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24. August 2010 @ 05:32 |
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I went a long time without any good games on my PS3; and most of the games I now have are on 360 or PC or both. I bought my unit the day preorders of GT5 went on sale....6 months later, I canceled my preorder...now they are selling preorders again. F**king con artists!
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SDF_GR
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24. August 2010 @ 12:38 |
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I am not trying to start funboy war but....
I cant see how the PS3 doesn't have good games and PC or xbox has.... most of the games are multi platform anyway.
and the PS3 exclusives are more than the 360 exclusives, and there is no doubt about that.
The problem isnt that the PS3 hasn't got any good/great games, the problem is that you dont want to pay for the games.
I really hope that sony will patch the so called jailbreak and i wish that MS had the balls to do the same, cause if this situation goes on, the quality of the games will drop dramatically.
By watching sony's reactions to ps3 hacks and having in mind the ubisoft/EA anti-piracy on-line pass, plus that MS is starting to loose exclusives from 3rd party devs cause they cant (or dont want) protect them....
i will go so far as saying that if you see PS4/ XB720 not even turning ON without an internet connection dont be surprised.
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24. August 2010 @ 15:28 |
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$120 is absurd and id never pay that much for any type of mod. Im going to just sit back and relax and wait it out. Hopefully in about a month or less we'll have some concrete evidence of how this will play out.
Seriously, Im not fanboying or anything i just want to know from the PS gamers, what games are awesome on the PS3 that are exclusive to PS3? I know theres GOW and GT5 and that mightttt make me buy the PS3 if jailbreakable, i just wanted to know what other exclusives are out right now that are dope that will convince me in buying a PS3 when and if the jailbreak becomes.
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24. August 2010 @ 21:27 |
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25. August 2010 @ 00:02 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
I really hope that sony will patch the so called jailbreak and i wish that MS had the balls to do the same, cause if this situation goes on, the quality of the games will drop dramatically.
People have been saying this since you could copy games on floppy disks and music on cassette tape.
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25. August 2010 @ 00:13 |
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Originally posted by w00ly:
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
I really hope that sony will patch the so called jailbreak and i wish that MS had the balls to do the same, cause if this situation goes on, the quality of the games will drop dramatically.
People have been saying this since you could copy games on floppy disks and music on cassette tape.
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25. August 2010 @ 00:16 |
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Originally posted by goyankees:
Originally posted by w00ly:
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
I really hope that sony will patch the so called jailbreak and i wish that MS had the balls to do the same, cause if this situation goes on, the quality of the games will drop dramatically.
People have been saying this since you could copy games on floppy disks and music on cassette tape.
Hahahah! Floppys! Thats a while back! Haha
ooZerooo Thanks, I forgot about KillZone.
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25. August 2010 @ 05:27 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
I am not trying to start funboy war but....
I cant see how the PS3 doesn't have good games and PC or xbox has.... most of the games are multi platform anyway.
and the PS3 exclusives are more than the 360 exclusives, and there is no doubt about that.
The problem isnt that the PS3 hasn't got any good/great games, the problem is that you dont want to pay for the games.
I really hope that sony will patch the so called jailbreak and i wish that MS had the balls to do the same, cause if this situation goes on, the quality of the games will drop dramatically.
No, my problem is the lack of good games. Sure, there are 400+ games on the console, but I only have about 40 of them, and there isn't one game left that I would want for free. On top of that, many of these games can be beaten 100% in under 20 hours playtime...and they seem designed not to be replayed. This is one of the reasons I am so pissed about GT5 being absent...100% completion will take forever, and then there is the online play (the other reason is that XboX users have had several forza games...and this is not cross-platform).
I don't see how the quality could drop from what it already is...it is already terrible. Piracy sells games...I know it sounds weird, but it has been shown again and again. Developers don't seem to mind making games for the 360 or the PC, so clearly the ability to pirate software does not discourage them...sure, companies like Ubisoft throw in draconian DRM...but even then, it is cracked and on torrent sites the day before the game goes on sale. So, other than the fear of added DRM, I don't see piracy being responsible for any drop in game quality.
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25. August 2010 @ 05:43 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
I really hope that sony will patch the so called jailbreak and i wish that MS had the balls to do the same, cause if this situation goes on, the quality of the games will drop dramatically.
PS Jailbreak just isn't about game back up's, its about homebrew, when people start developing programs for PS Jailbreak, well be able to launch Emulators via the XMB, possibly be able to have a MKV player on the XMB, the options are limitless.
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25. August 2010 @ 08:32 |
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Well someone made a post claiming that some publishers are more afraid of second hand sales than piracy, and if this is true you done see them putting as much pressure on governments as they have done so with piracy.
They are greedy little b**tards! I bought the game and what I do with it is my business. I dont want them coming to me saying you cant sell your old stuff. It's like housing developers saying you cant sell your house! It's all nonsense, but seems totally logical to them.
It these folk ran car companies they would limit the the vehicelse to do 10,000 miles then force you to pay to scrap the car then pay full price on a new car, again with a 10,000 mile limit!
They would sell you a PC without the ability to upgrade components.
Sell you a book without anything written in it claiming the contents is an optional extra.
I wish someone would kick these guy in the balls and put them down where they belong!
Oh and another one, if they were a clothing company they would ask for a ban on selling needles and thread to prevent people from mending their clothes so they would buy new ones. :P
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25. August 2010 @ 08:36 |
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Originally posted by bigo93:
Well someone made a post claiming that some publishers are more afraid of second hand sales than piracy, and if this is true you done see them putting as much pressure on governments as they have done so with piracy.
They are greedy little b**tards! I bought the game and what I do with it is my business. I dont want them coming to me saying you cant sell your old stuff. It's like housing developers saying you cant sell your house! It's all nonsense, but seems totally logical to them.
It these folk ran car companies they would limit the the vehicelse to do 10,000 miles then force you to pay to scrap the car then pay full price on a new car, again with a 10,000 mile limit!
They would sell you a PC without the ability to upgrade components.
Sell you a book without anything written in it claiming the contents is an optional extra.
I wish someone would kick these guy in the balls and put them down where they belong!
Totally agree with what you say...
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SDF_GR
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25. August 2010 @ 11:26 |
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@wooly
when we had floppy's or tapes , there were no torrents/ rapidshare or internet, where they?
Originally posted by KillerBug:
No, my problem is the lack of good games. Sure, there are 400+ games on the console, but I only have about 40 of them, and there isn't one game left that I would want for free. On top of that, many of these games can be beaten 100% in under 20 hours playtime...and they seem designed not to be replayed. This is one of the reasons I am so pissed about GT5 being absent...100% completion will take forever, and then there is the online play (the other reason is that XboX users have had several forza games...and this is not cross-platform).
i have the same amount of games more or less and i couldent agree with you more that most games if not 99% will only last for a day or two (recent example GOW3)... and imo thats the main reason that they added trophies/achievements.
Originally posted by KillerBug:
I don't see how the quality could drop from what it already is...it is already terrible. Piracy sells games...I know it sounds weird, but it has been shown again and again. Developers don't seem to mind making games for the 360 or the PC, so clearly the ability to pirate software does not discourage them...sure, companies like Ubisoft throw in draconian DRM...but even then, it is cracked and on torrent sites the day before the game goes on sale. So, other than the fear of added DRM, I don't see piracy being responsible for any drop in game quality.
How i see it and correct me if i am wrong, sony have spend 5 years (we hope) and invested 60milion dollars to GT5 (from what we know), there are 35million ps3's out there (in theory)... they will have to get back $1,7x dollars per console.
For sure they have sponsors like every GT series had, but if the PS3JB works GT5 will go to guiness book as the most pirated game ever.
Why companies like ubisoft rush games out? AC1 and AC2 looks almost identical and AC3 is just around the corner.
They dont bother to improve the games, or invest money and time, they use the same graphics, interface etc etc, cause they know that the sales window is very narrow, they care to release more titles more often and if it lucks to be sequels is even better.
Originally posted by marcusita:
PS Jailbreak just isn't about game back up's, its about homebrew, when people start developing programs for PS Jailbreak, well be able to launch Emulators via the XMB, possibly be able to have a MKV player on the XMB, the options are limitless.
Sorry mate but i dont believe in that.... Show me a hack/crack/ jailbreak that has been used for that reason and didnt helped piracy to grow and i will eat my shoes.
and about DRM/ on-line pass or that system with the used games that THQ (<<i think) was thinking about, what do you suggest made the companies make that systems? They just want to protect their product.
Games arent like movies that take sponsorships, income from cinema tickes, dvd's sales, BD sales, TV channels..... they have to sell discs........
When you see games like god of war 3 not going so well in sales even though that the PS3 wasnt unlocked yet , you can imagine the sales figures if it was.
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25. August 2010 @ 11:34 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Sorry mate but i dont believe in that.... Show me a hack/crack/ jailbreak that has been used for that reason and didnt helped piracy to grow and i will eat my shoes.
I didn't say piracy wasn't apart of it, it is inevitable that when homebrew is enabled on a device, piracy will come, you have to realize that for every pirate out there, there are so many more that want MKV support on their PS3, Emulators from the XMB, etc, this is what the PS Jailbreak device will enable.
PS Jailbreak game dumps are already online, take away the backup manager PKG and PS Jailbreak is an awesome device.
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
but if the PS3JB works GT5 will go to guiness book as the most pirated game ever.
I think by the time GT5 is released, Sony will have implemented some sort of check on the disc also don't forget, not all games will work with PS Jailbreak.
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25. August 2010 @ 12:26 |
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WEll when it comes to Ubisoft I will be more than happy to pirate their games. Being just a big publisher I could not believe they released Star Trek LEgacy on the PC whilst still in its alpha stages! the coding included a photo of one of the devs with his 2 pet goats and comments saying where things needed changing!
Then there was Lost, again on teh PC, so full of bugs they refused to relaese a patch.
So imo Sony and Ubisoft deserve what they get.
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25. August 2010 @ 12:31 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
I think by the time GT5 is released, Sony will have implemented some sort of check on the disc
I actually doubt that. They still haven't managed to do so with the PSP. The only thing Sony has managed to do is to release firmware updates ridiculously fast that sometimes were hacked before the release was official. I assume the PS3 is going the same way.
Xbox 360: Slim untouched with a faked 320 GB harddrive for XBL, phat with LT 3.0, played Halo early, so going on live would be an instand ban, also with a faked 320 GB harddrive
PS3: Untouched 160 GB Slim, 60 GB Fat with latest Rogero and 160 GB internal harddrive.
PSVita: hardly ever play it
GameCube: Black with a Viper chip installed. With gameboy player. Trying to get a Wavebird controller.
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25. August 2010 @ 12:31 |
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Jailbreak is and will always be for stealing games. Just google ?PS3 Jailbreak MKV?, then google ?PS3 Jailbreak XMB Emulators?, then google ?PS3 Jailbreak Piracy or game backup?. It is obvious what people want it for.
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25. August 2010 @ 12:36 |
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Originally posted by Eisherz:
Originally posted by marcusita:
I think by the time GT5 is released, Sony will have implemented some sort of check on the disc
I actually doubt that. They still haven't managed to do so with the PSP. The only thing Sony has managed to do is to release firmware updates ridiculously fast that sometimes were hacked before the release was official. I assume the PS3 is going the same way.
PS3 =/= PSP
Originally posted by glassd:
Jailbreak is and will always be for stealing games. Just google ?PS3 Jailbreak MKV?, then google ?PS3 Jailbreak XMB Emulators?, then google ?PS3 Jailbreak Piracy or game backup?. It is obvious what people want it for.
Maybe you are thinking along those lines, but i want to use it for homebrew, i have a 360, it is not hacked and will never be hacked, im not interested in pirate games.
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25. August 2010 @ 12:54 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
when we had floppy's or tapes , there were no torrents/ rapidshare or internet, where they?
studies show that most pirates buy 10x more than they steal.
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
i have the same amount of games more or less and i couldent agree with you more that most games if not 99% will only last for a day or two (recent example GOW3)... and imo thats the main reason that they added trophies/achievements.
So instead of making games better/longer/have more content, they added trophies/achievements to justify a 60$ price tag..?
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
How i see it and correct me if i am wrong, sony have spend 5 years (we hope) and invested 60milion dollars to GT5 (from what we know), there are 35million ps3's out there (in theory)... they will have to get back $1,7x dollars per console.
For sure they have sponsors like every GT series had, but if the PS3JB works GT5 will go to guiness book as the most pirated game ever.
Why companies like ubisoft rush games out? AC1 and AC2 looks almost identical and AC3 is just around the corner.They dont bother to improve the games, or invest money and time, they use the same graphics, interface etc etc, cause they know that the sales window is very narrow, they care to release more titles more often and if it lucks to be sequels is even better.
look at the rock band series, guitar hero, and even the assassin's creed series. Assassin's creed 2 sold 1.6 million copies in it's first week even though the game was leaked online. Starcraft 2 is the most pirated game of this year, yet they made 350$ million around launch and are still selling strong. Piracy has been known to reach games out to more people and in the long run cause more sales. Show me something that proves that person A was going to buy said game that he downloaded, who knows if he was even able to run it, and show me proof where that same person didn't go out and buy the game after he tried it out. As far as your ludacris claim as GT5 going into Guiness, are you nuts? do you know how many fans of GT5 are out there? do you think they're all hardcore gamers/hackers? most of them are car enthusiasts and casual players actually, these would be pirates of that game would still have to get an outside source (the dongle) AND then get the game backed up onto their ps3's hdd by some means, and they wouldn't really be able to play online since sony can detect, the game will sell like every other good game will.
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Sorry mate but i dont believe in that.... Show me a hack/crack/ jailbreak that has been used for that reason and didnt helped piracy to grow and i will eat my shoes.
lolwut? show me a hack/crack/jailbreak that has caused the decline in sales for any product, show me concrete evidence and not just hearsay and theories. it's not like jailbreaking is used by the majority anyway.. the avg. joe doesn't have the time to sit there and figure out how to run homebrew because he doesn't care, avg. joe has a job and it's much easier for him to pay than go through all that hassle.
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
and about DRM/ on-line pass or that system with the used games that THQ (<<i think) was thinking about, what do you suggest made the companies make that systems? They just want to protect their product.
No they don't, they want to make more money, they want to tell us (the consumer, the people who pay their salary mind you..) what we can do with what WE purchase, with what WE own, when i buy a used car i don't have to pay a 10$ for a "street pass" to drive the car on the street do i?
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Games arent like movies that take sponsorships, income from cinema tickes, dvd's sales, BD sales, TV channels..... they have to sell discs........
When you see games like god of war 3 not going so well in sales even though that the PS3 wasnt unlocked yet , you can imagine the sales figures if it was.
Uh what? Game/media piracy has been around before xbox360/ps3 and gasp games are still made and sell well, dont forget about games that shamelessly stick ADS for products and other movies/games inside the game you just paid 60$ for.. it's actually because of people with your silly mentality, that the pirates killed christ, and pirating a game is like stealing medicine from an old woman, that the industries are not the thieves, yet they are the people releasing 30$ games with 60$ price tags, media you cannot return, media you cannot try before you buy. If you don't like it tough, if it's not worth what you paid for, tough. If it has bugs that make it unplayable, tough. What about games that come out missing features where you have to PAY to unlock content already on the disc? (capcom) or devs that lie in numerous interviews and videos (lionhead).
piracy isn't new it's been around since the printing press, cry me a river that a dev isn't driving a lamborghini because of.... owait hai cliffyb
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25. August 2010 @ 13:30 |
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Well I for once think games should take sponsorships to help reduce the cost of games, and as such reduce piracy and increase sales.
I've said it before, imagine if Rockstar got McDonalds, Burger King, KFC etc to bid to be the main takeaway in GTA4 instead of making up and designing Burger Shot.
Or have Gap, Addidas, Nike etc bid to be the clothing stores.
GTA4 also had a few TV channels, companies couls add adverts there.
Then there are also the billboards throughout the city for more ads.
So really there are plenty of avenues for sponsorships, but if the developers refuse they only increase the cost of the games' development, increasing the cost of the discs, and therefore increase the chance of ppl pirating the game.
Also for games like GTA4 which has an online component you can have the ads renewed increasing revenue. If one compnay backs down a new one may be happy to pay for a while.
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26. August 2010 @ 00:39 |
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Originally posted by glassd:
Jailbreak is and will always be for stealing games. Just google “PS3 Jailbreak MKV”, then google “PS3 Jailbreak XMB Emulators”, then google “PS3 Jailbreak Piracy or game backup”. It is obvious what people want it for.
I think glassd hit it spot on. Sure, the homebrew is nice and gives those little conveniences that we all enjoy, but it's sole purpose is avoiding $59.99 price tags for VERY temporary warm fuzzy feelings. They give a date for this and I'm on board. And for those of you near a Fry's Electronics, they love putting those 25-pack Verbatim BD-R's for $49.99! Maybe they saw this thread!!
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26. August 2010 @ 17:12 |
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Originally posted by bigo93:
Well I for once think games should take sponsorships to help reduce the cost of games, and as such reduce piracy and increase sales.
I've said it before, imagine if Rockstar got McDonalds, Burger King, KFC etc to bid to be the main takeaway in GTA4 instead of making up and designing Burger Shot.
Or have Gap, Addidas, Nike etc bid to be the clothing stores.
GTA4 also had a few TV channels, companies couls add adverts there.
Then there are also the billboards throughout the city for more ads.
So really there are plenty of avenues for sponsorships, but if the developers refuse they only increase the cost of the games' development, increasing the cost of the discs, and therefore increase the chance of ppl pirating the game.
Also for games like GTA4 which has an online component you can have the ads renewed increasing revenue. If one compnay backs down a new one may be happy to pay for a while.
That would have totally ruined the game. Ok, maybe not the clothes brands, but definitely having McD, Burgerking or KFC in there instead of their parody Burger Shot, showing what low quality fast food is. And did you even care to watch those tv channels or listen to the ads they added to the radio stations? They were parodising society with the game, with over the edge radio ads advertising for stuff that was almost possible but totally sick (for example the overnight baby shop). Having real ads there would have made the game just another standard sandbox shooter.
Xbox 360: Slim untouched with a faked 320 GB harddrive for XBL, phat with LT 3.0, played Halo early, so going on live would be an instand ban, also with a faked 320 GB harddrive
PS3: Untouched 160 GB Slim, 60 GB Fat with latest Rogero and 160 GB internal harddrive.
PSVita: hardly ever play it
GameCube: Black with a Viper chip installed. With gameboy player. Trying to get a Wavebird controller.
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26. August 2010 @ 17:29 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
PS Jailbreak has been reversed engineered :)
http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=12679
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"The chip is not but a PIC18F444 ATMega with software USB"
Sweet, I was right when I thought it was an Atmega chip :)
This should be easy to replicate then. I wonder if I have to use the model mentioned though, or if I could use any Atmega chip. Time to get my soldering iron out on my parallel port :)
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27. August 2010 @ 11:14 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
Anyone who has ordered this fro Australia is out of luck, the courts have ordered them not to sell or distribute http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=12688
SO they dont sell from australia, there are plenty of other countries where the US copyright kerfuffle has no leverage, these companies can set up shop there.
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