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17. September 2004 @ 07:57 |
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Wrong direction Flash.
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Dave22
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17. September 2004 @ 08:46 |
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What I was saying flash is just cause a company like datasafe get a few bad disks they should not be branded. from what I gather they use quite a few manufacturers so just cause they may have used an31 on one of there disk. it dont mean there Ritek gear is going to be to the same bad quality.
Hence ya buy a car and just cause it blows up dont mean they will all blow up. no one is perfect.
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MrYang
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20. September 2004 @ 00:35 |
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from what I gather they use quite a few manufacturers
Dave, you have at last hit the nail on the head, using several different suppliers leads to inconsistent quality issues and the customer cannot rely on receiving the same disc each time ... QED if a brand does jump around different discs then its never going to be able to keep a good reputation!!
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jase
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20. September 2004 @ 01:59 |
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Problem is there seem to be far too many so-called "dodgy batches" of certain brands for my liking. I find it hard to believe that manufacturers could be so incompetent -- especially when some of said bad discs have half the dye layer missing, corrupted reflective surface, fingerprints and scratches all over them and even, in one case, lacking in the -R pre-lead required for the disc to even be recognised.
As for Ford, they used to be pretty poor IMO, I'll give you that, but since they started using the (Yamaha-engineered) Zetec engines they've become a hell of a sight better....
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MrYang
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20. September 2004 @ 02:30 |
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Yes your right - loads of inconsistency in the quality, even from the best factories... but there are two additional markets which these lesser quality discs come from -
When the factories have lesser grade media produced (anything from B to F grades) they sell it on to far eastern traders and it is bought up by some of the larger players and reprinted so that no customer truly knows what they are getting.
Then there is the un-licenced discs which are really cheap (I was recently offered 4x DVD-R without licence for £0.09)... personally I never ever buy the un-licenced product but obviously it is ending up somewhere!!!
The long term data storage ability of both types of media will be questionable but people only seem to care that it records and plays back on a range of players... not that its wont be playing back on anything after a few months.
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jase
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20. September 2004 @ 03:17 |
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I think we know where the "Budget" 9p o1nes are going, eh? :)
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20. September 2004 @ 03:19 |
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Where?....
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MrYang
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20. September 2004 @ 03:37 |
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yes and certain companies continue to not pay the royalties and licence fee to Philips, but with no control over this they continue to get away with it.
Dave22, thought you were going to tell us all who you are and who you work for if your staying on the thread??
A supplier of mine said something interesting to me today - "Ritek 8x is not as good as Ritek had hoped and there are more issues with the compatibility compared to the CMC products" - any thoughts??
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20. September 2004 @ 08:39 |
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people only seem to care that it records and plays back on a range of players... not that its wont be playing back on anything after a few months.
Truer words have never been spoken.
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Dave22
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20. September 2004 @ 08:50 |
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Hi Mr Yang.
Who I am is of little interest. I know of you and you think you know of me. I like this forum it is interesting to watch and to see what poeple say.
And as for G05 what can you say it sucks its about as stable as custard. It burns at x4 or x8 depending on the weather. and as for CMC that again depends were it is made.
If it is made in asia it seems to be fine but if it is made by MBI well it is about as good as Nack*d G**k Media.
I will carry on watching and learning :.)
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StinHambo
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20. September 2004 @ 09:12 |
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Dave22, what are your recommendations for 8x media?
Maybe the Verbatim is the best bet these days?
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Dave22
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20. September 2004 @ 09:36 |
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StinHambo
Are you fishing ????????.
You are in the industry what do you think. you will know that the majority of Verb is know made by CMC and MBI using the MCC stamper as CMC bought the majority of MCC's Lines when they sold up to go into TFT technology.
What do you think
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20. September 2004 @ 09:43 |
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Fishing moi?? no....
I just asked what you thought the best 8x media was in your opinion...
PS. Taiyo Yuden doesn't count!
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jase
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20. September 2004 @ 10:45 |
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and as for CMC that again depends were it is made.
If it is made in asia it seems to be fine but if it is made by MBI well it is about as good as Nack*d G**k Media.
Hold on.
CMC Media is not, ever, made by MBI. Two entirely separate companies.
If you meant MCC, well, I must disagree with you actually. In my experience MBI manufactures better media than CMC -- and that includes the MCC-dyetype stuff.
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20. September 2004 @ 10:56 |
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you will know that the majority of Verb is know made by CMC and MBI using the MCC stamper as CMC bought the majority of MCC's Lines when they sold up to go into TFT technology.
Would you be so kind as to provide links to reputable sources (other forum posts not acceptable) with respect to the above assertion.
Thanks in advance.
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Dave22
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20. September 2004 @ 11:03 |
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Yes they are two different company's.
But I would get your fact's right before you start spouting. I said that Verb was made by both CMC and MBI and this is due to the fact that CMC bought the majority of Verbat*ms Lines and continue to make the Verb disk, but when they sub out. And they do sub out like many other company's you will find they use different companys and MBI is one of them.
And if you think MBI media is good well you should love anything that flakes or degrades within a couple of years.
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20. September 2004 @ 11:37 |
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Just a quick question, am i safe with only buying Verbatim, TDK and Imation meaia, because chances are i won't spot fakes coming...
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MrYang
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21. September 2004 @ 00:37 |
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Yes you should be fine buying any decent brand.
On the subject of Verbatim (and I am qualified to tell you - before Dave22 puts his oar in, as I sell more Verbatim CDR and DVD than most in the UK)... Verbatim is made in both factories but you will find that they have their own staff and own lines within those factories therefore they ensure extremely high quality standards for their discs - so just because a particular disc comes out of the same factory doesnt mean its anywhere near as good as the Verbatim.
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jase
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21. September 2004 @ 05:04 |
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Yes they are two different company's.
OK. Pleased you agree.
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But I would get your fact's right before you start spouting. I said that Verb was made by both CMC and MBI and this is due to the fact that CMC bought the majority of Verbat*ms Lines and continue to make the Verb disk, but when they sub out. And they do sub out like many other company's you will find they use different companys and MBI is one of them.
Yes, I realise that. Kindly show me where I was spouting, or where my facts were inaccurate please. On the post I highlighted, you implied that CMC media was made by MBI. I was merely pointing this out as in error, in case anyone got the wrong idea.
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And if you think MBI media is good well you should love anything that flakes or degrades within a couple of years.
As for MBI *vs CMC*, MBI is the one that flakes and doesn't last? Really? Hmmm. Not in my experience. MBI isn't brilliant but it's ahead of CMC which, quite often, makes media (especially CDR media) that is of quite offensively poor quality. MBI is at least consistently mediocre.
The same story follows for the outsourced MCC media. The MBI MCC is generally less variable and better quality than the CMC MCC.
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jase
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21. September 2004 @ 05:10 |
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On the subject of Verbatim (and I am qualified to tell you - before Dave22 puts his oar in, as I sell more Verbatim CDR and DVD than most in the UK)... Verbatim is made in both factories but you will find that they have their own staff and own lines within those factories therefore they ensure extremely high quality standards for their discs - so just because a particular disc comes out of the same factory doesnt mean its anywhere near as good as the Verbatim.
... and just because a disc bears the Verbatim brand (and MCC MID-code) doesn't mean it is the same quality as any other. There are variations in quality between factories, and indeed batches, far more so than the Japanese-produced Mitsubishi media. I receive some discs from a friend in Japan who uses Mitsubishi-branded and manufactured (in Japan) DVD-R media. There is no way the CMC/MBI stuff is as good as the real Mitsubishi. It's good, but it's definitely inferior.
It's something I find depressing about the market in general. The good manufacturers (mainly Japanese) outsource to the lesser, bulk suppliers (mainly Taiwanese) and quality invariably goes down -- but often price does not. There are precious few options now for genuinely excellent quality media. It's not helped by consumers' obsession with "dye-this" and "dye-that". I just wish people would get it into their heads that dye type is not the only variable in media quality!!!
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21. September 2004 @ 06:17 |
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The whole system is mad if you ask me...
Lol i needed to edit that one!!!
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21. September 2004 @ 07:13 |
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Jase I definately agree on what you have said (and especially for variables regarding media quality). Well done!
We all have to have our eyes opened...
Also I agree for CMC CD-R media...Take as an example Datawrite CD-R media...in one word: *RUBBISH*
I would like to hear your opinion about Verbatim CD_R media. Opinions are contradictory here. More specifically how do you value the DataLife Plus CD-R and how the NON Plus ones?
Regards
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jase
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21. September 2004 @ 07:44 |
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I think there's a separate forum for CDR media, but anyway...
IMO the Verbatim DL+ (Super/Metal AZO) is very high quality media. The only problem with it is that some drives don't seem to be able to calibrate it too well, and it won't always work at the rated speed on some writers. I think that's a problem for the design of the burners though (the dye type is a Mitsubishi-special so doesn't necessarily work well with a generic strategy). But in the right burner, it's excellent.
DL (non-plus), hmmm. I've seen some MBI and some CMC Datalife media, and I don't think it's that much better than similar stuff from Memorex or Emtec. It's probably the cream of the crop from MBI/CMC, but that ain't saying much.
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totos
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21. September 2004 @ 08:55 |
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Thanks Jase. Thats what I thought for Verb NON Plus, because of their low prices Ive seen...
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21. September 2004 @ 09:00 |
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Wouldn't know about Datawrite discs as i avoid suspicious brands but Verbatim cd-rs are fine for me... TDK DVD-Rs are the same, no probs yet...
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