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oofRome
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9. December 2005 @ 12:38 |
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The RSX may or may not be more powerful than the Xenos, kookoo. It is unknown at this time.
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ddp
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9. December 2005 @ 12:39 |
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lordtut, if you want back to this site be more civil minded & have a good read of the forum rules above.
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zelda64
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9. December 2005 @ 12:51 |
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Sorry kookoo76 if I got mixed up there with the RPG matter. However there is a thread somewhere on here where it discusses the RPG's on the 360. On the thread I have mentioned why I belive the RPG's will be very succesful on the 360. Just to go over these points quickly, 1)The creator of Blue Dragon, Lost Odesy (and a third title I cant remember) is as already stated Sakaguchi (the creator of Final Fantasy) and the Square Enix team. 2) on the western side of things you have a trilogy being released called 'Mass Effect' from the creators of the highly succesful 'Star Wars Nights of the Old Republic. 3)Morowind Oblvion.
Proceeding on to the comment of the graphics please can you watch the in game footage video demonstration of Mass Effect. I have watched the Final Fantasy 7 remake demonstration for the PS3 and I am not to impressed on the graphical side of things after seeing Mass Effect.
Maybe it would be best to discuse the RPG matter on the other thread.
I think the thread can be found on the xbox 360 general discussion and its called 'could the xbox 360s rpg be better than the ps3s?'
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kookoo76
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9. December 2005 @ 13:01 |
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zelda you dont have to appologize for anything. I'm not willing to look on those threads yett, because i can predict already what's gogin to be on it. I just dont want to get into anymore conflicts at the moment. All i knowt hat only ff11 is gogin to the 360 because of massive on line play. Rest is goign on the ps3. You're right we can only compair when the games come out.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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TruthMan
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10. December 2005 @ 06:15 |
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dude when i said despite what kookoo says, i wasnt lecturing you, i was saying to the others not to believe you when you say the RSX is a little more powerful when it isnt. the Xenon GPU is (but as we both know not by much at all). (you mis-interpreted what i meant)
Im betting like in the PC cards as well, the RSX will play OpenGL based games better than the Xenon GPU, and the Xenon GPU will play direct 3d games better than the RSX.
it has been the same for pc between the X800XT PE vs the 6800Ultra (ultra won open GL and X800XT PE won D3D), the X1800XT vs the 7800GTX 256, and the X1800XT PE vs the 7800GTX 512.
all the ATI cards won the direct 3d tests, or nearly all of them, (like 90%) and the nvidia cards won ALL of the openGL tests.
BUT most games nowadays (like 70-80%) use the Direct3D renderer.
but some gr8 games do use open GL, like quake 4, that used doom 3's OpenGL rendering engine. but still quake 4 is only for the 360.
plus the new Xenon GPU has been tweaked more to provide performance in OpenGL based games, to compete with the performance of Nvidia cards in open GL. plus parallel processing makes openGL games run faster so thats good news for the Xenon card.
and about people saying that im wrong, well what they dont reliase is, is that THEY are wrong, not me.
what im saying IS TECHNICALLY CORRECT so why are others saying that im wrong.
you have already admitted that i know shit lots of technical information,
(so dont pull pack on it, or else you will have contradicted urself. which you dont want to do or else it gives off a real bad impression of what you are like as a person. just some advice there.)
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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kookoo76
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10. December 2005 @ 07:33 |
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dude when i said despite what kookoo says, i wasnt lecturing you, i was saying to the others not to believe you when you say the RSX is a little more powerful when it isnt. the Xenon GPU is (but as we both know not by much at all). (you mis-interpreted what i meant)
THe rsx is more powerfull. And you saying I'm wrong and people shouldnt listen to me, is just immature, making people not listen to you.
ahhh
Yett again you only posted the goods about the 360 without pointing out the cons about it. Like its shared ram. I'm not goginto debate this anymore on this thread. Thats what my thread is for. lol. Your saying all the pros about the 360. And nothing about the ps3. Sooo you saying that the rsx is weaker is untrue.
Here:
xenos 500mhz...and rsx 550mhz.
The faster the clock speed, the smoother the images will appear.
For those of you who dont know what that meens. the ammount of mhz is how the speed of the graphic card sening informatiion
And on andtech, they say that the rsx will be able to go up to 700mhz. Beating the ati overal. HA
second, as I already posted is pipelines
Rsxs pipeline will be able to produce a number of 136sops.
while the ati only 96sops
Now witht hat out of the way, it will be obvios that the pipelines will be able to produce more OPS with all that power the rsx has.
Making the rsx more powerfull than the xenos ATI!!!!!!!!!!!
HA.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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zelda64
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10. December 2005 @ 11:06 |
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I dont want really get involved too much with the GPU discusion, esspecialy on this thread but I just want to point out that somewhere I read that the Xbox 360's GPU has been capped at 500mhz to save cost and inorder to release the 360 earlier but it can go up to a clock speed of 700mhz. I will try to find where I found that information.
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kookoo76
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10. December 2005 @ 11:33 |
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lOL, find it then.
And it better not be a biased website.
I'm sure you've read it here.
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
"The GPU operates at 500MHz and has a 256-bit memory interface to 512MB of 700MHz GDDR3 system memory (that is also shared with the CPU). "
That doesnt meen that the GPU will run at 700mhz. Means that the memory will be running at 700mhz. (ram) But that 700mhz of ram is shared witht the CPU. I suspect that 200mhz of it is shared.
OO yes, also from that website
"Now let's move on to NVIDIA's RSX; the RSX is very similar to a PC GPU in that it features a 256-bit connection to 256MB of local GDDR3 memory (operating at 700MHz). "
So the rsx will have 700mhz of memory that is not shared witht the cpu.
So the ati opperates 500mhz while the rsx opperates 550mhz.
so the ati has 700mhz of SHARED ram. While the ps3 has 700mhz of ram.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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zelda64
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10. December 2005 @ 12:12 |
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If iam not mistaken the PS3 has 512mb of ram in total, 256mb is for the GPU and 256mb for the CPU. the 360 has 512mb that can be shared for either the GPU of the CPU so depending on what the developer needs they have more freedom.
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kookoo76
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10. December 2005 @ 12:14 |
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I think you are wrong there. For what i know, ps3 rsx's ram isnt shared with the cpu. I know that the ram is shared with the 360. Which would explain why it sais 700mhz of ram that is shared with the cpu. I'll do more research on that.
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either the GPU of the CPU so depending on what the developer needs they have more freedom.
Nope their freedom is limited. Since it is shared one might need more ram than the other. The ps3's cpu has ram, b ut i dont know how much. And so does the Gpu. So the game developers have the freedom of using the full capasity of the ps3. While on the 360, they have to balance it out.
ps3 :System Memory 256 MB XDR 360 :System Memory 512 MB UMA (Shared with GPU)
ps3 : *Video*-*Memory* 256 MB
360: *Video*-*Memory*
512 MB UMA (Shared with CPU)
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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zelda64
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10. December 2005 @ 12:40 |
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Iam getting confused now. If a developer has 512mb of ram to mess about with for either the CPU of GPU then isnt that better than a specific 256 for GPU and 256 CPU?
The way I understant it is that if I was a developer and I only needed 100mb of ram for the CPU then it leaves me the remainder for the GPU (412mb). However if thats the case with the PS3 then it wont give me an advantage like it does with the 360 it will just mean 156mb that wont be used. Can you see what I am saying.
I dont know if this is right but that is how I iterperate it.
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kookoo76
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10. December 2005 @ 12:47 |
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Yes, but there will be an unbalance of ram with either the CPU or GPU. You're confuesing me now lol. And if there is an unbanalnce. It will cause the game to disfuntion, or lag. So that blocks out the "freedome" as you say.
Do you know alot about AMD processors?
Well one will say its 2.1 ghz but it performs at 3ghz.
Same with the ram in ps3.
The 256mb it uses performs at 700mhz. Which is equivalent to the total ram of 360.
AHh but that was oppinion based.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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10. December 2005 @ 13:57 |
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ok this is WAY off the subject, but how do you become like a junior member instead of a newbie.
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kookoo76
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10. December 2005 @ 14:35 |
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Lol, It depend how many posts you have. You can check on "my account" at the top of the page.
The rank change doesnt happen immidietly.it only happens like once a month. It goes newby, junior member, member, senior, addict.
After One month and you have many posts, your rank will go up.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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10. December 2005 @ 20:51 |
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alrighty thanks
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kookoo76
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10. December 2005 @ 21:44 |
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No problem
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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11. December 2005 @ 08:36 |
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kookoo76 do you have a 360? or wating for the PS3??
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kookoo76
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11. December 2005 @ 09:03 |
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waiting for ps3, then after i get the ps3, a year later ill get the 360 or rev
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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11. December 2005 @ 10:52 |
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nice, i got the 360, but i bet i'll get the PS3 also.
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kookoo76
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11. December 2005 @ 10:54 |
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Hows the 360? Lol sorry off topic, i wish i could play it right now. It would be fun to experience the new gen concol.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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11. December 2005 @ 11:03 |
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well i haven't got to play mine yet, (Christmas Present), but my buddy has one it is great, he doesn't have a HDTV, but the graphics and realness are still amazing.
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11. December 2005 @ 12:21 |
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kookoo76
I'm at the end of my rope with you. You've consistently ignored my warnings to clean up the language and now you have a cuss word in your sig. Feel free to rejoin if you wish to abide by our forum rules.
My killer sig came courtesy of bb "El Jefe" mayo.
The Forum Rules You Agreed To! http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487
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12. December 2005 @ 10:48 |
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LOL, you can get bann for dissing you own video card? LOL, its kinda funny.
Nephilim arnt you a bit to harsh there? Sorry i know i shouldnt be saying that to a mod.
Can anyone tell me what the cashe is used for anyway? I didnt get what kookoo76 said on his thread.
WoOt...I aM tHe OnE............
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12. December 2005 @ 12:51 |
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Keep it up kookoo and I'll ban you again. Don't play dumb.
My killer sig came courtesy of bb "El Jefe" mayo.
The Forum Rules You Agreed To! http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487
"And there we saw the giants, and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight" - Numbers 13:33
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ThEeOnE
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12. December 2005 @ 13:37 |
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I'm not kookoo, i said in other threads im his sis. And im not playing dumb.
Can i copy and paste? I dont feel like writing it all down again.
huh,
Actually im his sis, he just told me not to say so.....duno why.
He just told me that hes gonna rejoin soon since you said that he can rejoin if he will like agree with the rules. So hes just waiting for the feedback thingy.
W8 he has a question to, did you meen that he can rejoin from kookoo76 by abiding the rules? Or does he have to make a whole new account. He doesnt have two email accounts*
WoOt...I aM tHe OnE............
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