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article published on 15 February, 2008
It seems that over the course of the last month, HD DVD has been taking loss after loss, but it seems the giant retailer Wal-Mart has finally put the final nail in the coffin.
The company announced this morning that it has chosen sides in the next-gen format war and that by June it will only be stocking Blu-ray Disc players, completely dropping HD DVD in the process.
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16. February 2008 @ 22:02 |
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hughjars, you broke the rules... Come on! The limit was 7 characters with your answer. The rules of the game were clear. I knew you couldn't do it. If I was Jigsaw, you wouldn't be feeling too good right about now. :-P
Yes, it does answer my question in a round about kind of way. As Zippy said though, it looks official enough to me. If you don't think so... Well...
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16. February 2008 @ 22:32 |
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Here's the gig, i have very little preference as i own both format players. But...
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If you don't think so... Well...
Fact is...the truth still remains the truth whether it is believed or not.
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16. February 2008 @ 23:32 |
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Originally posted by 7thsinger:
Fact is...the truth still remains the truth whether it is believed or not.
I agree completely but trying to prove that point to some on this forum is hopeless. I wanted to keep my posts here as simple as possible, which is why I asked hughjars for a 7 character answer, which he couldn't even do. I could go on filling up half a thread page with my point of view like some have done here but the way I see it... Is it really worth it?
I have better things to do with my time. I would rather participate in a conversation surrounded by positivity, development and helping people.
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17. February 2008 @ 01:01 |
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hughjars, let me ask you another question in which I hope brings a simple answer...
You said on a number of occasions that Sony haven't really won anything and have very little chance of escaping a niche market. So logic would say that Sony and Toshiba were competing for this exact same niche market which you speak of. Wouldn't it be fair to say that you believed from the very beginning that Toshiba would also have little chance of making it into the mainstream?
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17. February 2008 @ 01:24 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
I agree completely but trying to prove that point to some on this forum is hopeless......I could go on filling up half a thread page with my point of view like some have done here but the way I see it... Is it really worth it?
I have better things to do with my time. I would rather participate in a conversation surrounded by positivity, development and helping people.
That is why I try to avoid news posts (especially BD vs HD) but this time around I had to say something, as sometimes it is just so good to be right from the get go...and knowing it. But why waste my time with people who cannot comprehend certain things. Let alone even acknowledge you have a point.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
hughjars, let me ask you another question in which I hope brings a simple answer...
You said on a number of occasions that Sony haven't really won anything and have very little chance of escaping a niche market. So logic would say that Sony and Toshiba were competing for this exact same niche market which you speak of. Wouldn't it be fair to say that you believed from the very beginning that Toshiba would also have little chance of making it into the mainstream?
Damn, that was good....and I am surprised I didn't say that!
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17. February 2008 @ 15:42 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
Originally posted by 7thsinger:
Fact is...the truth still remains the truth whether it is believed or not.
I agree completely but trying to prove that point to some on this forum is hopeless. I wanted to keep my posts here as simple as possible, which is why I asked hughjars for a 7 character answer, which he couldn't even do. I could go on filling up half a thread page with my point of view like some have done here but the way I see it... Is it really worth it?
I have better things to do with my time. I would rather participate in a conversation surrounded by positivity, development and helping people.
You're absolutely right Ryu. And i have found your posts (among a very few others) to be of the positive mindset. As a general rule i try to post and read as little as possible from these BD vs. HDDvd (as also stated by Oner...and for the same reasons) threads. So, to you, Oner, and a few others i offer a sincere thanks for posting in a good manner.
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You said on a number of occasions that Sony haven't really won anything and have very little chance of escaping a niche market. So logic would say that Sony and Toshiba were competing for this exact same niche market which you speak of. Wouldn't it be fair to say that you believed from the very beginning that Toshiba would also have little chance of making it into the mainstream?
Very true! Could not have said better.
Let's face it: The format war is ending...deal with it. Accept gracefully what you cannot control. I am certainly not going to get excited about a media format that will eventually be replaced by something else.
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17. February 2008 @ 17:06 |
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The prices are going to really have to come down to make me switch from buying standard DVDs. The main reason is that I only have a single PS3 Blu-Ray player, so if I buy any discs they will not play anywhere else in my house. A lot of what I buy is childrens titles - they will watch them over and over but it's only the occasional movie I watch more than once. The kids usually watch them on the tv in their play room, not the main set where the Blu-Ray player is located. The players are going to have to come down to less than $100 and the discs are going to have to be the same or a very low markup over a standard DVD.
The other reason is that for the most part, upscaled DVD is good enough, and usually cheaper. I have rented quite a few Blu-Ray discs and many are not much improved over the upscaled standard DVD in my perception. I am sure someone could probably point out differences, but if you have to go looking for them, the difference can't be that great.
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17. February 2008 @ 18:28 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
hughjars, let me ask you another question in which I hope brings a simple answer...
- Look mate I appreciate that you want a nice, neat & simple answers but this is hardly the subject for that kind of response.
The topic just doesn't lend itself to simplistic assessments or answers.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
You said on a number of occasions that Sony haven't really won anything and have very little chance of escaping a niche market.
- This is correct
(except I do not often talk about this in terms of 'Sony').
Blu-ray.
Because of the things the BDA have said and done and where Blu-ray is now.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
So logic would say that Sony and Toshiba were competing for this exact same niche market which you speak of.
- No. That does not follow & is not actually logical at all.
The formats are not as directly comparable or equivalent as you want to imply in the manner you suggest.
HD DVD could have simply 'become' DVD by an easy and barely noticeable evolutionary process & in a way that Blu-ray can never do.
HD DVD has/had the huge advantage of the Twin disc (and to a lesser degree the combo disc).
Blu-ray (due to the legal rights situation) can never have that (unless the DVD Forum says otherwise).
So right there there is a vast difference in what the 2 formats can do and become.
Had the HD DVD studios switched to only producing Twin discs and combos the move to high def could have been made completely without leaving anyone behind.
Blu-ray cannot do this, it is a huge difference between the formats.
Similarly HD DVD was the only (complete) format to get cheap enough fast enough and offer a proper range of 'final spec' stand-alone devices at various prices & specs.
That is another huge difference.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
Wouldn't it be fair to say that you believed from the very beginning that Toshiba would also have little chance of making it into the mainstream?
- No.
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18. February 2008 @ 06:43 |
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You know what the funny thing is hughjars, I had a feeling you would pick up on that one (that I used the word Sony instead of Blu-ray and Toshiba instead of HD-DVD) and I wanted to change it but I thought he can't really bring that up as a point... But then again I should have known you would. I know you understood what I meant, everyone else did. I don't see why you brought up something pointless like that. It seems to be a common theme in your posts. Just to make it clear...
Sony = Blu-ray
Toshiba = HD-DVD
As for everything else, as I said earlier... It's hopeless. You can have your HD-DVD player and be happy with your limited movie selection and I'll have my Blu-ray player and look forward to a growing library that WILL continue to grow and penetrate the mainstream.
You can mark my words on the above statement. If I am wrong I will buy you a HD-DVD player... If I can still get one. :-P
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18. February 2008 @ 11:17 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
I don't see why you brought up something pointless like that. It seems to be a common theme in your posts.
- Well you can believe it or not but I do not often bring Sony into the matter unless I think it's appropriate.
It saves the pedantic fanboys from moaning about how Blu-ray isn't all about Sony.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
Just to make it clear...
Sony = Blu-ray
- Opps.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
You can have your HD-DVD player and be happy with your limited movie selection
- Er, i have a growing movie selection to look forward to.
Warner don't do anything until June, Paramount have announced several new titles and Universal (through their Australian division at least) have at least 20 titles coming.
Then there are the HD TV movies, the new SD DVD titles and the rips (of all formats).
I have no problem with high def content.
Originally posted by Ryu77:
I'll have my Blu-ray player and look forward to a growing library that WILL continue to grow and penetrate the mainstream.
- Well guess away.
You have no guarantee that Blu-ray is genuinely going to take off and penetrate the mainstream at all.
It shows absolutely zero sign of doing so at this point.
In fact you have no guarantee that this format war did not just see us end up with 2 losing formats.
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9. April 2008 @ 01:45 |
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R.I.P HD DVD well i had always said it was going to be left up to the retailers to make the final choice to see who wins this war.
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9. April 2008 @ 02:32 |
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Originally posted by borhan9:
R.I.P HD DVD well i had always said it was going to be left up to the retailers to make the final choice to see who wins this war.
Well, it's pretty easy to predict things when you're constantly going back in time 2 months in the AfterDawn Time Machine!
Note: Last post in thread by hughjars was on the 19th February 2008.
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