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7. June 2008 @ 20:35 |
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just out of curiosity.....what is the max for 90nm and 65nm?
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7. June 2008 @ 20:36 |
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Correct - his CPU may last a decent length of time if he doesn't ever go above stock voltage, but it wont' be anything like it would be if never increased. It's for this reason that I probably wouldn't spend the money on a Q9450 over a Q6600 even if I had it - the amount you can overclock to safely is about the same, if not better with the 6600.
I'm not sure what the 'official' max is for the 65nm chips, but I set a limit of 1.45V.
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7. June 2008 @ 20:45 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Correct - his CPU may last a decent length of time if he doesn't ever go above stock voltage, but it wont' be anything like it would be if never increased. It's for this reason that I probably wouldn't spend the money on a Q9450 over a Q6600 even if I had it - the amount you can overclock to safely is about the same, if not better with the 6600.
I'm not sure what the 'official' max is for the 65nm chips, but I set a limit of 1.45V.
Cooling in the future...... watercooling........no way.
45nm's barely need a fan! I feel sorry for ppl who get those phase change systems for 2000 bucks and now none of that crap is needed.
One thing is for certain tho...with 45nms, you can overclock very easily w/o touching the stock voltages....its only those who push their limits that end up with dead chips.
In any case, even if you do manage to "rupture" the die on the microscopic level, thereby rendering the chip useless, I doubt you will have any trouble RMAing the chip as long as its not lapped or has burn marks. I, of course am not saying that you should RMA a chip that you know you blew but if you really have to.....I don't think you will run into problems getting a new one.
-im1992
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7. June 2008 @ 20:48 |
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Oh absolutely - you can still make well above 3Ghz on the Q9450 without nudging the voltages up - but you can make well above 3Ghz on a Q6600 in its safe zone too - you're paying double the price for lower power consumption and a bit more cache.
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7. June 2008 @ 20:53 |
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shaffaaf,
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From sammorris: does he run it at 1.5 all the time?
If he does, he won't be doing it for very long on a 45nm! LOL!! It's not a question of if it's going to fail, it's only a question of when!
im1992,
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In any case, even if you do manage to "rupture" the die on the microscopic level, thereby rendering the chip useless, I doubt you will have any trouble RMAing the chip as long as its not lapped or has burn marks. I, of course am not saying that you should RMA a chip that you know you blew but if you really have to.....I don't think you will run into problems getting a new one.
It's not a question of rupturing the die! Think of the electronic pathways inside a chip as water pipes! Once they spring a leak, their finished. They can't be repaired! Intel is also getting a little less friendly with RMAs these days. I even had to come up with a receipt for my D-940, which I've never had to do before, ever! If they wind up sinking AMD for good, Intel will get even worse about it as they'll be the "only game in town"!
Russ
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7. June 2008 @ 20:55 |
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<nods in agreement>
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7. June 2008 @ 22:53 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
<nods in agreement>
absolutely!
we are all saying the same thing in different words....over and over again.....but at least we all, for once, agree on something!
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-im1992
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7. June 2008 @ 22:56 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
It's not a question of rupturing the die! Think of the electronic pathways inside a chip as water pipes! Once they spring a leak, their finished. They can't be repaired! Intel is also getting a little less friendly with RMAs these days. I even had to come up with a receipt for my D-940, which I've never had to do before, ever! If they wind up sinking AMD for good, Intel will get even worse about it as they'll be the "only game in town"!
Russ
sorry for the wrong wording....i was trying to say the same thing tho...
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-im1992
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8. June 2008 @ 12:56 |
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stop being girls, this is an overclocking thread ffs.
if it would help me i would give my 8200 1.6v for the odd bench run but as it is i cant get above 540fsb due to my ram. when i was testing this out tho i did give it 1.43v but it only needs 1.38v (load) to stay solid at 4.3ghz.
sam...3dmark 06???? do my eyes decieve me?? :P not a bad score for that clock on your cpu m8. i still havent beat 14.3k but it crashs with an app error when i try to run it on this new board for some reason even at stock clocks??? tried everything bar a new os install so im not sure what it is. i would guess that i would be hitting 15.5 ish if i ran it @4.2ghz and my g card maxxed as in sig.
tbh 06 is a quad only bench now as it gives you +2k for the same clocks. the daft thing is 05 works fine??
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8. June 2008 @ 13:53 |
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Yes, the extra score the Quad core CPUs get is nuts.
Originally posted by marsey99:
stop being girls, this is an overclocking thread ffs.
Not really a fair comment, a lot of first time overclockers look in this thread, and we don't need the following advice that sees their CPUs going up in smoke within weeks.
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8. June 2008 @ 17:10 |
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marsey99,
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stop being girls, this is an overclocking thread ffs.
There's a bit of a difference between being girls and being sensible! As Sam pointed out, we get a lot of newbies here that come and go. I'm not saying that you can't push things a little over what Intel recommends, but there's still a reason that the VID voltage limit on your CPU is 1.3625v and not say, 1.37v! You also don't get warnings in the same way you did with the older Intel CPUs like we did back then either! Back then when you were getting close to a CPU's limits the CPU temps would start climbing. When that started to happen we knew that we were right around the limits of the CPU.
Today, heat is not the issue! Electro Migration within the chip doesn't give you any warnings, it starts to give errors and then just dies! Start throwing in things like pencil mods or soldering mods on the MB, and you have a recipe for disaster! It's a bit like tying down the safety valves on a boiler and then upping the heat. It will work for a while, but someday it's going to go boom! Since most of us here are working stiffs, we can't afford to blow things up. Add to that, Intel is getting less and less friendly about replacing CPUs and it could get real expensive.
You know, Vdroop is there for a reason. It's not some inadequacy, it's part of the design! There's a purpose to it and should not be eliminated! Just like the boiler I mentioned before! By doing those mods, you are effectively eliminating the safety valve. Add a cheap PSU and you are courting disaster! Every time you see the CPU voltage fluctuate, Vdroop is doing it's job, as it was designed to do.
We get a lot of people who come to this forum and particulally this thread because they want to learn. People with absolutely no experience whatsoever! It's not an extreme overclocking forum. They come here for advice so they can learn to overclock their computers. It does absolutely no good to advocate doing things that aren't safe to do, for the inexperienced. This particular thread along with the Building and cooling threads have a good reputation. It's not cutting edge, it's a thread for people to learn from. We are like a school, and this is Kindergarten! For the life of me I can't understand why someone with the proper knowledge and experience doesn't start an Extreme overclocking thread, but to me, this just isn't the place for it!
Only my opinion, of course, but I think a very sensible one!
Respectfully,
Russ
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8. June 2008 @ 17:12 |
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Agreed. There's a difference between benchmark racing and overclocking for genuine daily benefit, and not everybody knows that.
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8. June 2008 @ 17:26 |
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anyone who really wants to test their limits can just head on over the [H]ard forums! for the rest of us, there's AfterDawn...
-im1992
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8. June 2008 @ 18:58 |
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im1992,
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anyone who really wants to test their limits can just head on over the [H]ard forums! for the rest of us, there's AfterDawn...
There are precious few places a Newbie can go to learn! That's why I get agitated with the work ethics of some of our younger members. No matter how you want to look at it, Patience and Time are our friends, not our enemies! There's an old computer expression, "GIGO"! If you take the time to learn and then do things right, you'll have very little "GO"!
Best Regards,
Russ
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8. June 2008 @ 19:23 |
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Yeah I'll have to give into this. I recently burned out a E2180 trying to push it to the max. Luckily Intel replaced it for me, but I'm WAY more cautious now.
The thing is most of us overclock to get performance gains, not to run silly benchmark and show how big our epenis is :)
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8. June 2008 @ 19:28 |
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e-penis.......
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8. June 2008 @ 20:14 |
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Not heard that expression? It and 3dmark are often found in the same sentence...
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8. June 2008 @ 20:19 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not heard that expression? It and 3dmark are often found in the same sentence...
no, i hadn't heard that b4
lol.....3dmark.....e-p....
-im1992
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10. June 2008 @ 13:45 |
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imran
you never knew what e-peen was....
LOL
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10. June 2008 @ 19:10 |
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Seriously guys a couple of visits already by MOD's and you're begging for more??? Doesn't make any sense if you ask me!!!
I've been having other computer issues and haven't been able to check out my Quad system like I've wanted too... I'll see what I can do with it later this week I hope. It has the Striker Extreme that sammy's friend had issues with... of course NOT the same exact mobo... lol.
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10. June 2008 @ 19:12 |
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Well, best of luck Gm! Maybe you can finally put an nvidia chipset board in some positive light!
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10. June 2008 @ 19:23 |
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Thanks m8... I'm sure I'll need it with some of what I've read. lol. ;) Of course I know a fella that has taken the 680i chipset to the extreme but it wasn't an ASUS mobo IIRC. ;)
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10. June 2008 @ 20:16 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Thanks m8... I'm sure I'll need it with some of what I've read. lol. ;) Of course I know a fella that has taken the 680i chipset to the extreme but it wasn't an ASUS mobo IIRC. ;)
....gm
evga? rofl
-im1992
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10. June 2008 @ 20:48 |
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im what's the deal with the "rofl"?? There are other 680i mobo's as well. ;0 BUT you're right it's EVGA!!! What's wrong with EVGA?? Have you used them and had personal experience (bad?) that dictates such a reply?? I haven't BUT I do know someone that is very proficient with that particular mobo. :P
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10. June 2008 @ 22:28 |
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oh no
i was just taking a guess and laughing in the case i was right
in fact, EVGA is a very good brand in my book...i would never buy another manufacturer's graphics cards
although i haven't had the opportunity to own one of their motherboards, i am sure that their brand will be one of the top few choices for me when it comes time to buy one...
-im1992
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