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article published on 15 February, 2008
It seems that over the course of the last month, HD DVD has been taking loss after loss, but it seems the giant retailer Wal-Mart has finally put the final nail in the coffin.
The company announced this morning that it has chosen sides in the next-gen format war and that by June it will only be stocking Blu-ray Disc players, completely dropping HD DVD in the process.
Susan Chronister, ... [ read the full article ]
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jagstilv
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15. February 2008 @ 21:13 |
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Originally posted by jrosado5:
So if everyone agrees that HD was the better format in terms of price/performance and had a finalized standard, then why the hell didn't everyone support the format and instead support the non consumer friendly format. Please answer the question Blu-Ray fans. I am very curious why all the hatred for the better format. People just don't make sense anymore, letting corporations decide for us. From the Red camp, we fought for our format because we knew it was better than Blu-Ray in many fronts. It wasn't about pride, it was about what was best for the consumer. Why did you Blu-Ray fans stick with your format when you know it has so many unesolved issues? Was it your pride?
Not everyone agrees that HD-DVD is the better format, so from the begining your logic is flawed. I've still yet to hear a valid reason why Blu-ray is non-consumer friendly. Saying that it has more DRM (BD+) than HD-DVD doesn't make the product anti-consumer - it makes it anti-pirate. I own 100+ DVD's that I started collecting since 1999 - I've never had to make a 'back-up' just in case in all these years. It seems the only people complaining about BD are HD-DVD fanatics and people pissed that it'll be more difficult to pirate movies. Thank you for trying to save me from big bad corporate Sony though. You remind me of when I lived in SoCal and people were trying to save me from second hand smoke, red meat and McDonald's - thanks but no thanks.
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hughjars
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15. February 2008 @ 21:18 |
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Originally posted by Xian:
One thing that continues to amaze me is how many people still equate Blu-Ray with Sony exclusively.
- The PS3 as the only Blu-ray player likely to be a 'safe' buy (given the Bu-ray multiple profile mess) has ensured that the other CE support to date has either been a disaster (ref the Samsung debacle) or an expensive waste of time selling minute numbers.
Lately they have been reduced to giving them away for 'free' in certain HD TV deals.
Originally posted by Xian:
I just feel bad for the early adopters that paid a premium for HD DVD.
- I wouldn't worry too much about that.
Every HD DVD player on the market since day 1 has been an excellent SD DVD upscaling player (the match of many of the very high-end SD DVD players costing several times their price) and we still have a (growing) catalogue of 470+ HD DVD titles (in westernm markets 800+ worldwide).
Anyone who bought in the last few months got their HD A3 or HD AEP30 or HD A/EP35 or Venturer with a nice stack of freebie discs making them a bargain no matter what has been happening elsewhere.
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15. February 2008 @ 21:19 |
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Originally posted by defgod:
As eatsushi said we never had a say in the matter. Only because the studios chose what format they want to use. And can anyone guess why most have chosen BD over HD?
ANSWER: better craptacular DRM
That is the one and only reason these studios went to BD. So they could force us to buy every movie they sell. At very high prices to recoup their supposed losses over the last several years.
Hopefully some very good hacker will create an algorithm to break BD before it is all said and done. And I know that anyDVD says they have. But that doesn't account for the ability to change their DRM structure. I don't remember off the top of my head the actual name of it.
I haven't yet made a choice yet which format to go with. I also haven't purchased any player yet. I'm content with waiting until it ends to purchase the player with the features I want and the price I want.
^ And this is exactly why we have DRM. Is it any wonder why companies would want to protect their product?
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15. February 2008 @ 21:21 |
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why are they going market it as good dvd upscaler it's not that great not even regin free to me not as good as OPPO Up-Converting DVD Player. i knew it before when warner first said going pullout that hddvd going take a dump anyways glad there only going be one hd format so much for the war didn't last long.
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16. February 2008 @ 01:39 |
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Looks like I invested in the wrong player
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interesting..... #1 retailer in the world drops HD-DVD. I have heard many things in this whole arguement.
1) If the consumer didn't choose the format victor, why did BR consistently sell more discs?
It was my understanding that certain studios on each side chose based on what they thought was best and some were paid. Both sides were guilty of psuedo no competitive practices. BR was consistently winning though. The real statement is "The consumer was choosing the wrong product". In the end it doesn't really matter which one wins, the result will be very similar when HDM goes mainstream.
2) If HD-DVD really is here to stay, where are they going to sell the players? How long until we consider them not direct competition?
Those clinging to this dying format really need to take a look around them. I was once a PS3 fanboy, I had to face the hard reality that competition is really rough this go around. I own a PS3 and a Wii, someday this year I will own a 360. It's just F'n games right? The real gamers don't care about systems. HDDVD is BR are so close to the same that it is splitting hairs with backing one or the other. Sure, I understand a preference but being as die hard as the two sides are is just crazy, even ludicrous.
3) If the HDM market is consistently growing, and news stories are consistently showing SDM slipping more and more each month, why is there an assumption the BR will never succeed when HD-DVD is gone? Wouldn't it be fair to say BR has the exact same chance HD-DVD has if HDDVD has won the format war? Therefore isn't the argument that BR will never conquer DVD is silly because you therefore are arguing that any HD format would have lost to SD and you must have wasted your time by adopting either and coming to these boards to rant about your pick.
There is one thing that puts a smile on my face coming here to watch flame wars. Someone is always going to lose these wars. At the end of the day the people that visit these boards are addicts of there flavor of technology. In this case it is HD movies. What truly puts a smile on my face is the fact that the people that cling to a dying format will someday walk into their flavor or retailer and buy the competing sides product. It always works that way. In this case it looks to be the HD supporters that will one day be buying a BR player. That keeps me smiling because humility is something we all need to experience at some point. I'm sure many a people that I pissed off on numerous message boards would love to be there the day I buy my 360.
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hughjars, I just want to ask you one simple and very to answer question. I just want to hear you say it. The rule is you can only answer with a maximum of 7 characters... Are you ready? You may need some counselling after you answer this question. It might really hurt you and scar you indefinitely. I am truly sorry to do this to you my friend... Ok, here goes...
Which format is in a better market position today, Blu-ray or HD-DVD?
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hughjars
Face it bro HDVD has lost and BR will most likely replace DVD in 4-7 years.
On the up side BR has been fully cracked.
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Report from Japanese news network NHK: Toshiba is suspending all HD DVD player production:
http://www.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/
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Toshiba plans to withdraw from HD-DVD production
Toshiba Corporation has decided to withdraw from next generation high-definition DVD production.
Toshiba has been struggling with its version of the next generation DVD format, as support for Blu-ray technology has spread among US retailers.
Toshiba has been in heated competition with other Japanese electronic giants such as Sony, Panasonic and Hitachi, which produce the high-definition DVD format, Blu-ray.
The Blu-ray format now makes up 90 percent of the Japanese high-definition DVD market after winning last year's price war for DVD recorders and players.
Toshiba faced even more difficulty when the major movie studio, Warner Brothers Entertainment, announced that it planned to use only the Blu-ray format for its movie software.
The company said it will continue to sell HD-DVD products for a while but will stop further development of HD DVD. Meanwhile, it said its DVD factories in Aomori Prefecture, northern Japan, would be closed.
Market observers said that Toshiba could suffer a loss of hundreds of millions of US dollars.
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-155...TV+NHK+%21.html
The following is pure speculation on my part:
The rash of recent announcements from retail and rental could be explained by the fact that Toshiba has already informed them of their plans for a graceful exit. Things could already be in place for a relatively smooth transition that ensures that everyone involved in HD DVD saves face (very important in Japanese business).
Added: Confirmed by Reuters-
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsu...627196120080216
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Toshiba to exit HD DVD, end format war-NHK
Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:50am EST
TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp is planning to stop production of equipment compatible with the HD DVD format for high-definition video, allowing the competing Blu-Ray camp a free run, public broadcaster NHK reported on Saturday.
Toshiba is expected to suffer losses amounting to tens of billions of yen (hundreds of millions of dollars) to scrap production of HD DVD players and recorders and other steps to exit the business, Japan's NHK said on its website.
No one at Toshiba could be reached for comment.
The format war between the Toshiba-backed HD DVD and Sony Corp's Blu-Ray, often compared to the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, has slowed the development of what is expected to be a multibillion dollar high-definition DVD industry.
Toshiba was dealt a blow on Friday when Wal-Mart Stores Inc said it would abandon the HD DVD format, becoming the latest in a series of top retailers and movie studios to rally behind Blu-ray technology for high definition DVDs.
Toshiba plans to continue selling HD DVD equipment at stores for the time being but will not put resources into developing new devices, NHK said.
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
hughjars, I just want to ask you one simple and very to answer question. I just want to hear you say it. The rule is you can only answer with a maximum of 7 characters... Are you ready? You may need some counselling after you answer this question. It might really hurt you and scar you indefinitely. I am truly sorry to do this to you my friend... Ok, here goes...
Which format is in a better market position today, Blu-ray or HD-DVD?
Update: Which format has a position in the market today, Blu-ray or HD-DVD? :-P
In all honesty, I am trying to make light of yet another heated Blu-ray/HD-DVD thread because some of these threads have become very amusing. I have to say though that I do feel empathy for the HD-DVD supporters who bought a product in good faith that they will be looked after by the parent company and subsidiaries, only to face such a let down. When these two formats came into the market place, it was obvious that the end wouldn't be pretty and a lot of people would get hurt along the way. When two corporate giants such as Sony and Toshiba are going head to head then the competition is certainly going to be fierce and heated.
As juankerr said, the Japanese culture is very much about pride. It's very important for them to gracefully accept defeat with as much honor and pride intact as possible. I can back this up as being accurate with a lifetime of Martial Arts training, studying Japanese ways and culture and also my visits to Japan. Not to get too personal and off track, but they truly have a wonderful, respectful culture and I believe we can all benefit from being a bit more humble.
With that said, it would be nice to see a bit more humility on these threads and a few more men being men. We should always accept a situation for what it is.
It's obvious we are all passionate about Home Theater, Gaming, PC's, Music etc., so don't we all have something in common? Why can't we all just be friends? I think it's most important to see the positive in a situation and with every bit of adversity lies opportunity, even if it is simply the opportunity to learn to accept defeat or a loss with tolerance and humility. So let's get back to the reason why Afterdawn was created in the first place... To expand our knowledge on current technology, to keep up to date with the latest software and most importantly to help others when they are in need. Remember, we were there at one time also.
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Ryu77: Domo arigato.
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Originally posted by juankerr:
Ryu77: Domo arigato.
Hai! Do itashe mashite!... :-)
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Now while I have no stake in Toshiba or Sony, their both big companies that exist to make money... bottom line... and don't give me the repeated "oh my God they used root-kit's" repeated crap ad nauseum... if we all hung every product a company ever made on 1 stupid move... we wouldn't buy from anyone.
Now to your comment "jrosado5". That's a pretty condescending attitude and sounds more like sour grapes than an honest question. Who honestly doles out their hard earned cash en masse due to stubbornness or pride... or you just think we're all stupid and can't see what you think is the obvious answer. I'm a democrat that may not understand why republicans voted for George Bush, but I don't just believe there all idiots or voted out of spite.
People spent their money, thereby voted on their choice of systems based on the information they had at their finger tips. I was buying a tv last October and an HD source and while I was walking through electronics stores, I had many a sales man pushing HD-DVD on my and anyone who happened to be with me, but I wasn't sold... know why? HD-DVD simply didn't have what I wanted. they had 30% of available films exclusive and another 20% shared from Warner Brothers... total 50% of what was on the market... Blu-ray had 50% exclusivity and 20% shared from Warner, so 70% of all films available I could get on Blu-ray. Not to mention they had Disney in their stable... which is huge not only for me but my kids.
I didn't care about DRM... I didn't care about interactive online content. I didn't know about the extent of issues some people had with what version of blu-ray they had, but what I did know about it, I wasn't concerned because if I was going blu-ray, I was going to get the one that was future proof... the PS3. I did care that at the time the only true 1080p films seemed to be blu-ray. I did care that there was more space blu-ray compared layer to layer.
The same thing happened when I went to get my TV... I was sure I was going to get a Plasma, either Samsung or Panasonic... but in my search, reading up on product and going to look at them myself, I bought a 52" Sony Bravia LCD along with my PS3...
Did I invest all my hard earned cash because I'm a Sony fanboy or "pride" made me want to by a lesser product... No... how stupid does that sound. I bought what I felt was going to give me the most of what I wanted... not what Sony wanted, not what Toshiba wanted... What I wanted. An awesome system, that looks great, wows everyone that comes into my house and plays all the stuff I want. I would never suggest that someone who bought an HD-DVD player with Shrek 3 at a great price did it just out of pride to support a dying product, they did it because it seemed like a good deal on something they wanted... how is that any different than anyone's purchase.
I know it may seem shocking but most consumers do actually have a brain in their head, and somehow, manage to make decisions for themselves everyday. While I may not have made the same purchase choices as some of my friends (buddy spent the same amount of cash as me on a 60" sony rear projection hdtv) I get that they made the decision based on what they wanted to get (in his case size was more important than image sharpness)not what I thought "the informed masses" were doing.
If all the studios abandoned Blu-ray en masse because their executives were caught in the act of interspecies erotica and all the stuff I wanted was HD-DVD, I'd have a player in my house pretty quick.
But they don't... and they didn't... so I didn't... and neither did the majority of HD adopters.. end of story.
That's just my penny times 2.
Jim
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Well if the latest reports are true then it was fun while it lasted.
Pity about the poor old consumer though, the least consumer-friendly format may have 'won' - but only in relation to the 'battle' between HD DVD & BD - and only then because of the back-room dealing.
I'm not so bothered, I honestly doubt BD will ever escape the niche.
Personally I shall be looking forward to buying up a stack of HD DVDs at tiny prices.
I will not be buying Blu-ray.
I don't want a game console for my movie player and once the PS3 is discarded from the equation then BD has nothing appealing to me.
I am not paying £200/$400+ for a stand-alone player and in any event I will wait a very long time to see how they go about using BD+ etc etc.
But I have no need for Blu-ray anyways.
I have my HD DVDs,
I have my HD TV service & DVR (these will be the real winners this time out),
I have my 600+ upscaled SD DVD movies (and SD DVD isn't going away anywhere) and
a ton of downloads (over 400 Blu-ray films are available on the net right now).
There's a saying, be careful what you wish for.
I think it applies perfectly to the PS3/Blu-ray fanclub & this matter.
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16. February 2008 @ 12:06 |
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^^Boo Hoo^^ I'm crying cause you wont buy into Blu.
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Originally posted by glasssd:
^^Boo Hoo^^ I'm crying cause you wont buy into Blu.
I know for fact youve been warned before, take another break from AD.
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Another Reuters report this time quoting a source from inside Toshiba:
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSL1643184420080216
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A source at Toshiba confirmed an earlier report by public broadcaster NHK that it was getting ready to pull the plug.
"We have entered the final stage of planning to make our exit from the next generation DVD business," said the source, who asked not to be identified. He added that an official announcement could come as early as next week.
It looks like we'll be seeing an announcement from Toshiba ahead of any word from Paramount or Universal.
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Originally posted by error5:
Another Reuters report this time quoting a source from inside Toshiba:
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSL1643184420080216
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A source at Toshiba confirmed an earlier report by public broadcaster NHK that it was getting ready to pull the plug.
"We have entered the final stage of planning to make our exit from the next generation DVD business," said the source, who asked not to be identified. He added that an official announcement could come as early as next week.
It looks like we'll be seeing an announcement from Toshiba ahead of any word from Paramount or Universal.
I wonder when they will fire up BR payer production, if they drp HD DVD they could simi smoothly transcend over to BR production..
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I wonder when they will fire up BR payer production, if they drp HD DVD they could simi smoothly transcend over to BR production..
I tend to agree with juankerr's earlier post. Toshiba's announcement could come with details of a BluRay capable player, most likely NOT a dual format IMO. If Toshiba can make a BD model that's as reliable and as well-built as my XA2 then I'll be taking a long hard look at it (especially if it comes with a Reon chip).
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As a person I am not attacking you at all Hughjars but two things you have said I am going to doubt. Healthy debate right?
1) I honestly doubt BR will be anything more than a niche market.
Come on, with the track record you have on being right about the HD media market you will still say things like this? A person could have gotten rich betting money for BR each time you staunchly defended HD. I actually went and read back a bunch of HD posts last night and you were in a lot of them. I'm not sure I saw one post that actually worked out to your prediction. All the market analysts show that HD is the next massive format to hit homes. Sure it won't be like DVD, but it will in time replace DVD as the #1 format. Digital distribution will go up to, but they don't really have a viable "iTunes" like option at this point that people are ready to massively buy into. I do beleve in digital distribution, but it's inability to service quality to the likes of BR and HDDVD will keep it held back.
2) I will not be buying BR.
You are obviously a fan of media, HD media even. That being said I would never believe a true fan of technology would hold back in buying a product only because "their chosen format didn't win the format war". If you look inwards nice and deep you'll see that it is really pride stopping you from buying one. Someday when all your friends have BR players and everyone as these really cool setups, you'll look at your HDDVD upconverter and say, "Man, I need to get Transformers 32 in HD". You'll eventually buy one, I would put money on it.
When PS3 came out and was heavily battered by Wii and 360, I bought a Wii. I am even thinking to buy a 360 even though I trash talked it on these forums forever. That's what makes me a fan of video games.
Sticking with your HDDVD player and saying "I won't buy BR" even though it is the industry standard doesn't show a fan of films or a fan of the media technology, it shows a fan of a company.
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Originally posted by Ludikhris:
As a person I am not attacking you at all Hughjars but two things you have said I am going to doubt. Healthy debate right?
1) I honestly doubt BR will be anything more than a niche market.
Come on, with the track record you have on being right about the HD media market you will still say things like this? A person could have gotten rich betting money for BR each time you staunchly defended HD. I actually went and read back a bunch of HD posts last night and you were in a lot of them. I'm not sure I saw one post that actually worked out to your prediction. All the market analysts show that HD is the next massive format to hit homes. Sure it won't be like DVD, but it will in time replace DVD as the #1 format. Digital distribution will go up to, but they don't really have a viable "iTunes" like option at this point that people are ready to massively buy into. I do beleve in digital distribution, but it's inability to service quality to the likes of BR and HDDVD will keep it held back.
2) I will not be buying BR.
You are obviously a fan of media, HD media even. That being said I would never believe a true fan of technology would hold back in buying a product only because "their chosen format didn't win the format war". If you look inwards nice and deep you'll see that it is really pride stopping you from buying one. Someday when all your friends have BR players and everyone as these really cool setups, you'll look at your HDDVD upconverter and say, "Man, I need to get Transformers 32 in HD". You'll eventually buy one, I would put money on it.
When PS3 came out and was heavily battered by Wii and 360, I bought a Wii. I am even thinking to buy a 360 even though I trash talked it on these forums forever. That's what makes me a fan of video games.
Sticking with your HDDVD player and saying "I won't buy BR" even though it is the industry standard doesn't show a fan of films or a fan of the media technology, it shows a fan of a company.
Meh the way the market works one it hits the price range thats inline with DVD it will simply phase DVD out, do you think the media and hardware mafia will continue to release stuff on DVD when tis bottom line is no worse than DVD?
Of coarse it will take 5 years to grow outside a a small niche but its coming because the corporations will make deals with themselfs to move the masses to it and the masses will no option other than to buy the only thing they are selling...
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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Originally posted by Ludikhris:
Come on, with the track record you have on being right about the HD media market you will still say things like this?
- Well if you want to play that little game that's up to you.
Most serious observers know that this came within a hair's breadth of going exactly as I described (and as I was myself being informed).
The Universal Ken Graffeo interview supports my statements, they all were on their way to CES on their planes believing they had it all signed & sealed.
At some point in future the details will leak out & we'll hear what we missed (like the Tosh 360 tie up & the 2 Blu studios who were in negotiation).
You might even hear what was going on since the WB announcement & in the last couple of weeks and how close things came a 2nd time to getting really interesting for HD DVD.
Originally posted by Ludikhris:
All the market analysts show that HD is the next massive format to hit homes.
- I have no doubt.
But this time it's going to be DVRs tied in with your satellite/cable deal that make the big splash.
Originally posted by Ludikhris:
Sure it won't be like DVD, but it will in time replace DVD as the #1 format.
- Blu-ray?
You must be joking.
Expensive, unfinished and too late to the party (by the time it is complete & available in a mass-market-friendly range of prices & specs).
Besides there is still absolutely no indication of the general public being in the least bit interested in paying the premium for what they get for it.
You and I might go all gooey over high def but how many times have you shown it off expecting an enthusiastic reaction only to get told 'it's not that much different' and to be laughed at when told the pricing (and in my case that's the much lower HD DVD pricing)?
Stop kidding yourself.
Originally posted by Ludikhris:
Digital distribution will go up to, but they don't really have a viable "iTunes" like option at this point that people are ready to massively buy into.
- That will come (and as iTunes themselves only took 3 months to match and pass Blu-ray sales I don't doubt the interest or success - all of which is diluting the market and meaning Blu-ray can never simply be 'the next DVD' because that market, as it was, is long gone.
HD DVD could have done it in a very smooth way by simply becoming DVD thanks to it's low prices & the Twin disc (& to a lesser extent the combo) which left no-one behind when the switch was made to high def.
Blu-ray can never do that (they do not have the rights)
Originally posted by Ludikhris:
I do beleve in digital distribution, but it's inability to service quality to the likes of BR and HDDVD will keep it held back.
- I think you are seriously & wildly over-estimating the mass-market's interest in the 'nth degree' of either visual or audio quality.
Originally posted by Ludikhris:
I would never believe a true fan of technology would hold back in buying a product only because "their chosen format didn't win the format war".
- ......and that is absolutely not why I will never buy into Blu-ray.
This isn't like supporting a football team.
There are real and serious concerns I have about Blu-ray that I cannot support.
Their profile mess is the most obvious but the DRM/security matters (and the track record of a major backer with things like root kits) is also of great importance to me.
Originally posted by Ludikhris:
If you look inwards nice and deep you'll see that it is really pride stopping you from buying one.
- Seriously, you are dead wrong.
I know there are those who dismiss this kind of stuff but IMO Blu-ray is a calculated attack on the sharing community.
I can never & will never give them a penny.
If they drop movie prices to DVD levels and get a sensible range of players at decent prices and ditch BD+ (and their watermarking) and show a couple of years without using rootkits or anything similar then I might reconsider.
But you know as well as I that they are never going to do that.
Blu-ray 'becoming like a better DVD at current DVD prices' was never in the BD script.
(which is why the mass-market will ignore it)
Originally posted by Ludikhris:
Someday when all your friends have BR players
- You're fooling yourself.
The mass-market is not going Blu, no matter how many PS3s they sell.
Originally posted by Ludikhris:
Sticking with your HDDVD player and saying "I won't buy BR" even though it is the industry standard doesn't show a fan of films or a fan of the media technology, it shows a fan of a company.
- .....and like I said if you honestly think those are my reasons for avoiding BD then you could not be more wrong.
I am happy to have an honest debate on the merits or otherwise of the situation but lets at least stick to what I have actually said.
.....and btw the 'company supporter' thing is wrong.
I'm no more interested in a Blu-ray game console than I am an HD DVD game console.
I did buy an XBox 360 HD DVD add-on as the least expensive way into high def just over a year ago but it had nothing to do with games and certainly was not the then £425 the PS3 cost (it was £119 IIRC).
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16. February 2008 @ 17:12 |
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Lately a few posts I have made on these Blu-ray/HD-DVD threads seem to get totally ignored... Is it 1) Because my posts prove a point that no-one wants to admit? or 2) Because my posts make no sense at all?
I honestly don't know because most of the following posts seemed to get back to the I'm right because.... blah, blah, blah!
I know it's an open forum meant for discussion but some of these threads go way too far. Some of the points made are clearly born out of dislike for Sony and their success. I could almost say it represents jealousy. I feel that emotion itself is a sign of immaturity which would explain some of the patterns in these threads.
If it was the other way around and HD-DVD became the successor of DVD, I can guarantee you that I would still be saying positive things about HD-DVD. Actually if it was the other way around where we sit today, I would start looking around to purchase a HD-DVD player because I am a Home Theater enthusiast after all.
hughjars, you still didn't answer my question... :-P
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16. February 2008 @ 19:56 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
Which format is in a better market position today, Blu-ray or HD-DVD?
- Between those 2?
On what appears to be the facts as they are today?
Well from the look of things right now it looks like Blu-ray holds the best ground (but we await official confirmation & direct statements).
But I doubt very much that it is as simplistic a situation as you clearly want to imply.
It's still perfectly plausible that Blu-ray can come out of this in the long-run 'winning' absolutely nothing and failing to make the leap out of the niche.
Does that answer your question?
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16. February 2008 @ 21:04 |
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ryu77:
Which format is in a better market position today, Blu-ray or HD-DVD?
- Between those 2?
On what appears to be the facts as they are today?
Well from the look of things right now it looks like Blu-ray holds the best ground (but we await official confirmation & direct statements).
But I doubt very much that it is as simplistic a situation as you clearly want to imply.
It's still perfectly plausible that Blu-ray can come out of this in the long-run 'winning' absolutely nothing and failing to make the leap out of the niche.
Does that answer your question?
Its official more of less.
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12950.cfm
I'd give HDVD a 10% chance of toppling BR but rankly.....its done.
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