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28. August 2010 @ 05:20 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
Anyone who has ordered this fro Australia is out of luck, the courts have ordered them not to sell or distribute http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=12688
The good news is that it seems to be based on a very common chip. In fact, it seems that the Arduino should be capable of running the software if we can just get a dump of it (clearly, it is not hard to get a dump; I have already seen two different clones). Once we get a dump, I think that Arduino boards are going to be sold-out in australia for a long time.
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28. August 2010 @ 18:13 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
@wooly
when we had floppy's or tapes , there were no torrents/ rapidshare or internet, where they?
Sure there was. Floppies dont pre-date the internet, but back then it was FTPs, BBSs, newsgroups and IRC instead of torrents. Sure it was slower but if you knew where to look (just like now) it was just as easy. And they said floppies would ruin the software market. There was probably a much larger percentage of computer users pirating than there is now...
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29. August 2010 @ 16:47 |
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Originally posted by Bawango:
Originally posted by turtknuk:
ps3 hacked? whatever. let me know when it's a sure fire done deal that doesn't cost me a benjamin and a half. then I will take my ps3 back out of the closet and dust it off.
So let me get this straight. You bought a PS3 and since you've bought it you haven't found a game that's worth paying for so you decided to store it????No games what so ever eh?? And you only plan on playing games on your PS3 only if and when it gets modded.Riiiight...
Damn I just fed a troll.
No. What I'm saying is that I don't play my PS3 that often. Mostly 360, secondly Wii, thirdly PS3 (actually for exclusives only). I like the Sony machine better but I like Live over PSN which is why my online time goes to the 360. So once the Sony can be modded, there is a reason to spend more time with it.
Fear The Fist Of The Turtle!!!!!!
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29. August 2010 @ 18:32 |
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Originally posted by turtknuk:
No. What I'm saying is that I don't play my PS3 that often. Mostly 360, secondly Wii, thirdly PS3 (actually for exclusives only). I like the Sony machine better but I like Live over PSN which is why my online time goes to the 360. So once the Sony can be modded, there is a reason to spend more time with it.
amen
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SDF_GR
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29. August 2010 @ 19:26 |
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@w00ly
Yeah right, when we had 5,25'' floppy's you had high speed internet and you were downloading several games/movies every day i am pretty sure.
Or later when he had dial-up connections we could easily download 3-4 games in a few hours....
Flash games thought, but nevertheless games!
Originally posted by patron:
studies show that most pirates buy 10x more than they steal.
Thats hilarious, were is this studies? show me some facts.
So, what you are saying is that all industries(music, game, movie etc) have bad sources? they dont know the facts? or they prefer to spend millions in anti-piracy measures to loose even more money?
Originally posted by patron:
So instead of making games better/longer/have more content, they added trophies/achievements to justify a 60$ price tag..?
You find this weird? or what? It looks like an easy business plan to me.
Find me another reason why they added trophies? trophies/achievements are 100% useless, their only purpose is to make a game "look" longer.
Originally posted by patron:
look at the rock band series, guitar hero, and even the assassin's creed series. Assassin's creed 2 sold 1.6 million copies in it's first week even though the game was leaked online. Starcraft 2 is the most pirated game of this year, yet they made 350$ million around launch and are still selling strong. Piracy has been known to reach games out to more people and in the long run cause more sales. Show me something that proves that person A was going to buy said game that he downloaded, who knows if he was even able to run it, and show me proof where that same person didn't go out and buy the game after he tried it out. As far as your ludacris claim as GT5 going into Guiness, are you nuts? do you know how many fans of GT5 are out there? do you think they're all hardcore gamers/hackers? most of them are car enthusiasts and casual players actually, these would be pirates of that game would still have to get an outside source (the dongle) AND then get the game backed up onto their ps3's hdd by some means, and they wouldn't really be able to play online since sony can detect, the game will sell like every other good game will.
About AC2 up to january, ubisoft reported 6million.... well thats not such a great number is it? considering that only the consoles out there (PS3+360) are about 70mills..... i'll let you think how many PC gamers are out there.
About GT funs......you must be kidding me.... last time i checked GT5Prologue have sold 4millions... now with 30+million PS3's out there you think that the full version will not be the best selling game of PS3? if not the most pirated game on PS3.
Originally posted by patron:
lolwut? show me a hack/crack/jailbreak that has caused the decline in sales for any product, show me concrete evidence and not just hearsay and theories. it's not like jailbreaking is used by the majority anyway.. the avg. joe doesn't have the time to sit there and figure out how to run homebrew because he doesn't care, avg. joe has a job and it's much easier for him to pay than go through all that hassle.
You want concrete evidence..... have a look around the net and tell me that all this people in forums, news, warez forum, tracker sites that make posts/ talk about copied games arent the average user of a console..... but of course anyone that has a console doesnt know what internet is, sorry i forgot that.
The hack may sale consoles but wont sale software.
If you believe that 360 would have shipped all this consoles without the hack you should really reconsider some things.
Hassle? what hassle? they even sell pre-modded 360's/ps2's/ wii's what hassle?
Originally posted by patron:
No they don't, they want to make more money, they want to tell us (the consumer, the people who pay their salary mind you..) what we can do with what WE purchase, with what WE own, when i buy a used car i don't have to pay a 10$ for a "street pass" to drive the car on the street do i?
Let me make this clear, long time ago that you had to wait 3 hours to download a *.txt and it was impossible to download a movie or a game and internet was something that wasn't in every house, Companies didn't need to take measures like drm cause only a few if not non could download or spread something all over the net.... now that the speeds are high and even my grandmother can download via torrent and every day more and more users gets online, companies will find new ways to lock down their software, movies, music etc etc. You find this odd or what?
-The used games system, is absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable, no doubt about that.
Originally posted by patron:
Uh what? Game/media piracy has been around before xbox360/ps3 and gasp games are still made and sell well, dont forget about games that shamelessly stick ADS for products and other movies/games inside the game you just paid 60$ for.. it's actually because of people with your silly mentality, that the pirates killed christ, and pirating a game is like stealing medicine from an old woman, that the industries are not the thieves, yet they are the people releasing 30$ games with 60$ price tags, media you cannot return, media you cannot try before you buy. If you don't like it tough, if it's not worth what you paid for, tough. If it has bugs that make it unplayable, tough. What about games that come out missing features where you have to PAY to unlock content already on the disc? (capcom) or devs that lie in numerous interviews and videos (lionhead).
You got me wrong i think, i am not supporting either companies either pirates, the best anti-piracy measure IMO is to lower the prices , as long as they stick to the high prices all industries will suffer from piracy.
But truth to be said, drm, on-line pass and all that crap, piracy made them exist and no matter how you look at it piracy makes companies loose money.
I agree that the 70euros price tag for a game is ridiculous, especially with the fact that if you wait 4 months it will drop at 30euros, but no one is forcing you to buy or not their product.
Originally posted by patron:
piracy isn't new it's been around since the printing press, cry me a river that a dev isn't driving a lamborghini because of.... owait hai cliffyb
Yeah so? and your problem is? It was yours and he stoled from you or what?
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One question to people that knows more things about JB than me that i just read the news here and there...
I read some posts that say "Sony wont be able to lock it with a FW update". I believe that anyone has crossed a post like that.
From the other side the dev's of JB said that JB works only with 3.41fw and also said, Do Not Update in case that sony releases a new FW.
I/we are missing something here?
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29. August 2010 @ 20:19 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
@w00ly
Yeah right, when we had 5,25'' floppy's you had high speed internet and you were downloading several games/movies every day i am pretty sure.
Or later when he had dial-up connections we could easily download 3-4 games in a few hours....
Who said anything about high speed internet or even 5.25" floppies?? 3.5 inch were floppies too, and it was slower (which is what I said...obviously not high speed, derp) but games were also proportionally smaller too. People did pirate games and software in the floppy days whether you want to believe it or not. And of course there were people that, like yourself, were screaming it would be the downfall of games and software but of course we all know what's happened to both markets since then.
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29. August 2010 @ 20:19 |
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Cool story bro.
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D'awww, one post too late.
Well, anyway, to answer your question:
There's no concrete evidence either way. People are leaning heavily toward the "Sony can firmware it pretty easily," though whether that's due to actual knowledge of how the PSJ works or due to just a preconception that Sony can firmware ANYTHING, I'm not sure.
That said, there's also the rumor going around that PSJ isn't software-upgradable as its developers claim. In other words, once Sony does release 3.42 or 3.5 or whatever is after the most recent version, you'll have to buy a physical updater (or, God forbid, an all-new PSJ) to continue pirating games I mean playing backups.
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bigo93
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29. August 2010 @ 22:23 |
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Originally posted by w00ly:
Who said anything about high speed internet or even 5.25" floppies?? 3.5" were floppies too and it was slower (which is what I said...obviously not high speed, derp) but games were also proportionally smaller too. People did pirate games and software in the floppy days whether you want to believe it or not. And of course there were people that, like yourself, were screaming it would be the downfall of games and software but of course we all know what's happened to both markets since then.
In fact floppies were a hell of a lot easier to pirate! it was as simple as typing copy a:/
and remember this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI
As he said there was probably more ppl pirating from floppies as there are now from dvds, most likely thanks to new protection they add which means the pirate needs to know what they are doing to actually copy a game these days or even run it!
Back in the floppy days even Biff could copy a game without any technical knowhow, but today without knowing ths basics of computers most cant even download the game let alone install and play it.
Anyway as we all know piracy has been around for decades, as that youtube vid shows, but the gaming is stronger than ever and still growing. It's just like with the movie and music industry, the developers get paid, it's just the publishers getting greedy trying to squeeze as much money out of people as they can. Look at Call of Duty MW2, the rrp was £55, £10 more than a normal new release! and come 2nd day of release we had supermarkets selling it at £26! I was lucky to get one at this price even though its the first cod game ive played, but imagine the fans of the game who preordered this months in advance, finding out they could have got it at 50% off if only they waited until the day after its release.
Anyway enough about piracy, I'm growing impatient with this dongle, when are the clones gonna drive down the price?! Forget about price which ones are even gonna make it to the shops?!
Hey you can buy your own game with a manual!
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30. August 2010 @ 03:23 |
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Originally posted by bigo93:
Originally posted by w00ly:
Who said anything about high speed internet or even 5.25" floppies?? 3.5" were floppies too and it was slower (which is what I said...obviously not high speed, derp) but games were also proportionally smaller too. People did pirate games and software in the floppy days whether you want to believe it or not. And of course there were people that, like yourself, were screaming it would be the downfall of games and software but of course we all know what's happened to both markets since then.
In fact floppies were a hell of a lot easier to pirate! it was as simple as typing copy a:/
and remember this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI
As he said there was probably more ppl pirating from floppies as there are now from dvds, most likely thanks to new protection they add which means the pirate needs to know what they are doing to actually copy a game these days or even run it!
Back in the floppy days even Biff could copy a game without any technical knowhow, but today without knowing ths basics of computers most cant even download the game let alone install and play it.
Anyway as we all know piracy has been around for decades, as that youtube vid shows, but the gaming is stronger than ever and still growing. It's just like with the movie and music industry, the developers get paid, it's just the publishers getting greedy trying to squeeze as much money out of people as they can. Look at Call of Duty MW2, the rrp was £55, £10 more than a normal new release! and come 2nd day of release we had supermarkets selling it at £26! I was lucky to get one at this price even though its the first cod game ive played, but imagine the fans of the game who preordered this months in advance, finding out they could have got it at 50% off if only they waited until the day after its release.
Anyway enough about piracy, I'm growing impatient with this dongle, when are the clones gonna drive down the price?! Forget about price which ones are even gonna make it to the shops?!
Hey you can buy your own game with a manual!
He...I remember their attempts at DRM...many of them were more bothersome than modern DRM forms. Both "the rocketeer" and "wings of the luftwaffe" came with spin-wheels that you had to use to decode a symbol from the screen into another set of symbols on the wheel...Always-on DRM almost seems tame compared to that. In spite of this, people still copied these games (and they used copy machines to copy the wheels).
Oh, as for using the internet for piracy, it was not very common back then...most people did not even have dial-up, and the people who did have it were paying by the minute. The internet was more for sharing hacking instructions than anything else. Sure, there were a few people with faster lines that just charged by the month...but anyone with the cash to pay for such a line also had the cash to buy software legally. Back then, piracy was a much more personal affair..."I bought this, let me share it with you friend" rather than today's, "I stole this, everyone take a copy!"
The xbox360 seems designed for piracy; piracy rates are sky high...yet the 360 makes more money on software sales than the PS3 does, even if you consider that there are more 360s than PS3s, the 360 still makes more on software sales per console. Skew that however you want...but the piracy box is selling more consoles and more games than the box that does not have piracy (or did not until a few days ago). This in spite of a higher price (after accessories needed to match a stock PS3), the need for a paid subscription to go online, and a complete lack of bluray support. I don't see how anyone can see all of that, and still think that piracy hurts sales.
Oh, as for the "Pirates buy 10x more than they steal" argument, it is a bit misquoted. From what I remember, that study showed that pirates buy 10x more software, music, and movies than the average user...but that they typically have about 100x more software, music, and movies than the average user. Still, this makes piracy a good thing for publishers...would you rather sell one app to a person or 10 apps to that person? Would it really make any difference if they steal apps they there were not going to buy anyway? You are still making 10x more money from the pirate!
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30. August 2010 @ 08:39 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Oh, as for the "Pirates buy 10x more than they steal" argument, it is a bit misquoted. From what I remember, that study showed that pirates buy 10x more software, music, and movies than the average user...but that they typically have about 100x more software, music, and movies than the average user. Still, this makes piracy a good thing for publishers...would you rather sell one app to a person or 10 apps to that person? Would it really make any difference if they steal apps they there were not going to buy anyway? You are still making 10x more money from the pirate!
WEll that's what some people find strange, these companies are trying to sue their best customers and then ask why they are losing in sales (at least thats what they think). This then alienates their customers and if they do end up having to make a payout end up pirating more.
But as Ive said some companies deserve what they get, for me this includes Ubisoft and now Sony.
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30. August 2010 @ 10:32 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Thats hilarious, were is this studies? show me some facts.
If you took 2 seconds to do some research you'd find it with ABSOLUTELY no trouble.
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
bunch of stuff.
You misunderstand mostly everything i've said.. and some of what you said is just silly, AC2 sold 6 million copies in january which avg's about 360mil USD (Not counting how many of those were Collector's editions sold), in may they sold 9 million, and the PC version launched with DRM..I'd say that's a pretty above average sales margin for a sequel to a game that a lot of people found to be boring and repetitive. (Meaning the avg. Halo/CoD4 players) As for the GT5 prologue, well it was a super duper demo (basically) with a 40$ price tag, just sayin'. Your problem is for some crazy reason you believe everything that publishers and the software companies tell you (lulz).
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
You want concrete evidence..... have a look around the net and tell me that all this people in forums, news, warez forum, tracker sites that make posts/ talk about copied games arent the average user of a console..... but of course anyone that has a console doesnt know what internet is, sorry i forgot that.
Are you serious? Are you serious??????? You actually gave me a headache, how is that concrete evidence? Do you think the average joe browses warez and tracker forums!?? LOL!!! How many people at your job or school own a modded console or actively discuss warez on the interwebs?
I could go back and forth with you on this but it's obvious to me that you barely understood my post and you also have NO idea about what you're talking about.. so i'm really just wasting my time.
Originally posted by Killer_Bug:
Oh, as for the "Pirates buy 10x more than they steal" argument, it is a bit misquoted. From what I remember, that study showed that pirates buy 10x more software, music, and movies than the average user...but that they typically have about 100x more software, music, and movies than the average user. Still, this makes piracy a good thing for publishers...would you rather sell one app to a person or 10 apps to that person? Would it really make any difference if they steal apps they there were not going to buy anyway? You are still making 10x more money from the pirate!
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30. August 2010 @ 12:21 |
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I just realized something...Ubisoft's DRM is an attempt to help start-up companies that really need the extra money. It is simple...you take your most profitable customers, and alienate them. They take their money and buy games from upstart studios, and pirate the games that they were going to buy from you!
I can't believe it took me so long to get that! Thanks Ubisoft, that is very charitable of you. Let's hear it for Ubisoft's support of upstart companies!
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30. August 2010 @ 20:52 |
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meh I could care less about the never ending war of the ethics behind hacks. I just want the darn thing and I'm sure that most of the people that are looking at this thread want it also, so can we all just focus on that?
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30. August 2010 @ 20:53 |
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sorry for the double post :S
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1. September 2010 @ 02:02 |
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Well, now the source code's out there for all and for free. All you need is a... Teensy++ USB Dev board or AT90USBKEY, whatever those are.
$30 hardware
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FREE software
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PS3 cracked
My favorite part, though, is:
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This software is not intended to enable piracy, and such features have been disabled.
Hellz-effin'-yeah. Sure, it's only a matter of time before someone enables piracy, but still. Nice to know the ORIGINAL release was with pure homebrew in mind.
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1. September 2010 @ 04:50 |
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Originally posted by KajNrig:
Well, now the source code's out there for all and for free. All you need is a... Teensy++ USB Dev board or EYAT90USBK, whatever those are.
$30 hardware
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FREE software
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PS3 cracked
My favorite part, though, is:
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This software is not intended to enable piracy, and such features have been disabled.
Hellz-effin'-yeah. Sure, it's only a matter of time before someone enables piracy, but still. Nice to know the ORIGINAL release was with pure homebrew in mind.
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Teensy USB Development Board HERE
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1. September 2010 @ 05:54 |
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Originally posted by KajNrig:
Well, now the source code's out there for all and for free. All you need is a... Teensy++ USB Dev board or AT90USBKEY, whatever those are.
$30 hardware
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FREE software
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PS3 cracked
My favorite part, though, is:
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This software is not intended to enable piracy, and such features have been disabled.
Hellz-effin'-yeah. Sure, it's only a matter of time before someone enables piracy, but still. Nice to know the ORIGINAL release was with pure homebrew in mind.
It's been patched.
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1. September 2010 @ 12:16 |
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I'm lost here. the software get dumped from the dongle yet? and tell me more of this Arduino chip.... Is that what we'll need when the software does get out?
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1. September 2010 @ 13:01 |
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Originally posted by cletoz:
I'm lost here. the software get dumped from the dongle yet? and tell me more of this Arduino chip.... Is that what we'll need when the software does get out?
Answer is right above you.
Originally posted by whytellu:
Originally posted by KajNrig:
Well, now the source code's out there for all and for free. All you need is a... Teensy++ USB Dev board or AT90USBKEY, whatever those are.
$30 hardware
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FREE software
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PS3 cracked
My favorite part, though, is:
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This software is not intended to enable piracy, and such features have been disabled.
Hellz-effin'-yeah. Sure, it's only a matter of time before someone enables piracy, but still. Nice to know the ORIGINAL release was with pure homebrew in mind.
It's been patched.
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1. September 2010 @ 13:48 |
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psjailbreak code can be run off a psp, ppl are already trying to create a driver. So if you got a psp that can run homebrew, just wait until the guys do it then download.
Love that math's group found that psj had a "feature" which made the ps3 check to make sure the dongle was always in. they at least kindly removed that flaw, so once you have the expliot working you can disconnect your psp, iphone, dongle etc.
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1. September 2010 @ 15:07 |
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Originally posted by whytellu:
It's been patched.
Wah wah wahhhhh.... Well, it was bound to happen.
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1. September 2010 @ 15:36 |
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Originally posted by KajNrig:
Originally posted by whytellu:
It's been patched.
Wah wah wahhhhh.... Well, it was bound to happen.
I think you misunderstood. The source code was released with the ability to use the backup manager disabled and it has been PATCHED to be enabled now.
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1. September 2010 @ 17:02 |
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No, I know. I'm just saying I had been hoping it would take a bit longer before someone decided to enable it, that's all.
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2. September 2010 @ 04:20 |
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Sweet! Backup has been enabled! Time to go buy a "used" PS3 and get a library of games overnight! I can now hook my friends up too! I feel not giving sony a dime expresses my feelings on what they did to Lik Sang!
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