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DVDrebuilder CCE, with DVDremake and Other Tools for Beginners
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brobear
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28. January 2005 @ 18:22 |
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Who're you calling a hen, cricket? LOL Have another round my friend...
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RitekRG
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28. January 2005 @ 18:32 |
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brobear -
Re: stmt "When you opened the RB, what did you select and what is selected under Mode and Options and what did you select and put in the setup?
- Sorry to be repetitive, but I mentioned before that I could 'never' access RB .. 'never'. When 'trying' to execute, a warning icon pops-up, mid-Desktop, w/ Run-time Error '5'. Noticed Skins Folder is formed, but that's it. No access to program.
System hard-drive(20GB)Maxtor/7200 D:\ used for Dvd backups; total 13Gbs, Avail. over 11Gbs. C:\ total 7Gbs, Avail near 5Gbs. Model System: Previous CyberMax ('99), upgrade to Gigabyte GA-7DX+ mobo, 266Mhz FSB, 133DDR, 512Mb/ECC RAM (upgrade soon 1Gb), AMD 1.8Mhz, Win 98se/OS.
Though my System is definitely not on the extreme, I've never had a problem processing previous Clone backups; using a Startup Manager, I reboot w/ the minimums providing o/a 90% avail. memory.
Really, Sophocles revealed an item I completely overlooked. The AD link to DVD-RB shows only 2000/XP as approp. OS for this program. I thought it would work w/ Win98se. BigO and Sophocles had the solution; I just need to move to XP and this would end the problem. Think I'll just do that and save this forum for other member questions.
Apologize to any other who wanted to pipe-in and mostly, for the generous help.
RRG
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64026402
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28. January 2005 @ 18:46 |
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Donald
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64026402
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28. January 2005 @ 18:51 |
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Just make sure you reload avisynth to its default folder.
If DVDrebuilder still doesn't work then reload or upgrade the OS.
Donald
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brobear
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28. January 2005 @ 19:53 |
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RitekRG
Seems everyone has it under control. For some reason I thought the program was opening and then failing. Now I see what you were saying. You are going to have hard drive problems when/if you get RB going. You need a minimum of twice the DVD file size. Actually more because you can't fill a hard drive completely and you need space for the system to operate. So, a 7.5 GB DVD would need a minimum of 15 GB and 17.5 to 20 GB would be better. I'd suggest getting at least a 40GB HD. Those are fairly cheap at places like Wal Mart. At this point, that is more important than the RAM upgrade you're going to do. With all you need, it may be time to think of a newer PC or just stick with the apps that are currently working for you.
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RitekRG
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28. January 2005 @ 19:53 |
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64026402 -
Thank you, thank you, thank you .. that installer worked like magic. Just followed it as instructed.
Now if I can get RB screen reduced to fit screen (19in-CRT). Move up/down and try adjusting from parameters edges, but will not register mouse input. Maximize button shaded-out. Maybe file properties can be used(?)
Again, thanxs alot for everything .. most probable that I'll have something else arise, but I will do All the research I can before I bother anyone.
Best to you,
RRG
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brobear
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28. January 2005 @ 20:00 |
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RitekRG
Under Skin, select window standard. That's the smallest window. If the program opened from the installer, that means something was wrong in the set up somewhere before. Now you have a working model, you can see more of where the problem was.
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RitekRG
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28. January 2005 @ 20:06 |
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brobear,
Thanxs for all yr efforts/help .. actually, I have another Maxtor/5400 (40Gb), but haven't bothered to install it in open bay. I'll will do that this weekend since it will be important to any future work.
What did you mean by "With all you need, it may be time to think of a newer PC or just stick with the apps that are currently working for you." ..
I know its not up to 'speed' by current standards, but isn't it sufficient power (overall) to accomplish backups. Clone worked fine w/o any crashes and luckily, no Ritek (G04) coasters . I know its a long process, but seems my System is adequate enough.
Anyway, thank you.
RRG
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brobear
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28. January 2005 @ 20:36 |
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Other than the Hard drive, which you already have it seems, it appears the system will work. But you said you were contemplating a RAM updat. Those 2 items together, unless you already have them, can come to a decent sum. Then you need to take into the the low fsb speed. There you're looking at the chipset and MOBO. It's just that with your current PC's limitations, no matter what you do, it will be slower and more unwieldy.
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RitekRG
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28. January 2005 @ 21:04 |
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brobear -
Reference the two items you mention .. I have the Maxtor/5400 (40Gb) and I have a Samsung 512Mb DDR/ECC
RAM stick. The board will take up to (I believe) a 2.1Mhz AMD CPU, so I guess its the FSB to deal w/. I'll see what happens (?)
Probably pop back into the forum, if its OK, to update on progress. Really looking forward to testing this puppy out and seeing the final outcome/quality.
Thanks for rummaging a/r the boards (AnyDVD forum), otherwise I would have never heard of this DVD burning combo. Had read some on DVD2DVDR (sp?), but seemed to complicated. W/ the AD forum and guide(s), this process seems simple enough.
Much thanks to you and All.
RRG
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brobear
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29. January 2005 @ 01:36 |
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If you already have the upgrades, no sense in not using them. Just for comparison though, mid line PCs from the major companies are now running around 3.2GHz with 1066MHz FSB.
A simple analogy for CPU with a low FSB is like having a race horse caught behind the gate. The lower end PCs are running with 800MHz FSB. If you're into building your own PC, it's time to upgrade to a newer MOBO with a newer chipset. Then you can go with a faster CPU, larger hard drives, and benefit from the newer OS.
Unless the parts you got were free, the money you've invested in an older PC could have gone to pay a major portion of the cost for a new PC. It can sometimes become an interest to keep an older PC upgraded, but at some point it comes down to aging components and having to upgrade to a new MOBO and then starting over with newer components and peripherals. Sort of boils down to building a newer PC gradually instead of purchasing one. In the end a new unit is cheaper than the refurbished one.
However, one does have the personal touch with their "pride and joy". Part of the fun is in the enjoyment, so it doesn't really matter as long as you're happy with what you have and it works to your expectations.
Glad you're getting your software problems resolved and feel free to drop in anytime. BTW, you're welcome.
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64026402
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29. January 2005 @ 04:24 |
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Ritek
It sounds like you screen resolution is low.
Right click on the desktop and hit properties then go to settings then pick 1024 by 768 at least. The Rebuilder window is not sizeable but it usually small at normal resolutions.
Donald
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brobear
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29. January 2005 @ 04:52 |
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Simple blue and windows standard are smaller than the Rockas Original.
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64026402
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29. January 2005 @ 12:17 |
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As far as your machine goes 1.8 for an AMD machine is fine.
It should take about 4 hours the encode a 3 hr movie.
You can batch a few overnight so the encode time shouldn't bother you. Faster 3g machines will get under the 3 hr mark for the same movie.
Encoding is CPU intensive so the faster the proc the faster the encode.
DVDrebuilder during the CCE encode is sensitive to memory speed but to a much less degree. Past DDR2100 you get only a mild increase in speed for faster memory. The CPU remains the bottleneck.
Donald
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64026402
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29. January 2005 @ 12:19 |
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For my money the next purchase would be XP pro.
Donald
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brobear
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29. January 2005 @ 16:47 |
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Front Side Bus (FSB) - The Front Side Bus is the most important bus to consider when you are talking about the performance of a computer. The FSB connects the processor (CPU) in your computer to the system memory. The faster the FSB is, the faster you can get data to your processor. The faster you get data to the processor, the faster your processor can do work on it. The speed of the front side bus depends on the processor and motherboard chipset you are using as well as the system clock.
For a good read on the workings of your PC in layman's terms, here is the link. http://www.directron.com/fsbguide.html
Donald is right. XP would be the most important addition if you're just wanting to up the system to run rebuilder. Even with a slower running PC, XP is needed for handling the larger files.
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64026402
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29. January 2005 @ 17:59 |
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The front side bus is just the processor to chipset bandwidth. The memory still bottle necks the new faster bus technology. You can have 1066 mhz bus but the memory won't be that fast.
Dual channel fast DDR can come close. But the processor has cache so the need for memory speed is dependant on what your doing.
Encoding is more proc dependent than memory dependent. Even with 2100 DDR the proc stays at 100% usage in the encode stage. You never starve for memory feed.
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29. January 2005 @ 18:13 |
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As 64026402 said, the memory speed isn't a bottleneck because the CPU is doing so much work. In fact I'd say the cache doesn't even really make a difference because a P4 and a Celeron running at the same speed will encode at the same speed.
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brobear
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29. January 2005 @ 19:33 |
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Note how low the FSB is on RitekRG's PC. That low would make a difference as would the slower CPU. Sounds like we're getting into a discussion that isn't necessary. With a program like rebuilder where the required process is one of repetitive processing, then a high FSB isn't as necessary as pointed out by Donald. Yet it needs to be of moderate speed or it will be a bottleneck, as a slow CPU would produce slower processing times. And another factor, there are a lot of areas where the FSB is important; where the computer needs to make fast calculations from quickly changing and large data sources. Gaming and using the PC for assisted design are a couple of examples. These differences may not be as important to using rebuilder, but for overall PC usage it is.
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64026402
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29. January 2005 @ 19:42 |
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Games are definately memory dependent at times.
Fast memory can make a PC a lot snapier at times.
I am assuming Ritek is using 2100DDR. He confused it a little with the 133 in front of the DDR. 266 mhz DDR runs at 133 double pumped so I figured 2100.
Donald
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brobear
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29. January 2005 @ 19:47 |
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But the processor has cache so the need for memory speed is dependant on what your doing.
There we agree. The point I was making was speed of processing data to the CPU is slowed down by a slow FSB. Appears we are pointing out different aspects of the process.
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29. January 2005 @ 19:58 |
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Guess we just have a different point of view on the importance of FSB. I'll just look for the fastest available when I purchase a unit and make sure I have the better chipsets and MoBo when I go to build one.
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30. January 2005 @ 02:53 |
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These differences may not be as important to using rebuilder, but for overall PC usage it is.
That's definitely true for general PC usage. For the most part you should try to get the fastest FSB possible regardless of what encoding uses. I just don't worry about it for encoding because the motherboards with a slower FSB will also tend to have a CPU that's slow enough that it won't make a difference for encoding. That also doesn't mean it won't make a difference for other DVD related programs like DVDReMake that aren't as processor intensive.
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64026402
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30. January 2005 @ 04:58 |
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Brobear, I don't think that much differntly on the need for FSB speed. Especially when upgrading, the faster the FSB and memory bandwitdh the faster the computer and the better the upgrade path.
A few things might not be affected as much by FSB as others but it is always a factor in performance.
Thats why I like the Optetrons with multiple Hyperlink channels. With enough fast memory the bandwitdh is phenomenal. Especially nice for multiple processors were memory can really bottleneck. Dream Dream Dream.
Donald
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30. January 2005 @ 04:59 |
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Adjustment to the front side bus is the current most common method of over clocking a CPU. Intel locks the multiplier on all of its CPUs. If you want it to work beyond specifications, you'll have to adjust its front side bus. The only other place to make a gain is with the quality of memory purchased.
The speed of your front side bus is divided in half. For instance, a 33 MHz input, and 33 MHz output, equals 66 MHz or the sum of the speed of the front side bus on a 6 year old system. It still works the same today, but with a much wider effective front side bus speed. My current memory is technically just 133 MHZ but the speed is effectively quad pumped.
When we?re discussing the differences between a 533 MHz front side bus to that of an 800MHz front side bus, we have to take into consideration, a few factors. For instance my native front side bus speed is 533 MHZ which is 133 MHZ quad pumped. I?ve set my front side bus speed to 600 MZ (I?ve raised it higher and it was stable but just to be cautious I set it back to 600) which raises my 2.8 Northwood?s speed to 3.150 GHZ. Now you would think that I?d be suffering a serious loss in speed against a machine with an 800 MHZ front side but, but I?m not.
Although my front side bus speed is set at 600 MHZ my memory is really making use of what I?ve got. I?m using Corsair PC3200 C2 Low Latency memory. My memory timing settings are ?2-2-2-6 which is an incredible setting for a 600 MHZ front side bus. Virtually all commercial PC?s come with C3 memory which is slower, largely because the consumer is unaware of the differences in them and its less expensive then C2 memory. A common timing for a commercial machine is 3-3-3-8, lower numbers are better because that?s how many times it has to read during a single clock cycle.
Video encoding as we all know is CPU intensive which is why hyper threading is useless when encoding video or performing any CPU intensive task. Because of the quality of my memory an 800 MHZ machine when all is equal is only moderately faster than mine. At the same CPU speed my machine is actually faster than the vast majority of commercial 800MHZ machines (yes brobear including the Dells). Why is that so? Because video encoding is so CPU intensive that it?s going to create bottlenecking and the CPU is going to choke. The faster the front side bus speed the less our CPU?s increase their use of it.
To backup my previous statement here?s a test of front side bus speeds done by Tom?s hardware .com. Before reviewing the benchmarks, take a look at the setup. You?ll note that the DDR2 memory settings are 3-3-3-4 which is a very aggressive setting; the last number is usually 7 or 8. You?ll note that the P4 EE with the lower front side bus speed of 800 MHZ is holding its own against its 1066 MHZ front side bus self.
Note you'll have to copy and paste the URL to get to the tests.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041012/p4ee_925xe-05.html
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