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Xbox One barely beats Nintendo Wii U in sales?
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article published on 6 March, 2014
Although it is the general consensus that Nintendo has played itself out of the home console market with the Wii U being a failure, according to VGChartz, Microsoft's new Xbox One only barely beat out the Wii U in sales for the week ended February 22nd.
For the period, the Xbox One saw global sales of 56,769 units, while the older Wii U had global sales of 44,503 units. Sony demolished ... [ read the full article ]
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8. March 2014 @ 23:40 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Originally posted by bobiroc:
LOL.. Another one that does not realize that while Nintendo is in a rut they have way more money than Microsoft and Sony do in their gaming divisions. I say gaming divisions because all Nintendo does is video games and MS and Sony have many departments. Both Sony and Microsoft have lost billions over the years and yet while Nintendo needs to step back up to the plate they still have nearly 9 billion in cash on hand.
"LOL" back at you...another one who doesn't realize that both Sony and Microsoft can rob Peter to pay Paul (in other words, use revenue from their other divisions) to save a lagging console division. I think Sony has proven that it can carry a basically no-profit gaming console division for...oh...a decade and still be the distant #1 console in the world.
Where's Nintendo going to shuffle money from to save the dismally failing Wii U? The 3DS? The fact is with tablets and phones, no one wants to carry around a dedicated portable console anymore, so Nintendo's only success (the DS line) is about to be just as unsuccessful as the Wii line.
Sony has no money in their peter division to pay paul. The whole company is in a financial shamble. Microsoft that may be true to an extent and has kept the XBOX division afloat for this long. Of course if the board of directors at Microsoft have their way they will see the XBOX division shut down or sold has they have been trying to axe it for a while. I am sorry as you seem to see sales quantity as the main term for success but while that may look good to the naive and on paper to some it is not a true measure of success.
All that being said if Nintendo does not adapt and change some things around (like they say they are doing already) then it could be harmful to Nintendo but ultimately they have a long way to go before that happens.
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GernBlan
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9. March 2014 @ 00:22 |
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Originally posted by deucezulu22:
Are you that dense?
Resorting to name-calling and base level insults is a clear tell of how incorrect you know you are.
Originally posted by deucezulu22:
It doesn't matter if the Vita has superior tech, if it's not selling then the whole point is mute (same happened with the PSP).
The PS Vita sold to me x2, and yet the inferior 3DS did not (even though I've bought every other Nintendo portable and never owned or had any interest in the PSP). Seems like a very relevant point to me.
Originally posted by deucezulu22:
Nintendo market their games for everyone, not just kids so no their target is not just for children. Besides, you need to read, the 2DS is designed for a proper age limit, it's the same reason movie theaters have warning signs that 3D is not good for kids at certain ages. Nice try though. Your opinion about how relevant you think the 3D is while the 3DS XL flies off of shelves is irrelevant. Sales is the indication of what the consumer wants, and that is the 3DS and a majority have deemed it a great system.
My decision to not purchase the 3DS was solely based on the horribly implemented 3D feature. Even the positive reviews of the 3DS and 3DS XL typically consider the 3D feature to be relatively worthless. So, I'd have to say that's very relevant. I did not purchase the 3DS because we already had the DSi XL (x2), and frankly, the 3DS was a downgrade from the DSi XL. Now that the 3DS XL has been released, I'm sure it is selling better than the 3DS because the original 3DS simply was not an upgrade to the DSi XL. However, the 2DS is definitely not an upgrade from the DSi XL. The only thing that could make it an "upgrade" is the ability to play the exclusive 3DS games that Nintendo screwed all of its millions of existing customers out of in attempt to "force" them to buy the 3DS.
Originally posted by deucezulu22:
Everything I have stated is fact and can be easily Googled to clarify.
You suggested I do so, so I did.
Trend that kids are dumping portable game consoles (specifically "Nintendos") for phones and tablets:
http://mynintendonews.com/2013/09/12/np...apple-products/
Stats that show that the PSP has to-date sold almost 2x the number of units as the 3DS:
http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/
Sorry, couldn't seem to find any of your "facts". I did find OPINIONS that backed up some of your statements, but I can assure you that I can also find plenty of OPINIONS to back up all of mine.
Originally posted by deucezulu22:
Your awareness of what goes on in the gaming industry is severely limited. You are too invested in your ignorance.
Okay, first of all, exactly how does one become invested in ignorance? I think by very definition that's a rather oxymoronic statement, since it's not really possible to invest anything (time, money, thought, etc.) in knowing nothing about a particular subject. The very act of investing something would automatically make me less ignorant.
My awareness and opinion on the gaming industry is the only thing that counts -- at least to me and how I spend my money. As someone who owned every major gaming platform in history, I'd have to say that the fact that I do not own a XBOX One, Wii U, or 3DS should say a lot. The fact that I am clearly willing to spend money on gaming platforms, but will not buy those three should be highly relevant to the manufacturers of those devices.
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9. March 2014 @ 00:58 |
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Originally posted by bobiroc:
I am sorry as you seem to see sales quantity as the main term for success but while that may look good to the naive and on paper to some it is not a true measure of success.
My portfolio is very successful (>35% return), so I can assure that I understand profit.
Nintendo is a one-trick pony -- all they have is video games. Sony and Microsoft have the ability to write off their gaming console divisions on a whim, and still could be successful companies. What is Nintendo, a dedicated gaming console company, going to do without a non-portable console offering?
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9. March 2014 @ 05:04 |
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At the end of the day it would be a bad thing if Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony ceased making consoles. The consumer looses out as we have less choice. We lost Sega, lets hope we don't lose anyone else.
Just be sure to support your console of choice.
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9. March 2014 @ 13:54 |
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Originally posted by Mysttic:
"No, that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about being on another console. "
Soul Calibre 2 was on all platforms when it released: so yes it's rare but not unthinkable. As Nintendo said, they would do it if they see profitability and recognizable potential sales towards their hardware.
Last so what if they never would again anyhow: it's not like you going to see Sony release God of War/Infamous/ anything Naughty Dog is going to land on Xbox or Wii.
What? Soul Calibur is not owned by Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo. Also Link was only in the Gamecube version.
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9. March 2014 @ 14:08 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
The PS Vita sold to me x2, and yet the inferior 3DS did not (even though Ive bought every other Nintendo portable and never owned or had any interest in the PSP). Seems like a very relevant point to me.
No one cares what you think really
Originally posted by GernBlan:
However, the 2DS is definitely not an upgrade from the DSi XL. The only thing that could make it an "upgrade" is the ability to play the exclusive 3DS games that Nintendo screwed all of its millions of existing customers out of in attempt to "force" them to buy the 3DS.
What? Its a entirely new system with entirely newer hardware than the DS BTW which is capable graphically of stuff the Ds couldnt.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
Trend that kids are dumping portable game consoles (specifically "Nintendos") for phones and tablets:
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Those crappy news only focus in Nintendo because Sony is so irrelevant to the handheld market, hence why theyre not mentioned. Still, despite all of that, the 3DS is still selling quite well
Originally posted by GernBlan:
Stats that show that the PSP has to-date sold almost 2x the number of units as the 3DS:
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Theyre not even from the same generation.
PSP and DS/DSi are from the seventh generation
3DS and Vita are from the eighth generation
So of course the PSP has sold more than the 3DS when its been out for 10 years
And if you want to play the sales game, the 3DS has sold 44m worldwide, while the Vita only about 8m
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9. March 2014 @ 15:55 |
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Though that is true, still you could only play as link on the GameCube version and not on the other consoles. -
You gotta point there, forgot to factor that in. Than in this case I have to admit it'd be suicide for Nintendo to license any IP to other platforms as it would urge more people into buying the competitions hardware. I can't really blame them for not wanting to go down the potential same path of SEGA.
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9. March 2014 @ 21:13 |
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Originally posted by darkprogame:
No one cares what you think really
Really? Because you sure seem to care. You've replied quoting my posts several times now. Thanks for apparently caring so much.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
What? Its a entirely new system with entirely newer hardware than the DS BTW which is capable graphically of stuff the Ds couldnt.
Well, *my* DSi XL can actually do more than the stock 3DS can, so it wasn't (and still isn't) an upgrade for me.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Those crappy news only focus in Nintendo because Sony is so irrelevant to the handheld market, hence why theyre not mentioned. Still, despite all of that, the 3DS is still selling quite well
Not as well as phones and tablets, and the #1 thing that most phone and tablet owners do with their devices? Yep, play games.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Theyre not even from the same generation.
PSP and DS/DSi are from the seventh generation
3DS and Vita are from the eighth generation
So of course the PSP has sold more than the 3DS when its been out for 10 years
And if you want to play the sales game, the 3DS has sold 44m worldwide, while the Vita only about 8m
You said:
Originally posted by deucezulu22:
Are you that dense? It doesn't matter if the Vita has superior tech, if it's not selling then the whole point is mute (same happened with the PSP).
Clearly it mattered that the PSP was superior tech because they ended up selling rather well (80.75 million units) during its market life. That's more than the NES, SNES, and GameCube sold during their respective market lives and comes close to beating them combined. Honestly, that's not a bad a second place finish and shows that plenty of people wanted an alternative to the DS and Nintendo.
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9. March 2014 @ 22:05 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Well, *my* DSi XL can actually do more than the stock 3DS can, so it wasn't (and still isn't) an upgrade for me.
What? What more can it even do? 3DS will play DS, DSi exclusive games (including DSiWare games) and has all the stock applications in it and 3DS/3DSWare games + VC games + new apps just for it. Also you know you can just simply turn off the 3D right? The games don't require it's use.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
Not as well as phones and tablets, and the #1 thing that most phone and tablet owners do with their devices? Yep, play games.
Uh, ok. You said that they can't survive on a market that is going over to smartphone, other guy replied that sales are indicating that market still want it, but they need to make changes, then you reply to the same guy with your link about kids dumping Nintendo for smartphones (citing specifically Nintendo, I tell you why it's wrong and then you reply with this ... Ignoring the fact that the vita is a selling a little less than 1/4 of the total 3DS sales.
Your post doesn't sense, what are you attacking exactly? Also smartphone heavily impact the Vita too...
Originally posted by GernBlan:
You said:
Not me
Originally posted by GernBlan:
That's more than the NES, SNES, and GameCube
I give it to you for the Gamecube, but comparing it to Nes and Snes isn't right. The market got much, much bigger in the last 10 years than it was during the NES and SNES.
Also BTW, second place was last place. Unless you count (and you shouldn't) small stuff that didn't even come close to competing. Also the PSP sold a little less than half of the DS. The Vita is currently in a much worse situation.
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It's ridiculous how worked up people get when talking about Nintendo, Fanboyism does nothing but inhibits people from experiencing some excellent software that's available. All 3 of the consoles have excellent software titles that are exclusivity released for each. I understand its not the "Cool" thing in school to talk about getting your ass handed you in the new super Luigi U, but I stand confused as to how so many people will bash a console they have never even played?
It would be also important to mention how many people have forgotten the difference between Nintendo, Xbox, and PS4.
I see so many people arguing the features and comparing a HTPC to a console that is built simply to play games in a new way and nothing more. Yeah a few internet features but if online game play is what your passionate about, Xbox would be by far your best choice. want to save on the online gameplay and enjoy great exclusives like little big planet, twisted metal, SquareEnix Titles, Gran turismo with emphasis on graphics ect PS4 is gonna be the best console for you, but if your into just putting a game in and playing with a new experience every time and could care less about demanding the company make you a HTPC Nintendo is the way to go.
I understand Nintendo had a late start on 1st party releases and people want to point the finger but seriously? xbox and PS4 are greatly lacking in good launch releases, M$ knew they were lacking by filling the store shelves with pre order boxes a year out.
But just as Nintendo has got a great line up for this year PS4 & Xbox will soon enough. If people want to bash a console they have yet to play, they are only shooting themselves in the foot or they are more about the "Trend" factor than the games, its blatantly obvious Nintendo is an awesome developer when they walk away from the Vegas Game show with the most amount of awards yearly, but hey they can keep complaining, save some money, and miss out on some great titles. Personally I just buy all the consoles as soon as each one has a healthy lineup of titles I want to play.
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10. March 2014 @ 01:12 |
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Originally posted by Menion:
...if online game play is what your passionate about, Xbox would be by far your best choice.
You wrote a long piece and I'm sorry to seem like I'm nitpicking here but can you clarify that? I can see that if you have an already established circle of friends that game on Xbox Live from the X360 days... but as far as the new PS4 is concerned they've claimed they've updated their online experience. And yeah, you pay for it now, one of the reasons given to claim the X360 online was better at the time.
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10. March 2014 @ 02:04 |
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Originally posted by darkprogame:
What? What more can it even do? 3DS will play DS, DSi exclusive games (including DSiWare games) and has all the stock applications in it and 3DS/3DSWare games + VC games + new apps just for it. Also you know you can just simply turn off the 3D right? The games don't require it's use.
Why would I buy another portable console just to play maybe 3 new games (most of the rest are just 3D reworks of previous software titles) only to turn off the main feature for why I'm supposed to want this console over the DSi XL that I already have? I can think of a lot more useful things to buy for $200.
As for what my DSi XL can do that the 3DS can't, what do you care? Remember, my opinion doesn't matter so why would I help you make a better purchase decision for portable consoles?
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Uh, ok. You said that they can't survive on a market that is going over to smartphone, other guy replied that sales are indicating that market still want it, but they need to make changes, then you reply to the same guy with your link about kids dumping Nintendo for smartphones (citing specifically Nintendo, I tell you why it's wrong and then you reply with this ... Ignoring the fact that the vita is a selling a little less than 1/4 of the total 3DS sales.
Your post doesn't sense, what are you attacking exactly?
My post makes more sense than yours, but I admit that's mostly because I don't leave out key words like verbs and I know how to punctuate (and type).
That being said, the link that I posted stated, "The Nintendo 3DS is only being used by 9% of young people, after being on the market roughly 30 months." Okay, that's not a very good statistic for Nintendo. If it's selling as well as you (and Nintendo) claim/report, what that should tell anyone looking at both those stats is that parents are buying the kiddies a 3DS for Christmas, birthdays, etc., but the kiddies simply aren't playing it. Why? Because phones and tablets are more readily available to them, the games are exponentially cheaper (which the parents like), and phone/tablet games are what is actually popular now when it comes to portable gaming (which is what the kids like).
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Also smartphone heavily impact the Vita too...
The obvious difference is that Nintendo doesn't offer a phone or tablet, whereas both Sony and Microsoft do. And in the case of Sony, they offer the best selling console of all time, the current best-selling console, a rather successful portable console, several tablets, and several phones. And that's just their offerings relevant to gaming, as they also offer audio and video electronics, TVs, computers, still cameras, video cameras, portable audio, arguably the top rated video editing software suite, etc.
Nintendo is a one-trick pony, and right now that pony is trying to walk around on only one leg.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
You said:
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Not me
Yeah, funny thing, that. Although you're not the same username, you seem to have taken over precisely where he left off, and did so rather passionately for someone who has the rank of "Newbie" and came late to this discussion.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
I give it to you for the Gamecube, but comparing it to Nes and Snes isn't right. The market got much, much bigger in the last 10 years than it was during the NES and SNES.
Thanks, but I'll still take all three as it was my point to make. Was the same Nintendo not the manufacturer of the NES and SNES? Sorry, but you can't just pick and choose in blatant attempt to make Nintendo look better. If you're going to do that, then I choose to strike the Vita's sales stats from my side of the argument.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Also BTW, second place was last place. Unless you count (and you shouldn't) small stuff that didn't even come close to competing. Also the PSP sold a little less than half of the DS. The Vita is currently in a much worse situation.
Portable gaming has always been targeted as second row seat entertainment for the kids. That's the sole reason why the DS, GameBoy, GBA, and even the 3DS are as successful as they are. The fact that a much more adult oriented portable console like the PSP was half as successful is actually very significant, because the PSP was never intended to be the electronic babysitter for the kiddies, and yet it still sold half as much as the Nintendo offering that blatantly targets kids. The explanation for why the Vita isn't doing as well as the 3DS is exactly the same: Parents are buying the 3DS for the children. The Vita is typically purchased by adults for adults (or at least much older "children"). The reason the Vita isn't doing as well as the PSP did is directly because of phones and tablets. The young adult target market of the Vita typically already has a phone and/or tablet. The young child target market of the 3DS typically does not have full-time access to a phone and/or tablet, and yet the statistic I quote above says that only 9% of young people are using a 3DS. That doesn't sound like very good statistics for Nintendo. Sure, the console sales are up, but if the kids aren't playing them then they're not buying games, so the platform is going to die anyway. I'm guessing you think it won't, but...hey, that's what everyone said about the Wii and Wii U, too, and now developers are refusing to put out Wii U games.
How do you think the stats would turn out if we added Sony's tablet and phone statistics to their portable gaming stats? To be fair, we would, of course, add Nintendo's phone and tablet stats as well...wait...OOPS.
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10. March 2014 @ 02:35 |
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Originally posted by Menion:
It's ridiculous how worked up people get when talking about Nintendo, Fanboyism does nothing but inhibits people from experiencing some excellent software that's available. All 3 of the consoles have excellent software titles that are exclusivity released for each. I understand its not the "Cool" thing in school to talk about getting your ass handed you in the new super Luigi U, but I stand confused as to how so many people will bash a console they have never even played?
I've never owned/driven a pink Cadillac, but I can say with 100% certainty that I would not enjoy owning such a vehicle and therefore do not want one.
In my house I have the SNES, Wii, GameBoy, GBA, DS, DSi, DSi XL, PSOne, PS2, PS3(x2), PS4(x2), and XBox 360(x2). When it came time to choose between the PS4 or XBox One, it was actually rather easy. Although both consoles have their exclusive games, both consoles are requiring you to upgrade to continue playing them since neither offers backward compatibility. So that really evens the playing field and allows you to choose the better console purely on its own advertised specs/merits instead of just going with a default decision because you have more purchased games for one console than the other.
Simply put, Microsoft did not do the XBOX One any favors with its arrogant and cocky pre-release information/rumors concerning overbearing copyright protection, online requirements, limited hard drive size, limited launch day games, disappointing system specs, privacy concerns with Kinect, etc.
Sony handled that much better with the PS4, to the point that my oldest son (college age) who is heavily invested in the XBOX 360 decided to switch to the PS4.
Nintendo completely botched the Wii U release by simply not advertising it....at all. And then they do the same screwing over of their existing customers with the Wii U that they did with the 3DS -- only releasing new versions of their very popular exclusive game titles on the Wii U and 3DS, but not the Wii or the DSi. Nintendo might view that as a good marketing strategy, but as an existing customer I simply don't. Sure, they can reward the early adopters with new titles, but they should have eventually released these same titles to their older platforms, especially when they were still selling the Wii and DSi/DSi XL in stores. That's just pure greed without any concern for your existing customers, and don't reward companies with policies like this.
So for me, the decision was a no-brainer. No XBOX One and no Wii U. Instead we went with two PS4s, two Vitas, a couple of Android tablets, several iPads, and several Android and Apple phones. Frankly, I don't feel that we're missing out on anything, and the statistics are clearly showing that we're not the only ones who feel that way.
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It's so annoying when Fanboys come here slating a system they have no intention of buying or playing. So what if the Wii U isn't up there with the PS4 or Xbox One?? I own a an Xbox and Xbox 360.. Yeah they're great. I own a PS2, PS3 and PS4.. Yep they're great. I own a Wii and Wii U and I think they are great machines. The Kids have a fab time on the Wii, Wii U because those games don't involve violence, swearing, running around with machine guns etc. Lets talk about software. Whilst I enjoyed many games on the PS3 and Xbox360 I got sick to death of the amount of darn war sims and shooters being released. For heavens sake! enough already!!!! Xbox One and PS4??? Sigh.... War shooters AGAIN!!!!!! Arggggghhhhh. This is why I like games such as the GTA series which is different! and when I get fed up with the same darn title lists of shooters I turn on the Wii and play Mario Galaxy and other great titles. This is what makes Nintendo unique and appealing for parents and kids. I like all the consoles and buy them for various reasons and titles. People should stop moaning about why the Wii U sucks. It doesn't, the lack of software sucks! When the titles begin to flow and they will do... the sales will get stronger. If people don't like the Wii U or Nintendo products then move along.... nothing to see here.
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Why would I buy another portable console just to play maybe 3 new games (most of the rest are just 3D reworks of previous software titles)
So, you're just doing to be THAT guy are you?
There's plenty of games already, a lot not even by Nintendo. And even Nintendo made new franshises for the eShop and are bringing new stuff like Tomodachi Collection, which we never got the DS one.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
As for what my DSi XL can do that the 3DS can't, what do you care? Remember, my opinion doesn't matter so why would I help you make a better purchase decision for portable consoles?
Lol "I wrote myself into a corner so I'll just avoid saying it entirely"
Originally posted by GernBlan:
That being said, the link that I posted stated, "The Nintendo 3DS is only being used by 9% of young people, after being on the market roughly 30 months." ...
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The obvious difference is that Nintendo doesn't offer a phone or tablet ... etc
Irrelevant, youth turning to smartphones affects the Vita and Sony having their own tablet line does absolutely nothing to this argument. Smartphones don't have the same game quality (or controls) than handhelds. They,re something else entirely.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
Yeah, funny thing, that. Although you're not the same username, you seem to have taken over precisely where he left off, and did so rather passionately for someone who has the rank of "Newbie" and came late to this discussion.
Whatever makes you sleep better at night
Originally posted by GernBlan:
Thanks, but I'll still take all three as it was my point to make. Was the same Nintendo not the manufacturer of the NES and SNES? Sorry, but you can't just pick and choose in blatant attempt to make Nintendo look better. If you're going to do that, then I choose to strike the Vita's sales stats from my side of the argument.
Yeah .... I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. You can't just ignore fact and cherry pick numbers from different generations, in times where gaming wasn't as big, in times where 8 millions was actually decent (which isn't now)
Also BTW, the Snes sold 40m worldwide, the N64 32 millions and the Gamecube 21 millions.... Which are all above the Vita. Please cherry pick things that goes in your advantage at least.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
The explanation for why the Vita isn't doing as well as the 3DS is exactly the same: Parents are buying the 3DS for the children. The Vita is typically purchased by adults for adults (or at least much older "children"). The reason the Vita isn't doing as well as the PSP did is directly because of phones and tablets. The young adult target market of the Vita typically already has a phone and/or tablet. The young child target market of the 3DS typically does not have full-time access to a phone and/or tablet, and yet the statistic I quote above says that only 9% of young people are using a 3DS. That doesn't sound like very good statistics for Nintendo. Sure, the console sales are up, but if the kids aren't playing them then they're not buying games, so the platform is going to die anyway. I'm guessing you think it won't, but...hey, that's what everyone said about the Wii and Wii U, too, and now developers are refusing to put out Wii U games.
How do you think the stats would turn out if we added Sony's tablet and phone statistics to their portable gaming stats? To be fair, we would, of course, add Nintendo's phone and tablet stats as well...wait...OOPS.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/18/po...students-japan/
And I'd say it's also very much the case here, everyone that has a 3DS in college here is also playing Pokémon
It's not because it's mainly marketed to kids that it only sells to kids you know?
Also Sony's Smartphones sold numbers are very irrelevant to the conversation
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Originally posted by TrinUK:
It's so annoying when Fanboys come here slating a system they have no intention of buying or playing.
Yeah. Sure. I'm a "Fanboy". I've just owned every major console system since the beginning of console systems, but I'm just a "Fanboy" of...uh...all of them...? Given how many of the consoles I do own, I seriously doubt that there's anyone more qualified to discuss them here, and I definitely can't be called a "Fanboy" when I've invested in all them.
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
It's so annoying when Fanboys come here slating a system they have no intention of buying or playing.
Yeah. Sure. I'm a "Fanboy". I've just owned every major console system since the beginning of console systems, but I'm just a "Fanboy" of...uh...all of them...? Given how many of the consoles I do own, I seriously doubt that there's anyone more qualified to discuss them here, and I definitely can't be called a "Fanboy" when I've invested in all them.
Now what exactly is the point of your comment????
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10. March 2014 @ 11:40 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
I did that!... but I had no idea that it was "allowed". You sure?
Well, let's put it like this, despite various lurid warnings from certain quarters that one day 'M$' would brick your console for doing so it never happened & lots of people fitted a 250gb or 320gb HDD in their Xbox & saw no difference compared to the official ones at all.
It's not like they didn't know it was going on & they could, had they wanted to, have stopped it, so yes, I'd say it was allowed.
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TrinUK
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10. March 2014 @ 11:44 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
It's so annoying when Fanboys come here slating a system they have no intention of buying or playing.
Yeah. Sure. I'm a "Fanboy". I've just owned every major console system since the beginning of console systems, but I'm just a "Fanboy" of...uh...all of them...? Given how many of the consoles I do own, I seriously doubt that there's anyone more qualified to discuss them here, and I definitely can't be called a "Fanboy" when I've invested in all them.
Exactly.... Perhaps you should take time to read the comment aimed at Fanboys who do not own the system but bad mouth it - as I clearly wrote.
Trin - Making Digital Waves
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GernBlan
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10. March 2014 @ 12:14 |
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Originally posted by darkprogame:
There's plenty of games already, a lot not even by Nintendo. And even Nintendo made new franshises for the eShop and are bringing new stuff like Tomodachi Collection, which we never got the DS one.
You do realize that the 3DS and the Vita are within about dozen total games of each other, right? By eShop do you mean that pale imitation of PSN? And am I or my teenagers (or especially my college kids) supposed to be jumping for joy over Tomodachi anything? How old are you? Does mom know you're on the internet so much?
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Lol "I wrote myself into a corner so I'll just avoid saying it entirely"
No, it's more like "I'm not stupid enough to post it on a public forum just because of your feeble attempt at double-dog daring me." Nice try, but epic fail.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Irrelevant, youth turning to smartphones affects the Vita and Sony having their own tablet line does absolutely nothing to this argument. Smartphones don't have the same game quality (or controls) than handhelds. They,re something else entirely.
Really? Because the same thing was said about consoles taking over for PC gaming..."never going to happen -- console hardware is too stagnant...controls are too limiting...a mouse, keyboard, easily degradable hardware is the future....". It happened. And the exact same thing is happening (mostly already happened) to portable gaming due to phones and tablets.
Have you ever played a Need for Speed (or similar simulation) title on DS or even 3DS? Have you seen that same title on a phone or tablet? The phone/tablet graphics are so vastly superior it puts the Nintendo offering right back in the 1990's where it probably belongs. And all of the consoles have had motion based controllers for two generations now...the same type of motion control that phones and tablets have. There's also this crazy thing on phones and tablets called Bluetooth, which coincidentally is the exact same wireless technology that the console controllers use. My children have been playing games for years now on my Android phone connected to a HDTV via HDMI and using a Wii controller or a PS3 controller. They even make mounts for like $5 that put a phone right on top of a PS3 controller for a true handheld gaming solution.
You and Nintendo are just refusing to face reality.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Yeah .... I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. You can't just ignore fact and cherry pick numbers from different generations, in times where gaming wasn't as big, in times where 8 millions was actually decent (which isn't now)
First of all, I can do whatever I want for my side of the debate. Why would I take your advice (or interpretation of the "rules") when you're so clearly the opposition to my opinion on the matter? Again, nice try, but epic fail.
Second, I'm not really cherry picking. I'm requesting that the companies (Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo) be considered in whole -- past, present, and future. Nintendo quickly becomes "who?" when you do that, as the respective gaming divisions of Sony and Microsoft are just a minuscule part of much larger companies. Again, all Nintendo has is a gaming division, and their only home console offering has X'es over its anime eyeballs (in other words, it's dead), and they now have to rely completely on the portable kiddie console to keep their head above water when portable gaming is being completely dominated by phones and tablets.
The other thing I find rather ironic is how everyone is talking about Sony and Microsoft's financials, but no one ever seems to mention that a year ago the MUCH smaller Nintendo posted like a $28 million loss. Again, it's a lot more difficult for a one-trick pony company to recover from something like that, especially when their major console is the reason they tanked.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Also BTW, the Snes sold 40m worldwide, the N64 32 millions and the Gamecube 21 millions.... Which are all above the Vita. Please cherry pick things that goes in your advantage at least.
You're now reverse cherry picking. Let's compare all of the Nintendo consoles and all of the Sony consoles totalled up. And then, yes, you still have to factor in all of Sony's other non-gaming divisions because they count, too, for better or worse. It's not Sony or Microsoft's fault that Nintendo is stubbornly sticking with it's single pony act when everyone else in the console wars is bringing a multi-ring circus to the profit (and loss) table.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/18/pokemon-x-y-sold-mainly-college-students-japan/
And I'd say it's also very much the case here, everyone that has a 3DS in college here is also playing Pokémon
I actually lived in Japan for 3 years, from the age of 16-19, and hung around with a lot of Japanese high school and college students during that time. Because of that first-hand experience, I can definitely say that Japan is a COMPLETELY different market in just about every single aspect for just about every single product from the North American or even European markets. So I'd have to say that, no, it's not very much the same case here (in North America) as it is in Japan.
I also have two college age children now, as well as a teenager and one pre-teen. None of the four (including the pre-teen) is interested in Pokemon AT ALL and neither are any of their numerous friends. So, again, I'd have to definitely say that it's not the same case here as it is in Japan....at all.
Gee, do you think there was a reason why the article's title specifically stated, "IN JAPAN"? Probably because those statistics are only relevant/apply to Japan. Again, from living there, I'm really not surprised at all. But that's not North America.
Originally posted by darkprogame:
Also Sony's Smartphones sold numbers are very irrelevant to the conversation
Again, not when the phone and tablet industry is rapidly dominating portable gaming. Given that Sony doesn't really offer a popular phone or tablet, the specific Sony numbers probably aren't that significant, but for the iPhone and iPad and other more popular Android offerings, the numbers are overwhelmingly significant. Nintendo (and you) are just too stubborn to admit it.
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GernBlan
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10. March 2014 @ 12:22 |
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Originally posted by TrinUK:
Exactly.... Perhaps you should take time to read the comment aimed at Fanboys who do not own the system but bad mouth it - as I clearly wrote.
I did read your comment, and as I am the only one currently badmouthing the Wii U and Nintendo in this thread and I do not own either of their current console systems (Wii U or 3DS), one can only construe the "Fanboy" comment was directed at me.
Your comment was directed at "Fanboys who come here" (meaning to this site). If you were actually talking about people who don't come here, then you probably should've posted that instead.
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TrinUK
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10. March 2014 @ 12:32 |
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Quote "I definitely can't be called a "Fanboy" when I've invested in all them"
You clearly have not invested in all of them if you don't have a Wii U.
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darkprogame
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10. March 2014 @ 12:59 |
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Originally posted by GernBlan:
And am I or my teenagers (or especially my college kids) supposed to be jumping for joy over Tomodachi anything? How old are you? Does mom know you're on the internet so much?
Lol, the "mature" vs "kiddy" crap argument again. I'm 24 and I don't have the need to play edgy dark "mature" games to make me feel like a big man. Who cares if Mario is seen as "kiddy", I'll play whatever is fun regardless of what people think of it.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
No, it's more like "I'm not stupid enough to post it on a public forum just because of your feeble attempt at double-dog daring me." Nice try, but epic fail.
You're only proving my point and making yourself look bad at the same time.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
Have you ever played a Need for Speed (or similar simulation) title on DS or even 3DS? Have you seen that same title on a phone or tablet? The phone/tablet graphics are so vastly superior it puts the Nintendo offering right back in the 1990's where it probably belongs.
Irrelevant. And there's more to games than pure raw graphics. I hate the graphics argument so much, someone could make a new game on NES with NES limitations and it still could be fun, so who cares? Anyways, superior graphics sure didn't help the PSP against the DS.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
They even make mounts for like $5 that put a phone right on top of a PS3 controller for a true handheld gaming solution.
That's not exactly super portable. If it can't fit entirely in your pocket, that's not portable
You and Nintendo are just refusing to face reality.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
First of all, I can do whatever I want for my side of the debate. Why would I take your advice (or interpretation of the "rules") when you're so clearly the opposition to my opinion on the matter? Again, nice try, but epic fail.
Because you can't just simply twist facts to your advantages and think you're right. That's not how an argument work
Originally posted by GernBlan:
Second, I'm not really cherry picking. I'm requesting that the companies (Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo) be considered in whole -- past, present, and future.
Oh lol please. That part of the argument started when you compared the PSP sales to the NES and SNES, which I said it's wrong because they're not even in the same generation (in which the market wasn't as big). Not only that's cherry picking, but it was just plain wrong. You can't just go back and say "uhhh let's compare it to everything instead!". This argument is about 3DS vs Vita, and the only other relevant data right now is PSP vs DS.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
The other thing I find rather ironic is how everyone is talking about Sony and Microsoft's financials, but no one ever seems to mention that a year ago the MUCH smaller Nintendo posted like a $28 million loss. Again, it's a lot more difficult for a one-trick pony company to recover from something like that, especially when their major console is the reason they tanked.
http://i.imgur.com/zYw1A.jpg
Nintendo will be fine. As you can see, Sony lost all of their profits they got during the PS2 with the PS3. The question is, will they be able to make this much profits this time around?
Thing is, for xbox:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the...ng-and-surface/
And for Sony:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2...ls-for-break-up
For both, throwing as much money around as been a big strategy for a while. Xbox haven't made much profits, and while Sony (the gaming division) is getting some profits here and there, the rest of the company is doing terribly (firing, restructuring and the recent building selling...), if they goes and separate all of the branches, they'll lose their ability to throw money freely and wouldn't be able to take such losses for long. If it happens, you better believe the Vita is gonna get dropped instantly.
On the other hand, Nintendo has a loss, one single loss for 1 year, they'll survive. and compared to Sony, Nintendo doesn't have debts either, so they actually own all that cash.
I'd say generally, Sony and Microsoft are much more likely to drop out of gaming than Nintendo.
Originally posted by GernBlan:
You're now reverse cherry picking.
I didn't cherry pick anything, I just turned your argument against you
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darkprogame
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10. March 2014 @ 13:08 |
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Also, the smartphone market is an absolute total mess. Rampant piracy on Android and sea of crap, quick clones and F2P to it's absolute worst on mobile. I've seen developers get quickly discouraged at the overall state of the market and it's users. Free demo but has paid content? Instead 1 star ratings. Also most users are expecting games to the 1$ range, which heavily devalue games and makes it harder for bigger stuff with actual production value put into it to succeed.
Also, the controls, urrg, if you have to put a virtual d-pad + buttons on your games for it to be playable, then your game was not meant for this platform.
Both current handhelds however are very good for indies developper
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/30/gu...y-nintendo-3ds/
That game even sold more on 3DS than on smartphone
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