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kookoo76
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Truthman, i got to desagree with you on somthing.
You mentioned that the gpu of the 360 is a *little bit* better than the gpu of the ps3.
Sorry man, looks like both gpu's have their ups and downs. And to me, now they're equil.
360 has the dram thing you were talking about. ""EDRAM like u said, which is very good and the RSX doesnt have, nor will any desktop PC's have it (so i think)"" So that will give an advantage to 360.(dont know how much advantage tho.)
Even though rsx has 24 pipelines, they can still produce more than the 360's right? 96 sops for 360 (136) ithink for ps3? Lets just put it this way..if 360 were to have 24 pipelines, they will only be able to produce 48sops per second. While rsx will be able to produce (136) shader ops with 24. And I am assuming this because the pipelines for the rsx are stronger, so which will make it produce more ops(not sops)
So that will give an advantage to ps3.(dont know how much advantage tho.)
So i guess its even....lol, well unless you can state
somthing else?
Imma post the cpu stuff somewhere else, this is'nt the right thread to post it.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
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Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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Truth Man I think that you missed my last post its the last one on page 2. I dont want to be like a bug to you but it woult really help me thanks.
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no problem dude, all in all, the 360 is a little better than the PS3, though trying to understand that is EXTREMELY and i mean EXTREMELY complicated.
they are BOTH EXTREMELY GOOD SYSTEMS, AND BOTH WILL PROVIDE EXCELLENT GAMING ENTERTAINEMENT.
thanks for the compliments kookoo.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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no problem dude, all in all, the 360 is a little better than the PS3
Dont know if you meen graphic wize, but the ps3 gpu si a **little ** better than the 360's ATI. =P.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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no it isnt :-), lol this is funny, they both are really close though.
check out the post you started, the real big one of urs with the huge first post. ive done my own HUGE ass post.
the parallel processing part is what you really need to focus on, then ull find out why.
i also put in it some examples of how a GPU actually works (a simplified version)
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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I have noticed it already,I posted little, i have a big big headach today cant really concintrate on your huge ass posts.(today)
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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same here actually, i have extreme brain pain, but what has to be done, must be done.
you gotta admit, that both of us fight like cat and dog, but its a good laugh in the works, when i read ur posts, i laugh at what you write (not because its wrong) but in the way you are arguing ur points back at me, and its good fun.
as well as trying to persuade and convince the other that the 360/PS3 is best (360 for me and PS3 for u)
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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DOnt judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
I have to agree with you here, but the problem is, I don't think you agree with yourself. You say not to judge by specifications, but yet you push that the 360's GPU is slightly better because of parallel processing, which if I remember correctly, is a specification.
The real deciding factor isn't with specs as you say, but how the games ultimately look and feel. We can't judge by feel yet, as PS3 isn't out at the moment, but we can discuss looks by all means. There are already multiple examples of multiplatform games to compare, and frankly, they all look better on PS3.
Just thought I'd point out the incongruency between your sig and posts.
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My personal opinion is that the Xbox 360 is better overall than it's two competitor's.
With regards to the GPU of the 360 and PS3 I think the 360's GPU is more powerfull but the PS3's CPU is more powerfull than that of the 360's. However when I say the PS3 CPU is more powerfull I say it in terms of brute force but the 360's CPU has more general prossesing power.
All in all if the PS3 is more powerfull than the 360 it will only be a very slight one. If you look at the significant power difference between the xbox and PS2 you will notice a change in quality of graphics, but what you have to remember is that there is a large difference.
Between the 360 and PS3 the differences in power (if any) is only slight so there will be no major reason to buy the PS3 in terms of graphical power like everyone suggest's.
360 in my eyes is better because of it's online functionality (a BIG plus) and the exclusive games that will be coming to the system over the next few years like Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human and of course Halo 3.
Just one last thing I would like to add, take a look at Metal Gear Solid 4 (a demonstration of what PS3 can do), then take a look at running video of Gears of War and Mass Effect (a demonstration of what 360 can do)then reply to how good the graphics look on both sytems.
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zelda 64:
no one is debating the fact whihc gpu is better.(now) Just go to the forum on the link, lots of information is posted there. Lots of information there, more than two people puting down posts..lol.
read it all then make your oppinions.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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@ kookoo76
Sorry those links didnt work for some reason.
Can I ask one question why are you buying a PS3? Infact anyone here who is buying a PS3 can I ask the same question?
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Try the forum link.
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Sorry those links didnt work for some reason.
Can I ask one question why are you buying a PS3? Infact anyone here who is buying a PS3 can I ask the same question?
Trying to be biased? its the same as asking why are you going to buy the revolution or the 360. because i like the system, it's powerfull and has many games
Hard to understand? Like seriosly what point are youi trying to point out?
@zelda
Why are you buying the revolution. infact why would anyone be buying a revolution..
o gosh, you fanboy. WHY DO YOU THINK IM BUYING THE PS3?
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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Calm down, I wasnt trying to be biased just a simple question with a simple answer.
Anyway I am not getting the revolution as my user name might suggest.
I own a PSX and PS2 and love the Playstation but I know how deceptive Sony can be and I believe the 360 to be better overall. As I have had so much time off because of being Ill I have read every scrap of information on all three consoles and have seen how Sony have pulled the wool over peoples eyes just like they did with the PS2. Once watching the E3 Sony presentation I was convinced to buy a PS3 but as I read more about the 360 in comparison I began to relise it was the better choice.
I will be buying an Xbox 360 because of it's very impresive new line up of games soon to be released. I also really like playing online games like World of Warcraft and Counterstrike. The 360 will have the best online facilities. Also it apears to be so well thought out from the design of the controler to all the features of the console.
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Yes i agree with Zelda, the 360 will perform better than the ps3....
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Sony can be and I believe the 360 to be better overall
K THAT SENTENCE DIDNT MAKE SENCE. sory no caps to lazy.
In what terms, visit my forum! lots of info, not biased info. Just look at it, go to ps3 general discussion, and you will see it somthing lk rsx pipeline vs ati pipeline. Try showing proof or, why you think why which gpu/cpu is better. Just dont say you "believe". it wont cut it when convincing somone. Exept like eurika over there lol. Read my forum completly, its long, Real long, then put why you think which is better, and have your facts.
I just dont like it when people say somthing without the facts, it bugs me like hell.
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As I have had so much time off because of being Ill I have read every scrap of information on all three consoles and have seen how Sony have pulled the wool over peoples eyes just like they did with the PS2.
KK first off, the ps2 was sopose to compete with the dreamcast, untill it failed. 1 year and 9 months later the xbox came out. Which was far better than the ps2. obviosly because m$ had a year and somthing months after. Dont compair the 2. The games mad ethe concol for that war. Ps3 and 360 are completly different now. Go on my forum ill make link.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/1/265429#1498727
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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Could everyone just give it a rest? We're all going to buy the system(s) we want. Why does anyone care to influence opinions, you're still getting the one you're getting and who cares what someone else chooses? What's everyone trying to prove, that they're the ones not wasting their money?
This isn't going to affect anything, but...oh whatever, why do I even care how you guys waste your time? If you guys want to keep bickering, have fun.
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im gettin the x360 and rev and later the ps3 theyve all got their positives also graphics arent everything its all about the games
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Yeah you have a good point there dr.cool, but i don't like how the revolution (NINTENDO) make pretty much just mario type games....and will they even make many games for the revolution since u can get the old games on it??
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Yes of course, otherwise the whole revolutionary aspect of it (the controller) is rendered useless.
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I don't like the concept of the controller, but when i try it maybe i will like it a lot, just gotta wait and see, for now I got my 360
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Ok I read the part on the GPU and CPU on the forum link you gave, thank you. As you know due to the structure of the new ATI GPU it's difficult to be comparing it's performance with that of older model GPU structures such as the RSX because of ATI's biggest change with the unified shaders. ATI have managed to maintain state information on 64 separate threads and there is also a thread buffer inside the chip. The GPU can switch between threads instantaneously to keep the shader arrays busy all the time. I dont want to go on to much and get too boring but what ATI have done is somthing that has been desired by graphic companys for some time.
Going onto the games. I also noticed in the thread link you gave that Dr Cool was giving some very valid points to the RPG games to be released on the 360. The games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odessey are made by Spuare Enix lead by Sakaguchi the man who made Final Fantasy. There are a few more well known Japanes creaters who are making game exclusively to the xbox 360. Thats the thing that annoy's me. You got annoyed when I didnt provide facts to what I said about the 360 in my previous post but I get annoyed when people dont try anything new and stick the the same old safe stuff (e.g. Final Fantasy). In the link to the other thread you gave me, you state that the PS3 RPG's are good and the 360 ones wont be as good. How do you know? They are new games that are in devlopment. If people dont try anything new then they will never know and that what bugs me. Thats why Nintendo fans bug me so much because they always stick to the same games Mario, Zelda, Metriod etc.
Just want to say thank you eureka21 for agreeing with one of my points.
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if you check out the big graphics card war between me and kookoo, you will find out a lot of info about the graphics cards, despite what kookoo says, (i taught him some stuff 2) the xenon GPU IS more powerful than the RSX but onloy by a little bit (by like 5% which isnt that much). plus in terms of pure image quality the Xenon GPU (360) will have a higger quality one because of its 64 bit architecture it can have Fully supported HDR enabled ALONG WITH ANTI-ALIASING which no card(s) except the new X1800's for PC + the Xenon GPU can do properly, course in games like DoD (which has only HDR bloom effects, it doesnt have full effects despite being able to pick that in the graphics settings option) you can have AA enables as its not full-proper HDR lighting, for a game with proper HDR in great detail then enabling AA with it, it either wont work, or the framnerate will drop by an additional 30FPS or something near that.
So being able to gave 4xAA enabled along with HDR lighting is a big bonus for the ATI card again. it also has adaptive anti-aliasing which picks up all the image parts properly and reduces jagged edges, unlike than bandwith efficient multisaple AA which is good but does not pick up the fine details properly, like a thin web, and meshed things in games, like the blue mesh boxes in HL2. a wall/gun/obvious object will look the same with adaptive AA as it would with Multi-saple AA, but for the things like i said above, plus many many more other things, adaptive will be different and better. a thin web with multisample would just consist of 100% jagged edges that dont join up properly, but with adaptive it would be as smooth as a proper AA sampled wall, and would look much more realistic.
so when both systems are out, and you play/see a FULL HDR game (not just bloom effects) it will run on the PS3 and 360 equally well but if you look for jaggs in game, the 360 will have practically none due to efficient adaptive 4xAA but the PS3 will have more (even though the 720p res on its own doesnt have that much aliasing but it wills till have more jaggs than the 360, much more in fact.
so Xenon GPU (360) wins on image quality 2. if you dont believe me check the december issue in the custom PC magazine (if ur british) as it also says this in there, it does cover the new ATI GPU (X1800XT) in detail and how it works, its a mainly new design compared to the X800's. and the X1800XT's are the younger brother of the Xenon GPU although there still are some sweet differences, but the X1800's bonuses are in the Xenon card too, but with much more power, RSX will lose its battle.
see kookoo more tricks, did u knowe Nvidia cards (inc. the RSX) cannot have AA enabled in PROPER HDR games, or at least with it working properly, but be assured the RSX will have AA in all other Non-full HDR games, so its not all that bad, but they dont have adaptive AA do they, hahha, score to the Xenon GPU again!.
ATI are always better on features and image quality than Nvidia .
X800's have better image quality compared to 6800's and 7800's even (except for SLI'd super 16xAA) by a little, there have vbeen lots of tests done to see if thats true on many sites, and on game preview's they give screen shots of game with ATi card and Nvidia card, and the ATI card pic is usually a little sharper and clearer (screen shots looking directly into clear but complicated textures). always has been. but in most screen shots (in fights etc, you wont really notice as you wont be paying attentiuon to that much).
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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Hmm truthman, everyone is telling you that you are wrong, but yet somehow you dont understand.
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if you check out the big graphics card war between me and kookoo, you will find out a lot of info about the graphics cards, despite what kookoo says
Hmm i dont know..you seem to be putting me down when im right an dyour wrong. People said you are wrong, but somehow you say im wrong..makes no sence at all. Use the other thread dude. THis aint a thread for war.
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the xenon GPU IS more powerful than the RSX but onloy by a little bit (by like 5% which isnt that much).
the rsx GPU IS more powerfull than the xenon, but only by a little bit like 5%.
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plus in terms of pure image quality the Xenon GPU (360) will have a higger quality one because of its 64 bit architecture it can have Fully supported HDR enabled ALONG WITH ANTI-ALIASING which no card(s)
k first of all, the rsx's specs here havnt been released, you dont know if it's goign to be 32 bit 64bit or 128 bit. just because its 64 bit, meens nothing. look at ps1. It was 32 bit. The n64 was 64 bit, but yett somehow sony pulled out to have better graphics. And again, I will say, the rsx didnt release what architecture it is using. It can be unified, or it can use the geforce 7800s architecture. So just......eurg, dont bring up that point agian. It's pointless and wrong.
And i dont know why you are talking about image quality, were talking about graphics. What the ps3 can produce. YOur not going to be looking at images on your ps3 i suppose. And if your not talking about image quality. Try using another word than image.
Such as the rsx will have better graphics quality.
And one more point, you just state about what's good about the ati. O gosh, you dont compair it to somthing. Yett again your statement is goign to be completly wrong exactly how it was with the "48 pipeline shit". Which you were completly wrong with.
and stop using this thread for the war between rsx vs xenos.
And yett the geforce 7800 will be on par witht he rsx. The 7800 is more powerfull than the ati, just how descussed in other forum and on andantech. what do you got to say to that.?
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I did? Im sure it was from another thread but ok. Ok for what everyone knows, Square uses final fantasy for gamers to buy the playstation, while xbox uses halo. I've played xbox rpgs, and they all suck compairing to the final fantasy series. Ps3 will have kingdom hearts, ff and dragon quest. FFX sold alone 8million. You niticed that square maked those games you've posted. But that is nothing compairing to what sony's rpg's are goign to be. You've seen in the demo that ff7 demo on ps3, you've seen #12 on the ps3 as well. And iv seen some images of the games you've posted. And the 360's rpg's look like crud. Looks like the graphics are like what ps2 can perform at 100%. I'm sure that i can find a ps2 or xbox game with better graphics. ffs look at ff12 compair it to graphics on the 360.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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It kills me to know what kind of people there are out there. Seriosly what an idiot.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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