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baseband
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Hi. I've been reading through this thread and I have some advice that may prove helpful.
First of all, I'd like to note that Minion's advice on page 5 to set the Master Stream to avoid synch problems is not the best solution. See here: http://http://virtualvcr.sourceforge.net/html/virtualvcr/sync.php
The Master Stream automatically gets set to "None" when you choose the "Resample Audio Dynamically" option. Simply changing the Master Stream setting won't resample the audio.
If your card can't capture in YUY2, you may want to set the "Convert to YUY2" option in the HuffyUV configuration. That's what I use for VHS captures. For better quality source, I used uncompressed YUY2 (about 70GB/hour).
Why? All analog source is in YUV colorspaces, as will be your encoded video result. Conversion between colorspaces is a good way to waste both encode-time and lose quality. Unfortunately, Premiere and VirtualDub work in RGB, requiring a conversion. Colorspace info: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/colorspace.html
The solution to this is AVIsynth. Yes, it's a scripting language and seems a little intimidating at first, but it's really not very hard to use, especially if your needs are simple, and it works in YUY2! There are also a wide range of filters available for AVIsynth. For example, a simple script that opens up a video and cuts out two commercial breaks would just be these two lines:
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AVIsource("C:\MyAvi.avi")
Trim(200,9786)+Trim(12957,25976)
In this case, the video you want encoded begins on frame 200, stops for a commercial break at frame 9786, then returns at frame 12957 and runs until frame 25976. You can add as many Trim commands as you want.
Preview the video in VirtualDub to see where the beginning and end frames are. An AVIsynth file is just a text file saved with a .AVS extension (after AVIsynth is installed, of course). When you load it in your video encoder, however, it is seen as an actual video file. The encoder will only see the frames you want it to see and won't encode anything that has to be cut out later.
Here is a basic guide to AVIsynth: http://www.inmatrix.com/articles/ivtcsynth.shtml
Here is a much more in-depth look at its capabilities:
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/userguides/99389.php
Also, I think people in this thread were asking for VirtualDub and TMPGEnc guides. Here you go:
Guide for TMPGEnc Settings (watch out for popup!):
http://www.dvdhelp.us/index.html?html/tuttmpgencadv.html~mainFrame
If that confuses you, or you're just lazy, you may want to try DVD2SVCD. Newer versions have an AVI2DVD mode that will produce good results. It automates the process with the encoder of your choice - TMPGEnc, CCE, or Canopus ProCoder. DVD2SVCD is free. Here is a guide for the AVI2DVD mode of DVD2SVCD: AVI.htm" class="korostus" target="_blank">http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dvd2svcd-AVI.htm
Here is a VirtualDub guide: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/virtualdub_procedures.htm
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Franknca
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3. April 2004 @ 17:54 |
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I have also noticed that VHS tapes recorded into the Media Center end up as RealMedia files that I can play on my Windows Media Player software. I copied one of these to a CD to play on a relatives PC but even though they have RealPlayer too, it would not play and kept saying it needed some kind of DAAA coding or something like that. I downloaded the latest version of Windows Media Player to their PC and still got that messge. What do they need to do to get their Windows Media Player to play it like mine does.
Also, is there an easy way to convert this RealMedia video file to MPEG2 to be copied onto a CD rather than a DVD as it is only an 8 minute clip and I don't want to waste an entire DVD on it? The 8 minute RealPlayer file was about 500 MB in size and fit nicely on a CD.
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Minion
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3. April 2004 @ 20:05 |
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Well if your Captire software is captireing to RM then you better find a Different method and format to capture too Because RM (Real Media)Is well known for being the Crapiest Lowest quality Format there is and encodeing any RM File to Full resolution Mpeg2 DVD will Totally Look awefull...Try useing Capture Software that Captures Directly to Mpeg2 Like WinDVR 3.0 or something simular....Cheers
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Billjr
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4. April 2004 @ 11:39 |
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I've read some of this thread and am very disappointed
with my mobo having onboard sound now. It sounds fantastic, but from what I've read here I have to go out and buy a sound card now to capture audio along with my video captures. Minion [ who seems very knowledgable] says onboard sound is NFG for capture.
Why in H%#L does'nt the "capture card" do the job it's supposed to? What good is silent movies. This is not the 30's, it's the year 2004. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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Minion:
Being new at this I misspoke. The captured video that I get using the Windows Media Center software, when I treat a VHS tape as if I am recording a TV program, is playable on Windows Media Player. I mistakenly thought it was a Real Media player and thus said Real Media format. Is there a simple way to convert the Windows Media format to a CD rather than a DVD? I just copied the Windows Media file to a CD as a data file thinking it would play on other's PCs but it only seems to play on mine. They get an error message about some coding (DAAA?) that is missing. Downloading the latest version of Windows Media Player still got that message. I was trying that as a temporary shortcut but I'd like to be able to put these short clips of 8 minutes or so on a cheap CDR as it was only 425 MB in size. Any suggestions? Or do I bite the bullet and just use more expensive DVDRs?
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Minion
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4. April 2004 @ 18:05 |
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Well the WMV format is Just a step above the Real Media Format and is Not a Very High Quality Format, and that error you are getting is probably refering to "DRM" (Digital Rights Management) which is a Form of Copy Protection..I don"t know why Captured Files would be Copy protected But they seem to be fore some reason....If you Want to make Quality SVCD"s or DVD"s you can to capture to a High Resolution High Quality Format Like a Low Compression AVI format or Mpeg2 which is the Same Format that is used to Create SVCD"s and DVD"s...You do not want to Convert Windows Media Files to Mpeg2 for SVCD or DVD because the Quality will be Total Crap...Try useing a Capture Program that Captures directly to DVD Mpeg2 or SVCD Mpeg2 (WinDVR 3.0)and then you can author the Captured Files Directly to CD-R or DVD-R useing a SVCD/DVD Authoring Program...The Best way to Make Quality Movies is to Capture them too the Best Quality Possible In the First Place,and allways Capture at the Same or Larger resolution as your Target Format Meaning if you want to make a DVD you Must Capture at 720+480/576-PAL and at 25fps-PAL or 29.976fps NTSC, If you capture at a Lower Resolution then that means your captured Files will need to be resized and Re-encoded which Totally ruins the Quality...So don"t use the Microsoft software to Capture with because the Microsoft Media Center and Windows Movie Maker are just Vehicles for Microsoft to Push there Crappy Windows Media Format on everyone andf the Windows media Format is absolutly Useless if you are Planning on Makeing a VCD/SVCD/DVD out of it...
Billjr: you do not need to get a New Sound Card you just have to use Capture software that Can compensate for the Latency between your Capture Card and your Sound Card...Most Good Capture software can do this as Long as the Latency isn"t too bad, Or you can get a Capture device that also captures the audio and the Video useing the same device Like the Canopus ADVC-100 or the Canopus ACEDVio....Cheers
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4. April 2004 @ 22:41 |
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What are some good software programs that would allow me to capture from VHS tape to MPEG2? I presume I'd still use a VCR to play the tape into my PC using the audio and video jacks I'm now using with the VCR.
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Minion
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4. April 2004 @ 23:54 |
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Well for Capture Quality the One I mentioned above is probably the Best (Intervideo WinDVR 3.0) But you need to have a Fairly fast PC to Capture at Full DVD Resolution and Quality, At least a 2.0ghz PC is needed, Other Fairly high quality Mpeg2 Capture programs are "Cyberlink PowerProducer 2.0" and "Cyberlink PowerDirector 3.0".....
You would achieve the Best Quality captureing to AVI useing something like the HuffYUV codec and then encodeing the captured file to Mpeg2 useing a High Quality encoder but this Method takes Longer and there are more steps so more things can go wrong and you need about 500mb per minute of Captured AVI file so going Mpeg2 is probably best....Cheers
PS: if you want to get Cheap DVD-R"s you might try looking on e-bay as you can get them for as Low as 0.60c each if you buy 100 Plus shipping...
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5. April 2004 @ 07:06 |
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Minion:
Thanks. The Sony VAIO system I have has a 3.2 GHz processor so I should be set. However, you make a good point - why be concerned about the cost of a DVD since the prices are coming down. I also saw a stack of 50 DVDRs on sale at OfficeMax for $30 after rebate which would also be 60 cents each. I doubt I'd be creating enough DVDs to recoup the cost of software that would copy to CDRs?
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Thought you all might be interested - I found Cyberlink PowerDirector 3.0 available for only $9.99 from SoftwareOutlet.com. For that price, I ordered it.
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Minion,
Thanks for the help. I'm trying to use Ulead's DVD Movie Factory 2.5, because it came with the Winfast TV 2000 XP deluxe card I bought. I capture video, but when I play it back I get no sound. I've checked the cabling twice and it is correct. The sound plays through my speakers when the capture is running, but as I said nothing on play back. Hav'nt tried to burn anything yet because of this. Will different software
help me do you think? Thanks again.
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What it sounds Like to me is that you do not have the "Line In" set as the audio Recording Port in the Windows Settings....To set up Windows to record from the Proper Audio Port you right click the Volume Icon in your taskbar and go to "Open Volume Controll" and then go to "options" to "Properties" and then click the box next to "Recording" and below than Make sure that you have a Check Mark in the Box next to "Line In" and then click "OK" now Click the "Select" Box under "Line In" and then adjust the Recording Volume to about 75% and that is it ,you have just configured Windows to Capture audio from the Line in Port on your Sound Card...You also have to make sure that the Line In is selected in the Capture software as the audio recording Port.....I hope this helps...Cheers
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6. April 2004 @ 17:58 |
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Minion,
I don't have a "Line in". I have:Modem #1 Line record,
Modem #1 handset record, NVIDIA[R] nForce[TM]Audio.
These are listed under Sounds and Multimedia-Audio-
Sound recording, preferred device. I have Modem#1 Line
Record selected.....No sound. But thanks anyway. Any other ideas? Thanks Again.
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Minion
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7. April 2004 @ 12:34 |
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So were do you Plug the audio into on your PC???
Generally speaking you are Supposed to Plug the Video Output from your VCR to your Capture Card and the Audio Output from the VCR to the Audio Input on your Sound Card and that Input on your sound Card is the recording source in your Audio properties...
The only other setup I can think of woul;d be if your Capture card also recorded the audio but this is very rare and from what I know of your device it doesn"t have that feature....??
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7. April 2004 @ 18:32 |
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Minion said:
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Well the WMV format is Just a step above the Real Media Format and is Not a Very High Quality Format, and that error you are getting is probably refering to "DRM" (Digital Rights Management) which is a Form of Copy Protection..I don"t know why Captured Files would be Copy protected But they seem to be fore some reason....
It's because he's running the XP Media Center - that's what's adding the DRM. If you don't run the MC and just use MS's WMV 9 encoder, you won't have any DRM problems.
Also, have you even used WMV 9? If not, don't knock it until you try it. It produces amazing quality for the file sizes. The files may be playable only on PCs, but how else could you fit 25 hours of video on a single DVD in acceptable quality? When used for its intended purposes (usually streaming video) WMV 9 is a fantastic codec.
There are a lot of things you can put down MS for, but I don't think the quality of their codecs is one of them. Remember that the first version of Divx was just a hacked MS codec.
Oh, and Minion? No offense, but I can't be the only one who finds your posts distracting and difficult to read through. Is your SHIFT key broken? If not, you may find a guide like this useful:
http://library.thinkquest.org/2947/capitalization.html
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Oh, and Minion? No offense, but I can't be the only one who finds your posts distracting and difficult to read through.:Quote:
Actually you you are the Only person to ever mention this ...I do know I have a tendancy to over explain things and run on a bit but that is because I hate haveing to repeat myself, and I like shareing the things I have learned in my years in the Buisiness..(I don"t know what you mean by my shift key being broken??)
And yes I have Tried the WMV Format, I wouldn"t have said anything if I hadn"t tried it...
Generally Poeple on this Forum are More Concerned about Quality Over File size and since most poeple are makeing DVD"s that they can Play on there DVD Player and not on there PC.. So WMV not the Optimal format for high Quality Capture when the file has to be further compressed to Mpeg2....
I agree that For the File Size WMV is the best Compression format and If More poeple had DVD Players that supported the HighMat Format I would recomend it for DVD Creation.....Cheers
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7. April 2004 @ 23:48 |
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HI All, I'm new to this forum so hope I'm not out of line.
Firstly I am a beginner with computers and have no IT experience.
SO!!! here is my dilema:- My wife and I want a copy of daughter and son-in-laws wedding video, problem is we don't have a VCR, only DVD. I don't want to have to buy software as I would have no idea how to go about it.
We live in St Clair NSW near Penrith, is there a business close by that performs capturing VHS to DVD for a fee?
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8. April 2004 @ 00:43 |
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Hi, Minion...let me express my admiration for your experiance in this subject and let me also ask a qustinon:
I want to capture 2hrs movie from VCR. My capture card allows me to capture only in two modes either 720x576 or 352x288. The later one is to small for me, I want the final result to be at least 480x360, so I used the 720x576.
I have Celeron 2.4 GHz but only 10GB HDD space. I tried to use Huffyuv and VirtualVCR as you advised in some previous message but the output is way too large (about 9MB/s, i.e. I would need 63GB for the whole movie!). What else would you advise?
Would the PicMJPEG codec solve the problem and give me the compression that I need, i.e. max 1.4MB/s? Or should I use MPEG-2 insted? If I want to use MPEG-2, can I get it somwhere as a codec for VirtualVCR (which otherwise I like a lot...) or do I have to use completely another software? What would be the best and possibly free/shareware solution for capturing directly to MPEG-2? Or would you rather recommend to look for some other, completely different codec that would give me the results that I need?
Any help from anyone is highly appreciated. Good luck in the future and nice greetings from Prague.))
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8. April 2004 @ 01:06 |
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Minion said:
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Actually you you are the Only person to ever mention this ...I do know I have a tendancy to over explain things and run on a bit but that is because I hate haveing to repeat myself, and I like shareing the things I have learned in my years in the Buisiness..(I don"t know what you mean by my shift key being broken??)
I didn't mean that what you were saying was difficult to understand so much as that your seemingly completely random capitalization of words that shouldn't be capitalized is distracting. Sorry if I was unclear.
dahjee: Yes, MJPEG should suit your needs.
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8. April 2004 @ 02:47 |
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Do you think that at the res of 720x576 and bitrate of 1 - 1.4 MB/s (i.e. 8 - 11 Mbib/s) will M-JPEG still provide better results than MPEG-2? I guess the M-JPEG compression will have to be set high which could result in quite a low quality, am I not right? But I'll definitelly give the M-JPEG codec a try tonight.
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8. April 2004 @ 02:52 |
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Folks, could anyone recommend me a freeware/shareware program that is able capture to MPEG-2?
Or alternativelly, is there any codec that implements MPEG-2? (Then I could use VirtualVCR or VirtualDub to do the capturing).
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8. April 2004 @ 15:51 |
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Minion,
Thanks for the reply. I have'nt been around for a couple of days, so I'm replying late it seems. But,
the "line in" I said I did'nt have, was in the choice for the Audio recording."I don't have a "Line in". I have:Modem #1 Line record,
Modem #1 handset record, NVIDIA[R] nForce[TM]Audio.
These are listed under Sounds and Multimedia-Audio-
Sound recording, preferred device. I have Modem#1 Line
Record selected.....No sound. " I have a line in on the on board sound connectors, which is connected to the "line out" on the capture card as per the instruction booklet. I guess the sound is supposed to go from the SVideo cable through the c/card to the onboard sound, then to the HDD. I guess. Any ideas?
Thanks again
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8. April 2004 @ 17:19 |
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Well generally speaking the Audio either Goes into your Capture Card and then out from the Capture card to the Sound Card and it is the Sound Card that actually records the audio ,In a Lot of Cases it is Better to Not use the Input on the Cap Card and just go directly into the Sound Card..If your Sound Card has a "Line IN" this is the Port you should be recording with, and if you do have a Line in on your Sound Card then the Must be a Option in the Windows settings to select that Port as the Port to record the audio...I do not think you are Looking in the Right Place because the Setting I described are NOT in the "Sounds & Multimedia" settings, they are exactly were I told you they were..
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I have a line in on the on board sound connectors, which is connected to the "line out" on the capture card as per the instruction booklet
That is the Port you should be chooseing in the Audio Properties and if you followed my instructions you should have seen the Option to choose this as the Windows Recording Port....
PS: Try not plugging the audio into the Cap Card and then to the Sound Card ,Try it Just with the audio going directly into the Sound Cards "Line In" port but of cource you have to make sure you have selected the "line In" ans the recording Input...
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9. April 2004 @ 14:37 |
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Minion:
I made my first CD using PowerDirector 3.0 version DE that I bought on the internet for $9.99. It took me a while to figure out how to use it and I'm still only 10% there. I could not figure out how to capture from my VCR in a better format than Windows Player so I had to take the file that I previously captured that way and convert it to MPEG. Then my first cut wouldn't play on anything and only showed a miniature screen on some backround. I went back found something like menu that I unchecked and then it saved so it can be shown full screen.
PowerDirector is supposed to automatically detect capture devices but all it did was show audio only for a microphone that I don't have connected. I'd like to save directly from my VCR to get the best picture but so far, this is my only option.
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9. April 2004 @ 15:36 |
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Hi, Well let me install the program and then I will figure out for you how to capture in Mpeg2 format...
As for your audio only showing "Microphone" I think this is because you do not have the "Line in" selected as a Capture Port in your Windows Settings...
To make sure that Windows Knows that you want to use the Line In as the Capture Input you have to do this:
#1)Right click the volume icon in your Taskbar and go to "Open Volume Controll"...
#2)Now click "Options" and select "Properties"...
#3)Make sure your sound card is selected next to "Mixer Device"...
#4)Now click the box next to "Recording"...
#5)Now you will see a list of available input ports that windows supports, you should also notice that only the Microphone has a check mark next to it..So put a check mark next to "Line In" and then click "OK" at the Bottom...
#6)You will now see couple volume controlls, one for the "Microphone" and one for the "Line In" and there is a "Select" box at the bottom of each one so put a check in the Box next to "Select" in the "Line In" Volume Controll, You should also set the "Line In" Volume to about 75%....
Now just click them off in the Corner and start Power director and you will be able to select the "Line In" as the audio port......
So I will have to get back to you a Little later about how to select Mpeg2 as your Recording format because I do not have it installed at this moment because I do most of my Mpeg Capture with WinDVR 3.0 because it has better quality and uses less CPU and the Version I have lets me capture Dolby AC3 audio.....
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