when you upgrade you computer or when you blow out your machine every so often to purge the old. I don't want to have to jump through their hoop of rememebering that 1 or 2 games on my machine have to be uninstalled before I can modify my machine. It's a pain. As for piracy, this does very little to stop it. A downloaded version with a crack would fix that. It is just simply not consumer friendly.
Originally posted by Notcow:
You can even share it with your friends,if you want,and they KNOW this,yet they still let you have all of these activations.
So you can't pirate it,but that's making it safe to share this game with six or ten friends,online or otherwise.
You won't be sharing it with more than 2 friends, because you have a 3 PC limit. An uninstall will not change this. It's 3 PC's period. Also, you would need the disc when you play it, so you would have to get the disc from them.
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sgriesch
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19. October 2008 @ 16:41 |
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Originally posted by daelin914:
Years ago, people used to have to put in the original CD in order for the game to play. While you may be able to duplicate a CD to make it happen, they could easily create a dongle for a couple of dollars that would work just as well.
Lauren
Umm... this is more about the number of installs and the process you must go through to retain the number of installs. It's not so much having the disc to play the game. Another way to do what you were stating would be to make a virtual drive on your machine, so that you didn't need the disc, but that's not really what we were talking about here.
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