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DVD Rebuilder with CCE Basic Vs. DVD Shrink
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27. July 2004 @ 22:17 |
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When one looks at the history of transcoder development, it is easy to understand why it was originally segmented.
Briefly, you had to use a number of different freeware tools to make a backup. Then came DVDXCopy which simplified the process, but it was 2 discs for a DVD-9. And you know 321 paid AD for advertising, and that is likely why its own room. Then came DVD2One, with 1 disc for a DVD-9. And they likely did some advertising.
And then the floodgates opened. A lot of programs could have been given their own rooms, but weren't. I think this was a good idea, and is actually a precedent now. I'm beginning to see that this shouldn't change.
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27. July 2004 @ 22:22 |
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Doc409
Was that you or someone else last night who used Decrypter to rip for Shrink. Also touting Decrypter to be a test tool for finding read errors, which it does. The quick analysis of Shrink will also show problems. Also, I've gotten pixel probs either way I check (log with Decrypter or analysis with Shrink). A deep buffing tool is the best route to go with the scratched discs (gets the whole disc, so no worries over spots, unless they're really bad and those are obvious to the eye).
I buy a scratched item especially when it is of a video out of production. I find DVDInfoPro good for checking disk errors as well as seeing which company manufactured the discs I'm using. Big rip off going on as you may know.
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27. July 2004 @ 22:36 |
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brobear, it was me. You made the comment that you didn't understand why some people use Decrypter to rip before going to Shrink.
I said that I often buy used DVD's, and Decrypter was good for showing read errors, but that Smartripper actually gave data that pointed to the location on the disc that needed polishing.
I know Shrink will tell you if you have an error, but if it is specific about the location, I don't know how to use that part yet.
What are you using for a deep buffing tool? I have this GameDr thing that has a crank handle with a polishing wheel, but it takes a long time. Also, I will have to check out DVDInfoPro. I understand it's good for other things also.
Edit. What do you mean by "big ripoff" going on? Are there counterfeit discs now?
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27. July 2004 @ 23:08 |
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The DVDInfoPro is a good free tool that does several things well. I would advise giving it a try.
Not counterfeit, just ripping the consumer off. The brands are sometimes selling their name and giving the customer an inferior product.
I'll go with 2 different manufacturing companies that make DVD disks. CMC Magnetics and Ricoh. Ricoh good, CMC not so good. Verbatim, Imation, Memorex, and Maxell (all) were selling Ricoh manufactured disks with the same numbers. I checked with DVDInfoPro and DVDIdentifier. If you ever noticed, there is a price discrepancy between these brands. Verbatim usually sticks with the better manufacturers. However my last batch, luckily small, of Memorex was by CMC. Got lulled by the better ones they had been selling.
So, the rip off is that you can overpay for the same disc under a different brand name. You can also get ripped off because the good discs you bought from a brand can turn out not to be the same on your next purchase. See how easy it is to get ripped off?
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27. July 2004 @ 23:13 |
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I see what you mean. Very few media manufacturers, but a lot of companies brand-naming the media as their own. You gotta be careful.
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27. July 2004 @ 23:51 |
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Doc, Memorex is notorious for labeling them as their own. You also have to remember even when buying an excellent brand like Riteks to make sure they are branded cos there's imposters on that end too.
If you don't have DVD infopro, get it. It does more than just media info,you can compare ISO folders, check your drives,media for read errors, etc. A great little tool that my buddy Scuba Pete turned me on to, and the ads aren't annoying like some(a lot) of freebies are.
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27. July 2004 @ 23:59 |
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I thought you had gone to bed!!! Or are you just up early?
Thanks. I've got a link here for DVDInfoPro, so I'll get the dl.
I've got to ask about ISO's. I've gotten by using file mode with everything. Maybe I did use ISO's, but I didn't know it. I aguess what I'm wondering is, what is special about ISO's? Is it something I need to learn about? If this requires a long explanation, maybe referring me to a link or something might be better?
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28. July 2004 @ 01:27 |
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Hey Doc, been burnin'. Checking in between projects. I prefer file mode in Decrypter also but as you know, it can only burn ISO files( I never burn with decrypter, so no biggie).
ISO contains the DVD's entire contents(tracks,structure, etc)which have to be burned to see them. They can be sent to other people who can also use them to burn the DVD. Hope that helps, I'm off to bed.
PS-Don't forget about IFO files. LOL
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28. July 2004 @ 09:32 |
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Thx. I never tried to burn an ISO with Decrypter. Also, as I understand it, in order to play an ISO file from the HD, it has to be mounted as a virtual drive. Sounds like a lot of extra steps.
I did get some good burns from files ripped in IFO mode, though. Since RB-CCE ... I haven't done a whole lot of new experimenting. I'm thinking about saving my shekels for more hardware to do an RB Farm - and get the encoding time down.
BTW, I don't ahve the #0003 error anymore. I've done some serious editing, and it still goes through. I think the Remake upgrade really did take care of it. Didn't make any changes to the system, either.
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28. July 2004 @ 09:39 |
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You are correct, I think Daemon tool can do this.
I still say CCE 2.67 has something to do with it. Maybe not but I ain't changing back to 2.69, haven't got the errors since I switched and that was before 2 DVDRemake updates..
Either way if it ain't broke......
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28. July 2004 @ 09:57 |
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28. July 2004 @ 10:11 |
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If it ain't broke...
I started out with 2.67 because of that very post!!! Still got the #0003, which was frustrating. As you know, I tried a lot of things to narrow down the source. Remake files went through Shrink OK. Non-editd Remake files went through RB-CCE OK. But edited Remake files failed right at the beginning of the 3rd/Rebuilder stage. Then Remake released 2 new versions back-to-back, and no more problems. Coincidence? BTW, these releases happened after your post.
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28. July 2004 @ 10:24 |
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I don't think this guy even used Remake, just RB/CCE so it wouldn't have anything to do with his post as far as remake is concerned, only CCE 2.67. With me I definitely stopped the errors by switching to 2.67 before the last 2 remake updates.
I guess as long as they are working it doesn't really matter, I'm just damn curious about it. Don't forget there is a rebuilder update thrown in the mix also. LOL
BTW, remake worked in all other apps I used it with too, which is why I thought the problem might lie elsewhere.
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This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 28. July 2004 @ 10:25
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28. July 2004 @ 10:29 |
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Yeah...I forgot about .56b.
vurbal has been helping someone that ended up with the #0003 problem after he got things installed. This error is a hard one to figure. At least I was able to put regular files through it without a problem.
I sure hope it is behind me.
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28. July 2004 @ 10:38 |
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"Catch Me If You Can" was out of the cooker when I got up this morning. I burned as usual, but got freezing at the end w/G04, and then with a RW. I decided to just run the Decrypter files through to see what happens. This is the first time I haven't had a perfect burn coming out of CCE.
I also ran the Decrypted files through 3.2, and got a good RW burn, so I'm fairly confident the ripped files are OK. It might just be I did something during the Remake process that corrupted those files. We'll see.
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28. July 2004 @ 11:08 |
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I guess as long as they are working it doesn't really matter Spoke too soon?
I had one F--- up with RB/CCE since fixing it and it was in the Butterfly Effect with remake. Redid it and it turned out fine. It was the 1st time I had made a back up with that infinifilm feature.
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28. July 2004 @ 11:23 |
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OK...what's Infinifilm .. and what did you do to make it work? I just did BE part 1. I used 3.2 beta for part 2 right before the final was released. I do think I used CCE for part one and didn't have a problem. I usually note on the hub what process I used, but didn't do it this time.
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28. July 2004 @ 11:55 |
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Well, as you probably got the post, Shrink has its own section. What's the first question?
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28. July 2004 @ 11:57 |
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Infinifilm throws up little production facts, deleted scenes, commentary, etc. as you're watching the film. You click on it with your remote as the movie plays and you get all this stuff. Makes your files quite a bit longer. It was only on the director's cut. Not the theatrical version. The one I bought was a flipper and had both. Endings were totally different,btw. I ended up making mine a 2-disc backup because it was too long, even for RB/CCE.
Rush Hour 2 also has the infinifilm feature, I think it is becoming more popular.
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28. July 2004 @ 12:25 |
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Doc, 1st question? There's already 34 pages of shrink related questions! I definitely think this will help shrink users and thinning out DVD-r newbies forum.
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28. July 2004 @ 12:40 |
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No doubt it will do that ... and has already started. This part is a good thing for the near term. The main concern is what could happen over the long term? Sort of like the treatment that kills the patient. I guess if the patient survives here, it was the proper treatment.
The thing is no one knows the future. But there was some history that said it could be a bad move. But it's a done-deal now, and I am certainly not going to "lament" over the change. ...just go with the flow. :)
And just to clarify ... I don't think you were "wrong" in your decision or your assessment. I saw both sides, and was almost 50-50 on it. I just tended toward the conservative approach.
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28. July 2004 @ 18:32 |
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Update. I was able to get Catch Me If You Can to go through this time. I do like that CCE quality.
About Infinifilm. Does RB deal with that OK. It's not like angles or INLV's, is it?
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28. July 2004 @ 18:53 |
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Noticed you mentioned emulators and ISO. Easy as falling down. You are a fan of DVD Decrypter, just switch to ISO Read in the Mode selection. You get one big ISO and an MDS. Some progs use the MDS for setup. The big ISO is what you mount in an emulator. DVD Shrink can pick them up with the open disc image under Files or useing the Open Disc when ISO is mounted in an emulator. BTW, the freebie Daemon is a good choice. Surprised you didn't read about ISO in the Decrypter guide. ISO loaded in an emulator can be used by just about all recording software. In fact, I haven't met the prog that will read from a physical disc that won't read ISO with an emulator. ISO on the HD is faster than a ROM. I've been known to rip several discs to HD at once and then load the ISOs to an emulator and record one after the other. I've got an extra 250GB HD in case you're wondering.
As far as Shrink having its own section, I am ambivalent. There are good and bad aspects. Hope it doesn't become more a cult following. It is good software, but there is better as well as worse (definitely not better at the same cost). I don't see any sections for WinDVD software or some of the other major brands (good or bad).
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28. July 2004 @ 19:30 |
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About the Shrink section, I was also ambivalent, especially once I considered the points of your argument. Time will tell...
I have some Shrink results gathering that aren't too flattering for the higher compressions. I'm not seeing the benefits of deep analysis vs. the time factor or the end quality. I had a 6.4 Gig in the Shrink cooker for 2-1/2 hours. Might as well gone to CCE. I'm thinking I will wait a couple of weeks, and if someone hasn't started a thread about it, I might, and take the heat.
Thanks for the explanation about ISO's. I started doing DVD's right when DVDXCopy came out. And then I got DVD2One, and dropped out of the AD forum. When I returned, I found Shrink and Decrypter ... and File mode was the first mode I tried, and so I stayed with it. Like big-O says, if it ain't broke... ...So, I never bothered to try the ISO route, but the curiosity remained. I also went back a bit in the forum and read some discussions about ISO v. IFO v. File. It just didn't seem like a route I needed to take to get better quality. However, when there are discussions about ISO files, I sense that there is something that those who go that route have a certain appreciation for, that those of us who don't use ISO's, don't have? I think I'll take the time to run through the process and maybe it will begin to make sense.
BTW, the PM. RE: Mason-Dixon? :)
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28. July 2004 @ 19:51 |
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My first rip is to an ISO so it helps me keep track of the source. I use Alcohol 120 to keep the images in front of me and to mount them.
From there I usually do DVDremake then CCE if the movie still needs compression. Then finish with Shrink to check for size and extra audio tracks and turn it to an iso again at the same time.
Then I'll mount it, view it then if happy I'll burn it with Alcohol.
Start ISO. Finish ISO.
After the finished DVD is watched completely I will loose the ISOs.
My fast version is Rebuilder one click with Anydvd then Nero straight from the files.
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