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DVD Rebuilder with CCE Basic Vs. DVD Shrink
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24. July 2004 @ 10:40 |
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jdobbs, by 3rd party, could you possibly be referring to DVDremake? As good as RB is, anytime you can reduce your file size it has to improve the outcome and remake works so well with RB/CCE.
The only time I ever got errors 0003 or 0004 was when I used DRM before going into RB/CCE. However, since I changed to CCE 2.67 from 2.69 I haven't had the problem. There must be some correlation.
Others have done the same thing with the same results. This is the 1st I've heard of the avisynth problem. I do have v 2.5.4, thanx for the tip, I'll leave things status quo.
I've had one error since switching to 2.67 and that was my fault in remake. Coincidence?
While I don't use Rebuilder for everything, any movie over 2 1/2 hours it's my main "thang". It is without a doubt the best software there is (or at least that I know of) for reducing large files down to 4.36 DVD.
Thank you for such a fine product! BTW, here at AD we are converting more and more to it's advantage.
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jdobbs
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24. July 2004 @ 11:17 |
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Would you give an example of a 3rd party software being run against the source? Are you saying using the file for another transcoder would somehow damage it for use with RB/CCE?
Only if the preprocessing removes video without correcting the timing headers.
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24. July 2004 @ 11:20 |
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Thank you for such a fine product! BTW, here at AD we are converting more and more to it's advantage.
There's still lots to do. Glad you're getting some good use out of it.
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24. July 2004 @ 20:02 |
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The main problem was never source related but a difference in the way rebuilder handles edited files.
Other programs could make a DVD from DVDremake output but DVDrebuilder could not. It would seem to happen sometimes on films with more agressive menus and extras.
I have found some changes in procedure and work arounds for the errors I have received. So far so good.
Removing menus referencing the removed extras from the main movie title set was the latest.
It just means I can get the size down for best quality and keep the menus on the larger DVDs.
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25. July 2004 @ 16:11 |
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I like DVD Shrink 3.2 (Just finished backing up LOTR 3 with it) but, I still think that DVD-RB/CCE gives better results, maybe if DVD Shrink's author makes it possible to encode w. CCE then, it may get an edge over DVD-RB but, until you can use CCE with Shrink, RB will remain King of 1-click encoders.
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25. July 2004 @ 16:11 |
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Sorry that i have 3 posts in a row, my web browser refreshed it self twice when it was sending my reply.
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25. July 2004 @ 16:11 |
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26. July 2004 @ 09:24 |
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It is sort of a given that CCE outperforms other programs for what it does. Comparing DVD Shrink with CCE is like comparing apples and oranges. Shrink is a good program that is easy to learn and user friendly. CCE requires a steeper learning curve and even with rebuilder is no where as easy to use as Shrink.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen the results of RB/CCE and the quality is very good. There is a time and effort input for that quality.
DVD Shrink, in 3.2 with quality settings checked and deep analysis running, takes more time than the older versions. It still rips the program and automatically sets the burn. It can still function as a ripper alone, sending files or an ISO image to HD.
I wonder where this comparison of these 2 programs can really go. Quality of video goes to RB/CCE. More problems can be associated with RB/CCE, as it is still beta. Ease of function across the recording processes goes to Shrink. And the price of Shrink when taken as a factor is no contest. This sort of sums it up, so where is the comparison to be made? Quality: RB/CCE ; Ease and Sure Functionality: DVD Shrink
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26. July 2004 @ 09:28 |
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Ah! yes but once you get it set up properly it becomes a one click operation.
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26. July 2004 @ 09:55 |
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I pretty much know only what I've read. My personal experience with RB/CCE is ongoing. I do notice that one has to rip the files for use and once the files are prepared imported into the program. Once the files are encoded, then they have to be sent to another program for burning. Yes, the process for encoding becomes a one-button process once everything is set up.
And when set up and working properly, RB/CCE is easy to use. No dispute.
And when Shrink is set up properly, everything is done within the one program, even though it uses an external burner. That should be an option they attach to the finished RB, automatic burning with the program of choice.
What I was saying is these programs are different enough, they don't fall into an easy category for comparison. They fill a different niche in the DVD hobby.
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26. July 2004 @ 10:14 |
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open DVDrebuilder and then go to the top tool bar and select mode. Go down the list until you come to one click mode and check that. Now all you have to do after you've ripped the file is to load into DVDrebuilder and then click transcode and it'll go through the entire process without any need for your attention. After that just burn it and your done.
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26. July 2004 @ 10:17 |
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In my windy sort of way, wasn't that what I said? That the program is easy to encode with once set up.
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26. July 2004 @ 10:21 |
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Yes, I just thought I'd provide the steps in case someone should read our post.
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26. July 2004 @ 10:27 |
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Good idea, we don't want to confuse anyone.
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27. July 2004 @ 12:14 |
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Hey guys, good to be back.
brobear, good idea to include auto burning with rebuilder, but really it's not to much hassle to open Nero's burn express and just add the entire rebuilder folder and hit burn. Done in 10 minutes.
Soph, I see you are keeping the threads running smoothly, good idea on a thread to deal with RB/CCE problems.
PS- just saw a post in Doom 9 stating the new shrink blew RB/CCE out of the water on LOTR-ROTK. I'm as happy as anyone over the new shrink's quality and I especially love the retention of menu fuctionality with editing, but come on! I believe objective testing went out the window on this one. DUH!
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27. July 2004 @ 12:25 |
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Hey Bigo
I have to admit, and I had to look twice but :-
I did a comparative test with LOTR Two towers on both CCB/RB & IC8 and the results, to me, looked very very similar. This is an isolated example for me as CCE/RB usually destroys the opposition EASILY.
I personally can't believe the ROTK results (from DOOM9) can be taken at all seriously. Guess theres a load of people testing their results on smaller TV's & dodgy monitors out there!
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27. July 2004 @ 12:39 |
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You might want to go back and read the responses to the suggestion that DVD Shrink blew DVD-RB/CCE out of the water. I'm glad I didn't make it, I've stirred enough hornets nests already and I wouldn't want the backlash that will follow that one.
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27. July 2004 @ 12:41 |
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Sophocles...do you have a link to this by any chance?
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27. July 2004 @ 12:47 |
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Hey "m8",
how goes it? For me you still have to go a long way to beat IC 8(I believe you turned me on to that, didn't ya? heh heh)
Especially since I have started using DVDRemake to edit 1st then go into IC 8 as I never cared for it's re-authoring abilities. Results are indeed close to RB/CCE.
I used to think DVDCopy 2 had it beat just on time constraints alone, but since I now get those damn white pixels it has now become a crap shoot. I think Sophocles suggestion to only use it only on newer movies may be the key to that problem, cos when it works the quality is definitely there and in 30-45 minutes!
In the end tho, if it's 2 1/2 hours plus, RB/CCE is the app for me.
PS- I like your use of the term "dodgy" lol
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27. July 2004 @ 12:55 |
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27. July 2004 @ 13:02 |
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Thanks. I'm getting CCE time with 3.2, but without the results. Maybe I downloaded the wrong 3.2?
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27. July 2004 @ 13:02 |
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Bigo
Going well here. Started the new job today, so I wont be on as much in future!. I intend to "welly up the readies" for a new pc soon, and fully intend to give Intervideo another go. That pixellation problem got the better of me, you know. I am off to bed now, gotta be up at 5.30am!!). Did you ever get to try the "hidden settings editor" with IC8?. You may want to give a try, knowing your legendary curiosity. It can improve picture quality even further!!.
http://213.83.55.226/showthread.php?s=400d44e92bbc51d51f9f4dfe9fead2ed&t=36498
Sophocles. I intend to "not get involved" if a "DVDshrnk 3.2 VS CCE/RB" debate starts. All those "in the know" here at AD fully appreciate that the CCE encoding engine will always beat the Shrink Transcoder on picture quality. Infact I, like yourself, am using CCE exclusively at the moment.
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27. July 2004 @ 13:04 |
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I never read any responses that suggested that DVD Shrink 3.2 has bested CCE. Some of the statements sort of alluded to it, but none that I read came out and clearly stated it.
They sure came down on DVD2one 1.5 and IC7/8 but I not so sure that they're right,I haven't done the comparison, but such a comparison was expected. I've found that some people get way too involved in there transoders. To have a discussion with them about it is almost like discussing politics and religion. Pointless!
Here's the link.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=436c421a1c300e8890bdbdc63022657d&threadid=80279&perpage=20&pagenumber=3
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27. July 2004 @ 13:11 |
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I've found that some people get way too involved in there transoders. To have a discussion with them about it is almost like discussing politics and religion. Pointless!
Ahmen!!
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27. July 2004 @ 13:13 |
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Thanks for the link, Sophocles. You hit the nail on the head. People have embraced Shrink as they would a belief system. I just hope they keep this brand of fanaticism "over there."
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