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PS3 sales fall again in Japan
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article published on 2 November, 2008
According to new weekly data from Media Create, the PlayStation 3 had its worst sales week of 2008 in Japan, being outsold almost 2-to-1 by its rival, the Xbox 360.
The launch of the new updated PSP-3000 model helped boost sales of the handheld and it topped the sales chart by a hefty number.
The Xbox 360 continues to sell well, as does the ever-popular Wii yet the PS3 keeps seeing its sales fall.
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2. November 2008 @ 08:28 |
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Once again we ask - what are the total sales since launch ? I have no doubt that the above figures are true but seeing as the PS3 has been selling in Japan for about 2 years now and for most of that time the X Box wasn't even on the horizon ( in Japan ) - what are total sales of all the consoles since launch ? Obviously, unless people who already own a console buy a new model of the same console every month ( unlikely and stupid ) - isn't it a given that sales will eventually drop off of any product in such a situation ?
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2. November 2008 @ 11:08 |
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I don't think sony is too worried. They are just trying to make a profit off of the system, not sell the most. If you look at the numbers, their 8 year old PS2 is still selling almost as much as the xbox 360. They must be making a huge profit off that system by now.
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2. November 2008 @ 11:47 |
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Japan YTD total sales figures by Media Create
Wii - 2,215,488
PS3 - 689,482
360 - 212,785
Japan total sales figures since launch
Wii - ???
PS3 - 2,345,548
360 - 729,074
Euro YTD sales figures
Wii - 4,519,000
PS3 - 2,082,000
360 - 1,417,000
Total WW YTD sales figures by Nintendo
Wii - 11,912,477
PS3 - 5,022,414
360 - 3,857,185
The total sales numbers for the US this year currently shows the PS3 ahead by only about 200,000 vs the 360 (Wii is obviously way ahead). The 360 has had about 8 weeks of "better" sales in Japan but the totals for that period is something like 28,000 and with that being such a low number that "lead" in sales for just 8 weeks will disappear when the new PS3 80gb bundles come out there soon. But even if not, the year totals show the trend for that & the Euro market.
I think the 360 will probably take the US sales this year but not by much, it really depends on if this holiday season people want the cheaper console with only 2 new games (360), the "weird" fun console that has no new games (Wii), or the more expensive console with the most new games available this holiday season (PS3). That coupled with The Dark Knight POSSIBLY getting a PS3 bundle will keep it too close to call until after the holidays.
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domie
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2. November 2008 @ 12:25 |
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Thanks for that Oner - very interesting and informative - goes to show how spin can be used in conjunction with statistics to produce a biased slant toward one console or the other as is the case of this article.
The bottom line is that for every Xbox sold in Japan , more than 3 Sony PS3 have been sold.
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Originally posted by domie:
Thanks for that Oner - very interesting and informative - goes to show how spin can be used in conjunction with statistics to produce a biased slant toward one console or the other as is the case of this article.
The bottom line is that for every Xbox sold in Japan , more than 3 Sony PS3 have been sold.
And 3x Wii's have been sold over that! But yeah the spin doctors are always at work somewhere ;). Either way I am glad I have all 3 but with the lack of titles for the Wii it just sits there, while my 360 hasn't been turned on for at least 6 months (easily) for fear of it RROD'ing again and nothing of great importance to play (but with GeOW2 coming soon it should get some use even if for a week..maybe) but my PS3 has been getting the most play with
LBP Beta
R2 Beta
Home Beta
Motorstorm 2 Beta
Socom Beta
GT5P
COD4
Vegas Poker PSN
WipeoutHD PSN
Jeopardy PSN
Qore PSN
Web Browser update
and quite a few more
This year has been a vast improvement over last year! And I'm still trying (daily) to get in the Killzone 2 Beta...I've tapped all my resources and haven't gotten any closer! I have to rely on my 4 Qore Episode codes I have to possibly work a trade :(
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Originally posted by domie:
Thanks for that Oner - very interesting and informative - goes to show how spin can be used in conjunction with statistics to produce a biased slant toward one console or the other as is the case of this article.
The bottom line is that for every Xbox sold in Japan , more than 3 Sony PS3 have been sold.
Hmm, how exactly is this article biased? This was based on THIS WEEK'S sales. If I was writing an article on YTD sales, the you would have gotten your YTD numbers.
The PS3 sales falling was the most interesting note of the weekly sales numbers, hence the title. If not, next time I can title the article, "Xbox 360 sales fall 4 percent for the week", is that better for you?
Being that I own 2 PS3s and no Xbox 360s makes me clearly biased, obviously.
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2. November 2008 @ 13:31 |
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I think the 360 will probably take the US sales this year but not by much, it really depends on if this holiday season people want the cheaper console with only 2 new games (360), the "weird" fun console that has no new games (Wii), or the more expensive console with the most new games available this holiday season (PS3). That coupled with The Dark Knight POSSIBLY getting a PS3 bundle will keep it too close to call until after the holidays.
With only 2 new games? What the hell are you on about! It has 2 exclusives comign out, but tbh, they are a lot better than what PS3's exclusive's are offering! PS3 has Resistance 2, a decent FPS, nothing special, LBP if you want that game you clearly must be 3 and havn't got the cash to buy a ps3. Then you have motorstorm 2, demo is poor, motorstorm 1 wasn't anythign special, 2 looks possibly even worse.
Considering Fallout 3 runs a lot better on 360 than ps3, fact, you can hardly say the PS3 has the most new games. Its know 360 is the king of games, it is shown in their games per consol sold.
What this thread had shown is how filled with childish fanboyism they truely are. I will happily admit the ps3 is a more powerful consol, yet it is rediculusly hard to code for 8 processors! 360 is for gaming, wii is for family fun, ps3 is for blueray. Its a fact!
With the credit cruch, cheap is better, especially when if u want a gamign consol, you can get exactly the same games but on a cheaper system!
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DVDBack I don't think it was meant towards you just the mass media Sony bias in general.
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2. November 2008 @ 14:10 |
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MrXenu, if u put it like that, then i can say the same thing about the 360. Halo is for retards and Gears of war is for idiots. If u stereotype a game a specific audience, then of course your argument would win. LBG is not just for 3 year olds(if anything, the level creator and online features may be too much for a 3 year old), Mario is played by people of all ages, all because a game doesn't have blood, gore, or violence, doesn't mean it's for a younger audience. TBH halo 3 wasn't too spectacular in gameplay, the features were nice though, and gears of war has its fair share of flaws. Name one instance of childish zeal in this thread. Really, the 360 had its good share of games, but for once, the other console might have a better holiday season, it's not going to affect you in any way, so why criticize things randomly. At least make a sound argument, rather than just stereotyping everything.
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2. November 2008 @ 14:24 |
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Originally posted by MrXenu:
With only 2 new games? What the hell are you on about! It has 2 exclusives comign out, but tbh, they are a lot better than what PS3's exclusive's are offering! PS3 has Resistance 2, a decent FPS, nothing special, LBP if you want that game you clearly must be 3 and havn't got the cash to buy a ps3. Then you have motorstorm 2, demo is poor, motorstorm 1 wasn't anythign special, 2 looks possibly even worse.
Considering Fallout 3 runs a lot better on 360 than ps3, fact, you can hardly say the PS3 has the most new games. Its know 360 is the king of games, it is shown in their games per consol sold.
What this thread had shown is how filled with childish fanboyism they truely are. I will happily admit the ps3 is a more powerful consol, yet it is rediculusly hard to code for 8 processors! 360 is for gaming, wii is for family fun, ps3 is for blueray. Its a fact!
With the credit cruch, cheap is better, especially when if u want a gamign consol, you can get exactly the same games but on a cheaper system!
Fable & Gears is all the 360 REALLY has this holiday season. Banjo? Come on.
Resistance has a 91 @ metacritic and has MUCH more to offer (60 player online, 2 totally DIFFERENT sets of offline gameplay SP & Co-op etc.) compared that to Gears of War 2 (5 vs 5 & 10 hours of gameplay?). Not to mention the story line is ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME IN both Gears! Cause a cave in, get rescued by a helicopter...nice way to offer new and exciting gameplay on almost the same boards throughout the game (*cough ripoff)!
LBP has a metacritic of 96, and has been touted as a genre defining game. A fun, creative game. Anybody can make their imagination come alive with this title...but yeah I mean as you say it is only for 3 year olds right? Please.
Motorstorm 1 is without a doubt one of the best arcade off road racers to be made. Because YOU think it wasn't (probably haven't even tried it) doesn't make it a bland game. M2 has gotten slightly lower metacritic (so far) but is still on par with the first in terms of gameplay style and effect.
Fallout 3 has EQUAL problems on ALL systems released PS3, 360 & PC go check their forums out to confirm this yourself and quit the bias. I don't have to prove that as Bethesdas forums do so for me.
3rd party devs are making more money off the PS3 and attachment rates are now HIGHER on the PS3 (they where on the 360 last year) Sources
Analysis: PS3 selling more games than Xbox 360 with smaller install base
PlayStation 3 to get more 3rd Party Support in 2009
I wonder why with the Euro price cut of the 360 it hasn't surpassed the PS3? Why is it the US price cut hasn't changed the 360's sales significantly? Why is it with the price cuts the 360 has had it can't touch the Wii being it is less expensive than it? Yet the PS3 being a more expensive console still tops sales of the 360 WW YTD?
You come here and blab about fanboyism and it seems you are the only one being childish touting opinion as "fact". I may have stated opinion in my post but only for opinions. Nowhere do my FACTS come from opinion. I think you should tone down your finger pointing and stick with a simple DISCUSSION then it won't be so "fanboy".
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Wow, moderator bullying, that's a new one
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hahahaha, whats new?
sony r stupid, why do you think the psp and ps2 are still alive?, they neeeeeed the money
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Originally posted by Gradical:
Wow, moderator bullying, that's a new one
Please explain? Was that for me or DVDBack? Either way I don't see how as all I did was give an explanation and warn him of his improper "fanboy" references. Which now also apply to F4had. Was that really necessary? Is there something more you would like to elaborate on or just come here and post more stuff along the lines of "sony r stupid" as you so eloquently describe?
Edit: you know what, scratch that, don't even bother as it will only derail the topic of which is being discussed.
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Originally posted by Gradical:
Wow, moderator bullying, that's a new one
All he did was give facts & some people have a problem with that here.
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Listen guys, the reason Oner sounds like he has a grudge is not really because he has anything against Microsoft but it's because, do I dare to say, he's kinda like me. Let me explain...
Being somebody whos grown up on the playstation brand I have always supported Sony. Obviously, I held out on the next gen console until the PS3 came out. Well, once I got mine and started getting into the next gen discussions it became obvious that there are MANY immature Xbox fanboys out there who really know NOTHING about the PS3 and only know their parent bought them a 360 for Christmas.
PS3 owners are always having to defend their system of choice arguing with people that probably shouldn't engage in a relavent discussion in the first place. Sony bashing is extremely rampant and quite frankly it's pretty lame.
So when someone like Oner comes and lays some facts out of course people are going to argue back with nonsense because hey, we are talking about a subject that involves praise to the PS3 right? Point is, PS3 owners are more likely to be older an mature than 360 owners just because of the price. The older crowd that bought their PS3s are more likely to be able to afford more games. I mean seriously, when you were 13 were you buying your own video games every month or were you waiting on your birthday? I'm not saying all 360 owners are little kids, but a lot are.
If you are a 360 fanboy by choice, meaning YOU bought your system and NOT because it was the cheapest, then by all means support it. Otherwise, I personally feel that you have no right to even voice your opinion regarding next gen gaming. Much less spit out false information as true.
This post isn't related to any one person, but more or less the 360 fanboys I have ran across. On a side note I have owned my PS3 for roughly a year and I currently own 15 games and 16 bluray movies. If you recieved your 360 for christmas how many games and HD-DVD have you purchased?
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2. November 2008 @ 19:31 |
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not to offend but mr oner sr you are the one being offended by sonys mayor fail!! if in this day and age you still favor sony there is a problem with you and every sony fanboy period you have to be a sony fanboy to say that the ps3 is better than any system look at sales! when the cube xbox and ps2 where out the ps2 was the crapiest system but what made it sell? graphics? hell no!! games and only games kept and keep it alive and people called it the best system even if it wasnt ok the fact is that everybody that had and has a ps2 thought that the ps3 would win the so called console wars and who won??? do i really have to say it? please the same goes for any portable out there nintendo owns that market and the pandora is twice more powerfull than the psp you think sony is gaining any money?? ps3 cost more to make than to sell same for psp i have them and i love them but dont get me wrong im still waiting for the final fantasy that will raise the ps3 out of the shadows like it did for the ps2 but i dont think is going to happen
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Originally posted by embo22000:
not to offend but mr oner sr you are the one being offended by sonys mayor fail!! if in this day and age you still favor sony there is a problem with you and every sony fanboy period you have to be a sony fanboy to say that the ps3 is better than any system look at sales! when the cube xbox and ps2 where out the ps2 was the crapiest system but what made it sell? graphics? hell no!! games and only games kept and keep it alive and people called it the best system even if it wasnt ok the fact is that everybody that had and has a ps2 thought that the ps3 would win the so called console wars and who won??? do i really have to say it? please the same goes for any portable out there nintendo owns that market and the pandora is twice more powerfull than the psp you think sony is gaining any money?? ps3 cost more to make than to sell same for psp i have them and i love them but dont get me wrong im still waiting for the final fantasy that will raise the ps3 out of the shadows like it did for the ps2 but i dont think is going to happen
Nobody said they are supporting the system based on sales. It is on personal choice. Which is probably the driving force behind your 360 support as you seem to be all "about the games".. not that its even a valid arguement anymore. If you want to have a mature discussion about it, you should first learn to spell, and second learn to discuss.
Sales of the PS3 are doing well. This year has exceeded expectations and nearly 100% of the units sold are not in need of repair from overheating. This is a LARGE factor when it comes to "losing money" on console sales which the 360 does more than ANY other console ever made in returns/refurbs/replacements alone. I dont need to link to those references as a quick google search will back me up instantly.
Yes PS2 was the better system of last gen, that was largely in part due to the games. It also has a lot to do with the fact that Sony backed it tremendously and STILL supports it to this day. Something MS failed to do as of its last game Madden 08 last fall. Sony does make money off the PS2... but thats not why they sell (especially considering that rational doesn't even make sense), they sell because it is a solid, trusted, and STILL SUPPORTED system that continues to have quality releases every month. Period. You can expect history to repeat itself similarly with the 360 as its hardware was nearly outdated when it was released. The ps3 has a larger stronger foundation to build on for years to come.
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I am not going to address certain comments except to say this. Why is it people TRY to label me as a "fanboy" when the truth is I only have a PREFERENCE to a PS3? I have EVERY single console and do play them ALL. How is it when I just state my PREFERENCE it becomes something else, but yet the other way around it is okay for those who tout "360 is teh b3st, PS3rd suxorz"? Seems to be a bit of hypocrisy that comes from one side more than the other in my experience.
Which is why I still have & post my views as un-biased and with the most truth/proof & factual sources available as I can to support what I say. I mean is it not the truth the PS3 has outsold the 360 WW YTD and for every year since launch? But because I speak and post TRUTHFUL stuff certain people or types take offense with it...whatever.
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Nobody said they are supporting the system based on sales. It is on personal choice. Which is probably the driving force behind your 360 support as you seem to be all "about the games".. not that its even a valid arguement anymore. If you want to have a mature discussion about it, you should first learn to spell, and second learn to discuss
where does it say that i support the 360? i support nobody being a gamer since the coleco vision something that you dont know about but for you new gamer born with the ps2 maybe ps one it hurts you that the ps3 doesnt sell for crap even the ds sells more isnt that a shame? a system getting beaten by a handheld/ ha ha ha if you get offended then you are the one thats inmature and cant argue...
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where does it say that i support the 360? i support nobody being a gamer since the coleco vision something that you dont know about but for you new gamer born with the ps2 maybe ps one it hurts you that the ps3 doesnt sell for crap even the ds sells more isnt that a shame? a system getting beaten by a handheld/ ha ha ha if you get offended then you are the one thats inmature and cant argue...
You obviously think you are older than me based on your ability to reference an early console such as the "coleco vision" which is actually one word COLECOVISION. I not only owned that, but I also owned a 2600 (that was made by Atari, not "at ari" if your were wondering) and nearly every other console since. I'm also old enough to understand this has NOTHING to do with sales of the PS3.
I'm not sure what your first few points are based on you lack of sentence structure and horrific spelling.. ironic for someone your age as you have had time to learn these things. I was however able to decode enough of your incoherant rant in order to understand that you labeled the PS3's sales as not selling for "crap". This is again a topic that centers around a WEEKS worth of sales thus rendering your (lack of a) point useless. Especially when compared to the current years sales and the fact that even a price cut on the 360 has yet to hinder the PS3's sales. But, this was all summed up in the first few posts here... so I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish in the first place other than to rape the english language (which may or may not be your first).
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oh so you do know the better days of gaming wasnt it great when we only had a stick and one button for everything? and lol at the atari joke!! Quote:
I'm also old enough to understand this has NOTHING to do with sales of the PS3.
my point exactly my dear friend and im in no way or manner saying that the xbox has sold more but you have to admit that the ps3 has been stagnant and me labeling the ps3 selling for crap is compared to the wii ds and even ps2 and for the tipping issue please only a 12 year old complains about that ok all im saying is that everything is selling more than the ps3 and we cant even complain about a price drop that would be murder the thing is so expensive to make that asking for a low price is like asking them to close the factories the main case is that many new gamers wont spend a dollar on good consoles they just want the best deal and save money
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You make some good points in your latest post I wish you had tried that hard originally. Now that we are friends I wish I could say your "tipping" has gotten better lol.
Agree to partially disagree... or perhaps something was just lost in translation.
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well i just hate when people "take sides" you know like everybody that plays halo bashes at other games of the same gen just because its not on their system. or people that try to compare metal gear to any other game (its a gen of its own) or zelda to any other adventure game and the people that do this are the people that didnt even play those games! one thing i love is video games! i mean ill play anything if it keeps me from boredom wont you?!? and im really waiting for the "final fantasy" ( by this i mean the game that makes people buy the system like it did with the ps one)that raises the ps3 from the shadows!!!
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Well you charge $500 for a gaming unit when there is one for $200 that does everything but play a failing format that people just don't care about, this is what happens.
Sony = Masters of Failed propertarian formats.
Originally posted by Oner:
I am not going to address certain comments except to say this.
i'm not going to say ANYTHING except THIS, omfg, this is my soapbox......
Originally posted by Oner:
Why is it people TRY to label me as a "fanboy" when the truth is I only have a PREFERENCE to a PS3? I have EVERY single console and do play them ALL. How is it when I just state my PREFERENCE it becomes something else, but yet the other way around it is okay for those who tout "360 is teh b3st, PS3rd suxorz"? Seems to be a bit of hypocrisy that comes from one side more than the other in my experience.
Which is why I still have & post my views as un-biased and with the most truth/proof & factual sources available as I can to support what I say. I mean is it not the truth the PS3 has outsold the 360 WW YTD and for every year since launch? But because I speak and post TRUTHFUL stuff certain people or types take offense with it...whatever.
are you for real, you are a moderator on a Tech forum you job is to be unbiased and fair, you "self confessed", lopsided view, means you are unfit for the job you do.
Unless Afterdawn is counting on sony for advertising revenue, what happen with the microsoft advertising purse strings lately?
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