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avoidz
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4. January 2004 @ 21:10 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm in for the fun and interest of this myself. Watcher, what can you tell me about Macrovision protection on VHS movies, and recording them on the computer? Is there some filter I can install? Thanks :)
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4. January 2004 @ 21:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi Guys Just a quick question i hope someone out there will maybe able to help me with .

Im completley confused in regards to file size of captured files. A dvd disc will allow me to put 4.7gig on it. Im capturing analog from my HI8 camcorder. File sizes of me capturing 30mins is about 4 gig so far.

I want to alteast get an hour and a half to two hours on a blank dvd. From what i have read people are saying that the program used to put the project together with (im using ULEAD DVD WORKSHOP/VIDEO STUDIO)will compress your captured files to make it fit on the cd despite the fact you have more that 4.7 gib on the project>?

I realise (havnt seem to master it yet) that when you capture thats when the compression takes place right? Or am i completley or the chart ?

Just really want to get into this but not getiing the results i had expected. Was much easier 5 years ago when i was 15 and had just a crappy capture card.

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4. January 2004 @ 23:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
> Watcher, what can you tell me about Macrovision protection on VHS movies, and recording them on the computer?


Macrovision is used on most commercial VHS tapes and is intended to ruin any attempts at analogue copying, either via standard composite or S-Vid. It messes with some of the timings of the luminance signal and makes the brightness go up and down on the recording.

To overcome it you usually need some external device that will stabilise the image. They can be bought quite easily over the internet if you want to do a Google for such a device. Some manufacturers even squeeze the electronics into a cable, making for a tidier installation. I believe they have been outlawed in some parts of the world, so you need to check if you're legally entitled to own or purchase such a thing. I do know I recently saw a build-your-own kit from a company in Canada. Which might be interesting just for the challenge of making such a thing.

Some PC video cards can be hacked or flashed to ignore it too. Again that's the sort of information that you can obtain from Google.

A side effect of digital standards conversion will be to remove it also, but they're expensive items to purchase if you're not into making PAL/NTSC conversions, or whatever.

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avoidz
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5. January 2004 @ 00:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks for the info, Watcher :)
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5. January 2004 @ 10:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
well i did all my converts the hard way on the pc with good results
my sister wanted to convert all her tapes to dvd to and i did not want to spend endless hours doing it for here so she bought a panasonic DVD-R RECORDERD WITH 40 GIG HARD DRIVE and i sat with her for about 2 hours going over a few things and she is now turning out perfect dvd-r with no problems and they have great quailty when 1 hour per dvd is used and seam to play on a wide range of of set top players
the only bad thing i can say is that editing is very limited and there is almost no menu abilty
but if you want to convert vhs or dv it has a firewire port also it gives great results

tommays
also i use a sima image stablizer which is sold at bust buy and on the net and it lets any thing be copyed

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5. January 2004 @ 19:29 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well folks I have finally found a suitable method for video capture(for what I am doing). I am attempting to capture with WinDVR @ 20,000kps, 29.97fps, 720x480 then editing in vegas 4.0 and then authoring in DVD-lab.
I have encountered my first problem:
My captured file's audio plays fine, then I attempt to preview the file in vegas and get no audio. Then I attempt to render and get no audio in the render.
any vegas help would be much appriciated
avoidz
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5. January 2004 @ 19:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I used WinDVR (Minion's recommendation) to transfer a VHS Star Wars (original 1977/1997 widescreen tape) to 6000kbps 720x576 PAL DVD. Seems to have copied okay. I guess I can crop the image afterwards (though the subtitles are just slightly below the main frame).

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6. January 2004 @ 10:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well What audio format did you capture to In WinDVR 3.0???? Because if you chose Dolby digital AC3 as the audio Format Vegas Video will not recognize the audio because it and all other editors of this Type do not recognize AC3 audio, You could Demux the audio then decompress it to Wav then Import the Original Captured file into Vegas and then Replace the Blank audio track with the Decompressed Wav audio track and then edit ,You can render the audio in Vegas as AC3 if you wanted to keep the Dolby digital...You would Probably get Better results if you edited with a real Mpeg editor like Mpeg2VCR and then Just re-encoded the Video to DVD Bitrates with a Good encoder Like TMPGEnc or Mainconcept which will produce better results than the Vegas encoder which is a Fairly good encoder but the others are a Bit better...Cheers

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6. January 2004 @ 13:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Minion I would like to know how to get AC3 audio. When I capture in uncompressed AVI i use PCM or when i capture straight to MPEG2 it uses mpg2 audio. Now I don't see an option for AC3 or at least I do not know if I do, I am looking for exactly AC3. Is it a codec I can download or something I really have no idea. Also I tried capturing in the 2 previous formats I mentioned could you tell me what the benefit is in capping in AVI and then encoding and will this method help with Macrovision problems. Thanks
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6. January 2004 @ 17:02 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
This is in WinDVR 3.0 in the DVD audio format selection, It says "Dolby Digital" which is AC3...
It is better to Capture to a Low Compression AVI format because it is a Low compression AVI format, Any Time you capture to a Compressed Format you Loose Quality and especially with Mpeg Capture Programs because they are not very efficient with the bitrate so you will allways get Better Quality if you capture to AVI useing Uncompressed AVI or the HuffyUV Lossless codec and then encodeing with a High Quality encoder which are Much More efficent and are Just better encoders than Capture programs....

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7. January 2004 @ 08:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Minion,
I have crashed!! Having just installed the new pioneer burner I received the Adaptec 4300 firecard and installed it in an open pci slot. Turn on the system and "nada" nothing, no signal, Pulled out the adaptec and tried again and got a 4 beep signal. Tracked it down through process of elimination and it looks like it fried the motherboard AGP slot. Ever heard of this happening? I tried a smaller PCI video card and the system boots back up but only with 16 bit color. So I guess I need a new motherboard. You indicated that you recently built several new systems. Any recommendations in terms of motherboards? I'm need something compatible with all my devices.
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7. January 2004 @ 09:23 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
As a newbie, I have read the posts on this thread and remain somewhat confused. My need is to put old VHS movies on DVD, to preserve them in the best quality reasonably possible. From the posts, it would seem that I need to capture to an AVI file and then encode to DVD MPEG2.

The best way to get help is to describe my current doings/undoings - I captured a 2 hour 7 minute movie using a WinFast 2000XP Deluxe capture card and recorded directly to DVD using Sonic MyDVD. I wanted to have the movie on only one DVD disk and was given three options by MYDVD: BEST(720x480 at 8 Mbps yielding 60 minutes on a single DVD), BETTER (352x480 at 4 Mbps yielding 120 minutes on a single DVD), and GOOD(352x240 at 2Mbps yielding 180 minutes on a single DVD). Because of the movie length, I had to select the "GOOD" setting which, needless to say, was not my idea of good quality.

My questions are: What software do I need to capture to AVI and then, what software do I need to encode from AVI to DVD MPEG2 ? Are there any provisions to optimize capture quality for varying movie lengths so that I can adjust in accordance with what I can get on a single DVD? Is it better to adjust the VHS to AVI capture resolution or the MPEG compression?

Thanks for listening.
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7. January 2004 @ 10:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well I finally created a quality caoture in VirtualDub. I created a 19.2gb file in HuffyUV codec. Then once I import media into Vegas, the picture is colrfully grainy and inverted.audio is fine though, preview is fine. even tried trimming it down and rendering it, still video is FUBARD. Any help? is it the AVI 2gig limit? any way around that? Can VirtualDub break it down into 2gig pieces?
Minion
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7. January 2004 @ 11:47 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
DVDkid: The Reason why the Color is Inverted in Vegas Video with files encoded with the HuffyUV codec is because Huffyuv captures the Video useing the YUV colorspace and Many programs do not suppoer this Colorspace but there is a Setting in the HuffYUV codec settings that will Fix this, Just click the Button next to "Allways suggest RGB Output Format" then when you Load your AVI into Vegas it is converted to RGB Colorspace so you will be able to See the Images ,Abd yes you can edit with Virtual Dub and a LOT faster than with any other program , Just load in your AVI file and set the Audio and Video to "Direct stream Copy" and set your In points and out Points and then go to "File" to "Save AVI" and it will save the File with No Quality differance and in only a few Minutes, when you edit in Vegas you will allways Loose some Quality because it will allways re-render the file were with Virtual Dub on direct Stream Copy it doesn"t re-render the file....

GAloys: If you use a Simple Program Like Virtual-Dub or Virtual-VCR to capture to full resolution AVI useing the HuffYUV codec and then used a Good Mpeg encoder like TMPGEnc or MainConcept to encode your Captured file to Mpeg2/DVD and then authored the file to DVD-R you will get Better Quality than you would captureing directly to Mpeg with MyDVD and you would be able to get Much More Video in a DVD because a Good encoder can Produce Better Quality at a Lower bitrate than Captureing to Mpeg with a Capture Program Like MyDVD....

gcchaser:You Never said what Type of Processor you have But there are a Lot of Budget Motherboards out there that are Very Stable and Inexpensive and have a Lot of the Newer Features Like ATA/133 and 8X AGP and Onboard Lan ect..One newer Company that Makes very Stable Budget Motherboards is called "Asrock" they are owned By Asus and they make very Inexpensive but very Stable Motherboards ,They don"t have a Lot of Overclocking Features but they are Rock solid and Cheap I picked up a Model For a P4 called the PE Pro HT that I used for close to a Year without a Hitch at all then Sold it in one of My PC"s and it is still running strong and it was Only $40 New..Another Company that Makes Fairly good Cheap Boards is ECS which is What I"m useing Now with my P-4 ,the Modell I"m useing is the ECS L4VXA2 which has an 8X AGP and Really Good Overclocking Features and supports the 3.06GHZ 533fsb HT CPU ,I have a P-4 2,53ghz CPU in it and have it overclocked to 2.8ghz and it is Very stable and the temp Rarely ever gets past 30 Celcius so I"m sure I could put it up to 3ghz+ without much Problem ,These Motherboard Run about $40-$50 ,I actually Just Bought 2 of them in a Combo with Intel 2.5ghz Processors for $115 which is Pretty Damn cheap for a Motherboard & 2.5ghz CPU Combo ,I find Most of my stuff on E-Bay because it you really put your head into it you can get Really Cheap Deals accept the Shipping can be a Bitch..I have a Guy that I get Most of my Motherboards and CPU"s From on e-bay if you want I can hook you up with him or if you tell me What Type of CPU you have (Speed,Model,FSB speed)I can Try to Look for something for you....Cheers

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8. January 2004 @ 15:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Minion,
After sending you my last note I bought the ECS L4VXA2 with a p-4 2.6Mhz cpu. I sent $159 on sale, you got one heck of a deal on yours. My ATI AGP card wouldn't work so I went with a ATI radeon 9200 8X. I'm sure I will find benefits in my new upgrades when it comes to video editing. cheers
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9. January 2004 @ 06:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Ok I have to date made one five minute test video that actually worked on a stand alone DVD player. That method didn't work with a huge a 1hr 15m file.
Here's what I'm doing (wrong):
First I capture my home video (VHS) to AVI (HuffYUV codec) in VirtualDub. Then I import the file into Vegas to trim off the beginning, dead spaces in the middle, and end. I also add a few transitions. The I goto "Render as..." render it to an AC3 (Audio: 192 Kbps, 48,000 Hz, Stereo 2/0 coding) Then I render the video stream as a .M2V (Video: 29.97 fps, 720x480 variable bitrate 192,000-8,000,000bps NTSC DVD-compliant). Then I import those elementary streams into DVD-Lab (I've tried DVD Architect, but prefer the ease of use with DVD-Lab). After creating my menus, adding chapter points and saving my layout, I tried to compile the DVD into a Video_TS folder and during the muxing process I get an error that says something along the lines of "The compilation process can't be continued and has been aborted. If your source files are not-elementary files, Demux it first and try again. If this doesn't work re-encode your file."
I had originally rendered as one MPEG and demuxed it in DVD-Lab, this didn't work, so I tried rendering the original AVI into two elementary streams.
Currently I think it is a problem with my audio, because I tried compiling the movie with no audio and it (doing it right now) and it did not error in the muxing process, well maybe because there is nothing to mux it with, but no errors, and it still muxed in the compile process. What should the parameters be on my AC3 DVD compliant audio stream?
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9. January 2004 @ 11:29 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well I have never had that Problem and I get Most of my Audio files from Vegas as AC3 audio...I just use the default setting useing Stereo at 192kbs...Well I"m stumped as I do not know what the Problem is ,The only thing i do differently is I usually use a different Mpeg encoder, I would usually render my AVI file useing the HuffYUV codec and Render it to AC3 then encode the Video with something like CCE and then add my 3:2 Pulldown Flags and author to DVD with DVD-Lab...Was the Video Rendered as a M2V file or was it a Mpg file that you remaned to M2V?? If so you Might try Running the File through a Demultiplexor to remove the audio header but this is all I can think Of...good luck

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9. January 2004 @ 12:03 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Minion can you explain the difference between .mpv and m2v? I tried using CCE and wound up with a m2v file that I had no luck with in DVD lab. What I do is capture in Huffy UV run it through premiere (because I could not figure out Vegas, but I will ask you about that later).Next I encode with Mainconcept which seems to be the fastest encoder I have found. I then import to DVD lab and it demuxes into .mpv and lpcm. It seems to work for me but I have heard good things about CCE and would like to know what makes it so great. Also could you explain the difference in AC3 audio and PCM? I still do not know how to achieve AC3. Thanks alot
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9. January 2004 @ 12:58 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
There is absolutly no Differance between Mpv and M2v they are interchangeable so if DVD-Lab will not accept one then rename it to the other...There is a Big Differance between LPCM and AC3 ,LPCM is the same as Wav format or PCM it is also the same as the Audio Format on CD"s ,It is basicly just Uncompressed Audio...AC3 is a Very Compressed Audio format also Known as "Dolby Digital" the File sizes of AC3 can be up to 1/8 the size of a LPCM Audio Track and with simular quality so that is why it is the prefered format for Audio in DVD"s...Vegas Video 4 has a AC3 encoder and so Does Premier Pro But the one in Premier Pro only works 3 times and you have to Buy a special Licence for it that costs a fortune ,With vegas 4 you just need to have DVD architect Installed to Encode to AC3....As For "CCE SP 2.67" I Rate it as the Fastest and Most High Quality Mpeg2 Encoder out there but it is Difficult to use Because it does not have any filters to Change the resolution or for CLeaning up the Video Quality so you have to use a Frameserver like AVISynth in Many Cases to use it to it"s Potential..It"s encodeing speed is Extremely fast,I have been able to encode to DVD at 3 Times Real time ,CCE is also the encoder that Supports up to 9 Pass Encodeing ,It is the encoder I use 90% of the time.....Cheers

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10. January 2004 @ 04:41 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Minion, here is another small problem I have. When I add background music to the menu of a dvd it is way to loud and sounds distorted coming through my tv which is not hooked up to surround sound. Using Goldwave or anything else is there a way to make my background music more tv friendly?
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10. January 2004 @ 11:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well yes you can allways use something like Goldwave or Sound Forge to Normalize the Audio.....

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15. January 2004 @ 16:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I've read through this thread and noted a few people that are having the same problem I'm having. I may have missed the answer so I apologize if I'm reiterating a solved issue.
I recently installed a MSI FX5200 VT128 Personal Cinema card into my machine a connected a VHS machine to it using a composite cable. Everything was fine until I view the recording. It has a white horizontal band or blank area covering the middle third of the image. I've tried different tapes but to no avail.
I was told this could be a Macrovision issue and that an older WDM would solve the problem but again no go. I would have thought that a Macrovision issue would result in a pulsing luminance not a stable white band! Anyway, just wondering if anyone has found a solution.

Thanks
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2. February 2004 @ 15:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
New VHS movie back up to DVD. I heard that if you play your VHS movie through a pre 1986 VCR & save it to your HD, it removes the encryption/macrovision. Any comments on this.
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2. February 2004 @ 16:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The Affects of Macrovision are allmost allways a Image that Goes Dark and then Light ,Pulsateing between the two, I think your Problem is Something else...I"m not saying this is your Problem But I once has a problem that sounds simular to yours were the Captured file had a Dark thick Black Stripe going through the Top 1/3 of the Image, I think this Problem was due to me Trying to capture to a PAL Resolution on a NTSC Capture device....Why don"t you try Recording some TV and see if that works, or Try a Different Resolution or even a Different Capture Program.........

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3. February 2004 @ 04:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Sorry for the lack of clarity in my 2 February 2004 message and maybe I am not using the right termonology. I am new to all this and I am on a learning curve.

I have succeeded in backing up my store purchased DVD movies by using a free software from a shareware site - this software decrypts and then shrinks the data onto a 4.7 GB disk. I have a lot of VHS movie tapes that I purchased over the years and I am trying to back them up onto 4.7 GB disks. Some will back up with no problem. Others back up but when I try to replay them a note saying "COPY PROTECTED" pops up on the screen and the frame freezes not allowing the movie to advance any further. I heard that if you use a pre 1986 VCR and feed the VHS signal into the TV "in" on the TV card that it might work. If this is correct, I am assuming there is something in the electronics of the older VCRs that allows this. I thought this might be an easy solution, maybe not. My problem is not a video distortion one, but rather how to get decrypted the data and get it onto my hard drive. The "Sonic" software that came with my computer won't decrypt the data but willlet it be recorded and sent to the HD. Notice that I may be using decryption and macrovision as the same thing but from Minion's message it looks like they are not. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks for the help.

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