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30. June 2008 @ 18:53 |
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The EPU on the Asus boards only work at bone stock settings. It disables if you change any of the motherboard settings from the defaults!
Which is the first thing I did after installing my new Asus P5Q deluxe and Sam of course knows how that's going. LOL
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30. June 2008 @ 19:09 |
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and an OCer would be so into saving energy wouldnt he/she???
LOL. i wonder if they have fixed it with a newer bios update?
does the DES do that aswell?
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30. June 2008 @ 19:53 |
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and an OCer would be so into saving energy wouldnt he/she???
I am indeed an overclocker but a responsible one. The fact that there are power saving features on the board had no bearings on purchase. The Asus P5Q Deluxe is an awesome overclocking board. The settings are so easy that a person who has never overclocke a PC can master it in a few minutes. Besides you can't go wrong with a 16 phase powersupply. LOL
I just installed the board yesterday and here are some early results.
http://www.dvdhounds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26622&postcount=16
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30. June 2008 @ 20:00 |
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shaffaaf,
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and an OCer would be so into saving energy wouldnt he/she???
LOL. i wonder if they have fixed it with a newer bios update?
does the DES do that aswell?
My Engineering side says no! Anything that would reduce energy would have to reduce the watts, if you reduce the watts, you reduce the performance.
Since DES is implemented in software, rather than hardware and has no one chip involved, I would say that there would be some energy savings, but not anything that takes away performance. Time will tell which system is better, but from a design standpiont DES would be my choice, basically since everything the software controls, it controls directly at the source! Unlike the EPU-6, t and much easier to upgrade, especially if the EPU-6 chip isn't spot-on right out of the box, the third party is the software! The reason the DES should be better is it does all this on the fly, even overclocked! The computer monitors and controls itself without need for a special chip!
Just my opinion judging by what I see looking at both designs. The pipelines are much longer and the access time is greater because of the need for the software to tell the chip so the chip can tell computer what to do! I suspect that some of the EPU chip's shortcomings will be patched around direct, as upgrading chips is expensive! That is unless someone has patented DES, and doing that would be infringement on that patent! Maximum power savings under ideal conditions like only working at default bios settings would probably save more power, but overall I think the DES will save more power since you still get some energy savings when overclocking, that the EPU-6 can't provide. Not unless you use software to OC, and nobody here does that!
http://www.gigabyte.us/FileList/WebPage/..._des-des-01.htm
The EPU-6 does give an advantage to mainstream users though. I'm sure it's optimized for that purpose! I guess thorough testing will eventually tell which system is better, but adding a whole nother stage and instructions has just got to hurt performance some! JMO!
Sophocles is right though, the P5Q is an awesome motherboard! Especially for overclocking!
Russ
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30. June 2008 @ 20:23 |
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Asus recently updated the bios for this board and there is not a gigabyte board within $100 that can touch it. Believe me I agonized over several different makes. I was bound and determined not to let anything but the technology sway me. You have a Gigabyte board with the same processor as I do so let me see you run prime95 (dual core)at 3.82 GHz for 10 hours and 12 minutes without a single error (stopped by user). I have no doubt that I can run this board at 4 GHz with little or no effort and I might just do that once I'm feel ok with what I have now, but as I've stated I'm a responsible overclocker (if such a thing exists. LOL)
Here is an early photo that I took of my setup while replacing the water cooling pins with bolts.
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30. June 2008 @ 20:25 |
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but if one really cared about saving the watts, then one wouldnt OC a CPU, oen would get a 45mn CPU (E5200) and leave it at that. OCing kind of throws the whole energy saving out of the window.
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30. June 2008 @ 20:31 |
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if one really cared about saving the watts, then one would OC a CPU, oen would get a 45mn CPU (E5200)
If one cared about saving watts they would get a laptop powered by a celeron. As soon as you start to overclock a CPU you can throw power savings to the wind, regardless of the board. I save power by not watching TV and replaced all my household lights with florescent lights. I'm a hardcore overclocker and I appreciate the lower power requirements that have arisen in the last couple of years, but if I have to up the voltages to squeeze more MHz out of parts of my system, I will do it.
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30. June 2008 @ 20:40 |
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re read my post lol
i edited it. acidently left out a "'nt"
i agree with you. i doubt any OCer looks at watts saved.
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30. June 2008 @ 20:53 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
Russ
Asus recently updated the bios for this board and there is not a gigabyte board within $100 that can touch it. Believe me I agonized over several different makes. I was bound and determined not to let anything but the technology sway me. You have a Gigabyte board with the same processor as I do so let me see you run prime95 (dual core)at 3.82 GHz for 10 hours and 12 minutes without a single error (stopped by user). I have no doubt that I can run this board at 4 GHz with little or no effort and I might just do that once I'm feel ok with what I have now, but as I've stated I'm a responsible overclocker (if such a thing exists. LOL)
Soph,
nice to see you stop by more often. ;)
Are you serious about the "abilities" of the P5Q Deluxe?? I've been looking at the Rampage Formula and a couple of DFI's for my next mobo. I've even looked at the P5E Deluxe mobo as well. As NEW equipment comes out it seems that some of the upper end mobos are getting some "competition". ;) Thanks for the input and keep it up. :D
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30. June 2008 @ 20:54 |
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shaffaaf
I'm cool, and thanks to water so is my processor. LOL
BTW, I have a dual core laptop which is pretty decent as a portable desktop.
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30. June 2008 @ 21:00 |
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If you want to see more you know where to look.;) This board made me feel stupid. All that I had to do to reach 3.9 GHz was to lower the memory divider to 266, increase the Vcore to 1.37, and then up memory voltage to corsairs 2.1Volts. What makes this amazing is that I overclocked the crap out of it with 2X2 gigabytes sticks to 4 gigs. Now everyone knows that larger modules are harder to overclock but not this time. Here is a screen shot of dual core prime95 after 10 hours at 3.82 GHz and I stopped it.
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30. June 2008 @ 21:53 |
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Soph,
You're gonna make me read it aren't you?? lol. Nice job buddy...
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ADD: OK now the GM has another mobo to look at for his "future new" build.. lol. Yep maybe by Christmas if he's lucky. :P
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30. June 2008 @ 22:23 |
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You're gonna make me read it aren't you?? lol
Someones got to keep you guys literate (even through all the type-O's. LOL
I haven't decided to push things higher yet because this is the point where the laws of diminishing gains comes into play. Will it net me some worth gains? Truth is I had no price limitations on my purchase decision for a board. I could have just as easily spent $400 on a board, but my studies of this board gave me cause to save a few bucks. The money I saved I invested in 2 X 2 gigabytes of memory for $134 and it all seems to have worked out quite well. If I decide to clock no further, my Vcore settings can be dropped a couple of notches. With 2 X 1 gig I could have gone higher but the extra 1.25 GHz will probably net more over all performance gains.
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30. June 2008 @ 22:44 |
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@greensman
long time, no see!
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30. June 2008 @ 23:07 |
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Sophocles,
You were 100% correct! I did as you said and only left the first optical drive turned on. I booted it from the XP-Pro disk and went ahead and installed it, formatting the drive in the process. Any idea what caused that? It works fine now, recognizes all the drives and reads them. Everything is turned back to normal and it works fine. Thanks to you. I don't think I ever saw that before now! It's installing SP-2 as we speak!
Thanks for the help,
Russ
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1. July 2008 @ 01:22 |
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1. July 2008 @ 01:43 |
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lol
They now have software to overclock Mac Pros. I wonded how fat those things are going to overheat!
Imran, thats a good price. Would make a nice basic computer...
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1. July 2008 @ 01:47 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Imran, thats a good price. Would make a nice basic computer...
thanks!
i hope someone buys them!
this will help dilute the expense for my new CPU(the q6700)!
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1. July 2008 @ 01:55 |
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yeah, good luck man. I almost have a same spec computer(2.66ghz celeron D and 80GB hdd) and they are pretty decent.
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1. July 2008 @ 04:26 |
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Yes, but you can still run benchmarks at stock clocks can't you? lol
With regard to overclocking and power saving, I don't think the two are at all mutually exclusive, nor should they be. I have overclocked my CPU significantly, but like to keep the power consumption down for cost, heat and quietness reasons.
Originally posted by Abuzar1:
I almost have a same spec computer(2.66ghz celeron D and 80GB hdd) and they are pretty decent.
lmao - no they're not, I've heard you moan about wanting a proper PC again...
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1. July 2008 @ 04:47 |
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I booted it from the XP-Pro disk and went ahead and installed it, formatting the drive in the process. Any idea what caused that? It works fine now, recognizes all the drives and reads them. Everything is turned back to normal and it works fine. Thanks to you. I don't think I ever saw that before now!
I encountered the issue back in the 90's which was about the same time that one no longer needed a bootup floppy to get started. The bios on some systems look only for the hard drive and if it is corrupted it can be frustrating. I then tried the trick that I passed on and it worked. I've since had to do this many times over the years including a couple of years ago on about 20 dell laptops and another 20 or 30 Dell desktops. The trick always works.
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1. July 2008 @ 06:25 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yes, but you can still run benchmarks at stock clocks can't you? lol
With regard to overclocking and power saving, I don't think the two are at all mutually exclusive, nor should they be. I have overclocked my CPU significantly, but like to keep the power consumption down for cost, heat and quietness reasons.
Originally posted by Abuzar1:
I almost have a same spec computer(2.66ghz celeron D and 80GB hdd) and they are pretty decent.
lmao - no they're not, I've heard you moan about wanting a proper PC again...
but if you have OCed it, it will run with a higher power requirement, heat up alot (your using a TRUE IICR), it defeats the point. it would be mroe reasonable to buy a CPU close to that clock speed, which would run fine on a stock cooling, not produce much heat, and wont use as much power.
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1. July 2008 @ 06:29 |
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Well you have to realize where I'm coming from. Going from a 3.2Ghz Quad core with a 8800GT to that is a big difference and I really notice the hit when encoding movies and the fact that even old games don't work!
It can still do a decent job browsing the web, MS office, etc. What more do you want from a 100 dollar computer?
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1. July 2008 @ 06:48 |
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Sophocles,
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I encountered the issue back in the 90's which was about the same time that one no longer needed a bootup floppy to get started. The bios on some systems look only for the hard drive and if it is corrupted it can be frustrating. I then tried the trick that I passed on and it worked. I've since had to do this many times over the years including a couple of years ago on about 20 dell laptops and another 20 or 30 Dell desktops. The trick always works.
I remember a while back when I had a Dell Optiplex P-II 450 and it wouldn't boot until I turned off the hard drive. Once I did that the optical drives would work again and you could boot from either. The problem never came up for me until this HP came in for repair. I guess if I was smart enough at the time I would have asked one of you guys here. I understand the hard drive being messed up but I just don't understand the opticals not working, or does the MBR maybe being messed up, cause the problem?
The computer works fine now. I ran RI4ME and DVDRB/CCE and it took about 2 hours for the whle deal. Not to bad for an old 3.06 P4! Northwood. Damn shame it doesn't have a better bios setup. It's noticeably faster with 1 stick of 512 than the Dell 3000 with the 3.0/800 Prescott and 1GB of Corsair XMS 2-2-2-4 memory. Not a bad machine for a back up.
Thanks again for the help,
Russ
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1. July 2008 @ 06:57 |
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Even overclocked by 1.35Ghz above stock, my CPU's power consumption is rated at only 13W above normal. Factoring in the efficiency of the PSU and the Vregs, if my PC had been on 24 hours a day for the 18 months I've had this CPU at full load, I would have spent an extra £29. For £29 above the £105 I paid, I doubt you'd get a 3.15Ghz Core 2 Duo... The cost of the heatsink to keep it cool along with the fan it uses was also an additional £30 - still not even close.
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