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SlySoft switching over to the Euro soon, prices going up
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PacMan777
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2. December 2007 @ 09:02 |
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I'm thinking strictly from a consumer point of view, irregardless of nationality. The hike by Slysoft is excessive whatever currency they use. It's not nationalistic to yell ripoff when you see one coming down the pike. They've been using sales off and on for a while, but the given price of AnyDVD HD is currently $79 US, which converts to about 54 euros. 25 euros to hike the price to 79 is about a %46.3 increase in euros. You can do the conversions for sales. http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html Fasfrank I believe was the first to mention the 1:1, dollar to euro, rate hike by Slysoft. I saw the same on a news blog. That hike from 79 to 116 USD means a %46.8 increase. So thinking US and euro, the hike for both is just about the same percentage wise, %46. As I mentioned before, irregardless of the currency, that's quite a jump for a piece of software. The US is only part of the global market, how about the currencies that trade less than the dollar? They'll be paying even more.
Speaking of economies doesn't have to be political. The situation the US is in is simple if you look at it. The US is a consumer market with good returns on international investments. The US buys the goods produced by other countries and international businesses and individuals invest capital in US businesses. When capital is being siphoned off (trade deficit) as it is in the US, the currency value is going to drop off in the international community. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happens if the dollar falls too far relative to the currency of its trading partners. If the US can't buy the products and there's no other market, then the sellers' currency starts dropping as well. What it means for the US is if other countries don't help with the issues of trade deficit then the US will have to be more proactive in dealing with the situation.
But as I pointed out, a %46 hike by Slysoft is price gouging, in euros or dollars.
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2. December 2007 @ 10:32 |
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Does CloneDVD have life time updates like AnyDVD does
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2. December 2007 @ 18:39 |
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I wonder how many people will be whining after the increase, when they could have bought it for much less by buying now, before the increase. My Suggestion; If you are procrastinating about buying at least AnyDVD now, buy it. Otherwise you will pay more later.
Buy it, backup yor key/keys. Even keep backups of the latest versions of the software. Think Ahead
I would go ahead & buy CloneDVD2 as well, you'll get the bundle price, and the best transcoder out there.
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Why buy 2 pieces of software from Slysoft when the job can be done with DVDFab Platinum from DVDIdle? One program does the entire job and it costs less. Plus DVDFab has done better than Slysoft the last while for getting the updates done quicker. If all you need is a program to bypass copy protection, the free DVDFab HD Decrypter does the job. Slysoft's niche in the market is that often the copy protection software runs at the same time as the transcoding software and saves a few minutes. That's getting to be quite a chunk of change for such a small convenience.
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3. December 2007 @ 09:52 |
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it makes sense for them to switch to Euros if their expenses are paid in Euros. It's all Economy and if you any other nationality than American you feel this everyday for products that are sold in US Dollars. Being Canadian I paid close to $61 for anydvd when I bought it simply because the American dollar had a higher value than the Canadian. If I would have held off until recently the same purchase could have cost me about $44. So, now that they are switching to Euros yes the price increases for some, and more for others, but it isn't really a price increase. As the American currency raises its value the gap gets closer and closer. Now, you can see what the rest of the world goes through when trying to buy American priced items.
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Frankly I could care less if Slysoft sells their software and t-shirts in yen or pesos. That's just a matter of currency conversion. The trick is that at the same time Slysoft is switching the currency, they're also jacking the price by a huge margin in all currencies. (Word has it that it's going to be a 1:1 conversion from USD to EUR.) The currency conversion is going to be whatever the global banking system dictates. Just think, when the price goes to 79 euros for AnyDVD HD, that's about $116 US and Canadian.
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At the current rate of exchange, 1:1, if you're paying more for US goods in Canadian dollars than US dollars, it's either the taxes your country is imposing or somebody is ripping you off.
I'd like to see the US drop the favored trading nations business and impose taxes on all products coming from outside its borders. That's what China, Japan, and a bunch of other countries have done to protect their home grown industries and prevent trade deficits. The taxation and economic models used in the UK, EU, China, and Japan might come in handy. The current economic model was why a lot of US companies went international for cheaper products and manufacturing. The new tariffs and barring international competition would spark manufacturing in the US once again. Some of the producing nations that are selling their goods to the US may not appreciate the cut to their economies. But who wants those American Dollars anyway?
With the "worthless dollar" the US should be considering itself poor. Just think, a world with the Americans out of their hair and their economies. I wonder who is going to send aid to the US. Anyone wanting to get rid of those "worthless" notes with dead presidents on them, just send them my way. ;)
Just a question or two. Whose going to buy all those goods when the US can't? With today's global market economy, what's happens when one of the largest consumers can no longer afford to consume?
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3. December 2007 @ 14:01 |
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LOL Who cares what Slysoft does! If people don't like their prices, they can shop elsewhere. For those who think their products are the greatest thing since sliced bread; I say, let them buy it. Their products are very popular. Despite price increases, consumers will continue to buy their products. Nero 8, and DVDFAB Platinum, both cost less and do more.
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Who made you moderator? This thread is titled "SlySoft switching over to the Euro soon, prices going up." That's what everyone has been discussing. It won't affect most of us in this thread because we have already bought it, but there will be noobs who won't simply because of the price in the future.
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3. December 2007 @ 15:01 |
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QuikDraw's comment on the alternatives make a good point. We've taken the discussion on Slysoft about as far as it can go. Some people seem to think it's a statement on the weak USD and that it's just raising the price so US consumers will have to pay more like the rest of the world. Seems somebody forgot the part about international banking and currency conversion. If the US is paying more, so is everyone else.
If a company jacks its product prices out of reach, it makes good sense to buy a product that does the same job for less. That makes suggesting an alternative legitimate when Slysoft starts charging a lot more euros. It's not just Slysoft switching to the euro, but a lot more euros than it currently costs. ;)
Sadly there's enough people out there who will buy the hype and buy things at any price. Hopefully the small number of suppliers of decryption software won't lead to a monopoly type market where everyone raises their prices instead of competing. Whose going to protect your rights when you no longer get those lifetime subscriptions but have to start paying for updates on a monthly or yearly basis? I can't help but remember those guarantees made by 321 Studios, then big brother took them away.
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Originally posted by Pac (again):
Some people seem to think it's a statement on the weak USD and that it's just raising the price so US consumers will have to pay more like the rest of the world. Seems somebody forgot the part about international banking and currency conversion.
Sounds like a politically correct way to insult me and res2cue for not telling you how great the term paper on economics is you've been nice enough to write for us all.
I agree everyone will ultimately pay more and as truthful and factual as your points may be, I believe you are missing OUR point.
If the dollar and euro were equal would this change be made, or would it just be another regular price increase because they want more money?
If they are pegging their prices to the Euro, what happens when the trade rate evens back up as it should sometime? Or swings back in our favor?
Please show me where they say how much the cost increase is. As of now its all theoretical, maybe it'll only be an increase of 5euro. Doesnt sound bad for most the world, sounds worse for us as of now.
I do agree that DVDFabHD is looking better and better every day for those that havent made the purchase. This just means there will be more cracked versions of AnyDVD popping up.
Sorry if I rambled, it just started sounding a little condescending around here and I had to break it up a little.
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3. December 2007 @ 20:06 |
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Originally posted by PacMan777:
Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Technically the price hasnt increased, the U.S. dollar isnt worth the paper its printed on and we finally had to catch up to what the rest of the world is doing.
I imagine it was quite a good deal at the old prices for everyone else, it would cost them the equivalent of about $7 US
I don't think Slysoft's software is worth it considering the price for DVDIdle's programs. Do the current rate of exchange for dollar to euro, then use the number for dollars as conversion of euro to dollars. Use the number for current cost of Slysoft software in dollars. Currently the US dollar exchange rate is 1 USD = 0.680828 EUR. For those without a calculator handy, that means the $79 US AnyDVD HD Decrypter will go up about 25.21 euros from the current 53.79 EUR. In USD that means a hike of $37.04 to about $116.04. That's a hefty price hike whether it's euros, dollars, yen, pesos, or whatever. Nobody comes out a winner except Slysoft. The dollar trades lower than the euro, but I'd hardly call it worthless. Anyone thinking so can send all that worthless paper to me for disposal. LOL
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Last year at this time the USD = 0.75 EUR. If the program had been priced 79 USD at the time, that would have been 59.25 EUR. That's less than 6 euros difference over the past year and Slysoft has raised the prices over the past year as we've all seen. They're jacking the price by 4X the change of the currency exchange rate for the past year in terms of the euro. Sales are dropping and Slysoft is trying to make more on each sale is what appears to be happening. I'll no longer recommend Slysoft because they've priced themselves off the market in my book.
Try doing those calcs in New Zealand dollars you think the US ain't worth nowt, ours is used worldwide in the board game monopoly..lol.. at the mo the price is good for the software once it goes euro however forget it,sadly the US dollar has had it's day the euro will end up taking over then chances are asia will take over from it what a vicious cycle,i'm off to look at dvdidle that you mentioned i assume it does all what the slysoft bundle does.
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4. December 2007 @ 00:08 |
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DVDFab Platinum will do the entire backup job from bypassing copy protection all the way through burning to DVD. It takes both AnyDVD and CloneDVD 2 to accomplish the same task. DVDFab Platinum is currently on sale for about $49 US. Regular price is what AnyDVD HD alone costs now.
Originally posted by Deadrum33, again:
Sounds like a politically correct way to insult me and res2cue for not telling you how great the term paper on economics is you've been nice enough to write for us all.
Glad you appreciated the "term paper". No insult intended, politically correct or otherwise. And I rarely try to be condescending. There's too many smart people in the world for me to try a trick like that. LOL I respect res2cue and I think he's aware of that. I didn't mean for his name to come up in any kind of misunderstanding.
I'm not nationalistic to the point I believe the world should cater to the US. Much of the world doesn't want Americans around. I'm all for restricting international travel (close the US borders to travel and commerce, if that's what the global community wants). The USD has weakened and I don't mind if it weakens more against the Euro. Let everyone complain about the high Euro effecting international trade. In fact I'd think it would be a welcome change. The US can officially ask the EU for financial aid. ;) I'm one of those guys who believes the US should pay more attention to what's happening inside its borders than out. Just my 2 cents on that issue though.
Excuse me for delving in economics 101 again. LOL But with an international company, Slysoft, sticking it to the international market, I couldn't help but put in my 2 cents (plus) worth. ;)
I can see the reason for Slysoft moving to a more stable currency that's increasing against other currencies. It's good business. Set the price and without raising it again the product value increases as the currency does. I don't fault Slysoft for that at all.
As for the price hike, I got that from QuikDraw and it was pointed out that FasFrank got it from Slysoft. I also noticed it on a news site, independent from any AD sources. Who knows, maybe Slysoft changed their mind. I'm just reacting to what has been widely reported as a 46% price hike for an overpriced program. That's 46.6% in Euros, USD, and Canadian dollars. As scorpNZ pointed out, countries that have a lower exchange rate are going to get hit even harder. In New Zealand Dollars the jump will go from about 103 NZD to about 151 NZD, if the reported price of 79 Euros is put in place for AnyDVD HD. If the quoted cost turns out to be a reality, it's going to be a 46.6 percent increase in whatever currency a consumer is using.
To put my take on it in short form: In case anyone may have misunderstood what I was saying, It's smart business for Slysoft moving to a more stable currency. I find no fault with that. If the 46.6 percent price hike that's been reported goes into effect, I think we're seeing an international vendor ripping off international consumers. It has nothing to do with national pride. It means 46.6 percent everyone will have to pay over current cost, irregardless of currency in use.
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@PacMan: I didn't take offense brother, we don't always have to agree do we? I guess my point is this, being Canadian this whole paying in different currency and getting raped is old school as thats the norm for here when we pay for items in American Dollars. Essentially the consumer will let Slysoft know if this is a good plan or not. I just hope that if they find out this was a rotten idea it's not too late to turn things around. But.. at the same time I think the company is being more than fair by giving a months notice of this change. Time will tell if this move makes good business sense or not. I don't know what their expenses are or how much they have increased, but being payed in one currency while paying your bills in another that is higher value can get expensive, and dangerous. Maybe there is more to this than we think? Is it possible this is a last ditch effort to save the company financially? Has the pot finally started to empty? I don't know, just looking at the bigger picture.
It's nice to see that we can keep this thread going with so many differeing opinions and for the most part stay civil :)
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Staying civil is no problem at all. You're right, we're all allowed our point of view. I was simply trying to broaden the view from nationalistic to looking at the situation from a global perspective. As I mentioned before, Slysoft can't be faulted at all for moving to a stronger currency. As you mentioned, there's less loss due to a deflating dollar. If pricing was left the same though, it would only mean a slight gradual increase over time to currencies that are growing weaker in face of the euro. That's nothing to do with the Yankee dollar except it being part of the international banking system. As you can see, there's not much we're in disagreement on.
Talking about buying power, the EU is in the "catbird seat" at the moment. They get to buy cheap and sell high to most of the world. The wife was wanting a Volkswagen but she's more likely to get a Toyota made in the US. ;)
You're probably right about what's happening. Most people already have the software needed to do DVD backups and the consumer market has to be drying up. No doubt you're right in Slysoft wanting to and needing to sure up it's business practices to keep from losing money. It's only that 46 percent increase for everyone that was reported that bothers me. Actually it doesn't because I already own a copy. I got it back when it was cheap. I just hate to see the new customers squeezed. If they're like me when I started, I'd bought software before I found there was freeware that would do the same thing.
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Yeah it's pretty gaye sly's charge for two seperate proggys when it should be inclusive,i shoulda learn't how to make software then i could update shrink & splatter it all over the net..lol.. the thing that sux the most when buying software is whether the company goes belly up & yeah finding freebies later..*bangs head*
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off topic: do you ever sleep?
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why waste time sleeping, there'll be plenty of time to sleep when your dead (been dying to use that line since i saw that episode of 007) :p
edit: ok it's decided dvdfab it is,i was leaning towards sly but i can't justify the cost even tho it's not too badly priced at the mo
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
why waste time sleeping, there'll be plenty of time to sleep when your dead (been dying to use that line since i saw that episode of 007) :p
edit: ok it's decided dvdfab it is,i was leaning towards sly but i can't justify the cost even tho it's not too badly priced at the mo
Also from Die Another Day:
"You're cleverer than you look" - Bond, "Better than looking cleverer than you are!" - Q.
I've not found a place to use that one yet. LOL Nobody seems to think I'm very smart. ;)
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To get closer to the topic. ScorpNZ, personally I think it's a good choice, the DVDFab is on sale now as well. I own most of the programs we discuss here at AD, but I often use the free DVDFab HD Decrypter for bypassing the copy protection and then use my favorite encoder programs. I've never bought into the Slysoft hype. For a while slysoft was faster at getting the updates done, but DVDFab appears to have taken care of that.
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Originally posted by PacMan777:
Plus DVDFab has done better than Slysoft the last while for getting the updates done quicker.
I tend to disagree. AnyDVD HD supports HD DVD / Blu-ray MKBv4 titles since October 28, 2007. Today is December 8th, and DVDFab still doesn't support MKBv4 titles...
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Originally posted by elby:
Originally posted by PacMan777:
Plus DVDFab has done better than Slysoft the last while for getting the updates done quicker.
I tend to disagree. AnyDVD HD supports HD DVD / Blu-ray MKBv4 titles since October 28, 2007. Today is December 8th, and DVDFab still doesn't support MKBv4 titles...
Maybe I should have qualified the statement. I meant updates for bypassing copy protection for those backing up DVDs to DVD5 and DVD9. Blue Ray and HD DVD are still a small market segment in comparison. Who wants to pay as much for a recordable disc as the original? Why not just buy two? High hardware costs also make the technology an enthusiast's and/or rich man's toy.
I'll give Fengtao and the group at DVDIdle credit for what they have done. Unlike Slysoft they added the new technology components they have for the same unit price. Slysoft is charging an additional $30 US for the HD component and that is soon to be increased from what's going around the forum's. Both AnyDVD and DVDFab HD Decrypter are used for bypassing copy protection. Slysoft charges for AnyDVD, DVDIdle gives DVDFab HD Decrypter away for free. If Slysoft wants to follow suit, they should give AnyDVD away for free and only charge for CloneDVD 2. I'll be waiting in anxious anticipation... ;)
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