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16. September 2006 @ 05:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
sad but true...!!!! maybe someone will hack the new technology!!

apparently on blueray disks there is a little chip that studios can track where the dvd is.,

so the blueray wont play unless it has that chip.. and sadly it seems impossible to be able to copy that chip.;
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16. September 2006 @ 16:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Maybe for the 2nd generation PS3s but there is no time, nor money to put this in the first gen. I still think PS3 will be the hardest console to hack and get copied games to work. Plus most games are prob gonna be over 10 gigs, i'm not optomistic.



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16. September 2006 @ 18:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
This whole putting chips into disks will take a while to materealize,but when it does,it will probably effectivly destroy game piracy.also they will try to put it into dvd's if they can,vut if it's hard then they won't bother,probably just focusing on the next gen formats




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16. September 2006 @ 20:47 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
this new technology should not worry or upset people. basically if your not doing anything wrong to begin with, what reasons or why would someone complain. i buy all my games and media so this type of protection doesn't bother me one bit.

most honest people who would encounter a situation of witnessing a shoplifter would more than likely report it on some level. i mean why should someone else get something for free while you're paying full price? just doesn't make sense and the concept of piracy is one in the same. now before some get all worked up about the argument of backing up their owned media, well that is a different story. however beggers can't be choosers and i'd rather implement some form of protection as it doesn't seem fitting to pay retail value when people are cutting corners. i have never had a store bought dvd or any playstation game simply stop playing properly. with that said i don't have any kids or have the need to worry about how others are handling my media. i see the argument for backing up media, but to a certain extent i don't think it is something all that necessary. actually seems more of a luxory, but hey some feel inclined to say "i bought it, so its mine and i should be able to do wtf ever i want with it..." and they are not wrong to feel or say that. so we'll see how this actually plays out
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16. September 2006 @ 21:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yes i agree,i to do not copy dvd's i just rent them out,nor do i buy them,but when it comes to games,well then i back mine up,incase they happen to break,or like the 360 that scrathes it's disks and then won't read them...:( it's abvious to make a spare copy,and the law in any case states that one copy may be made,if your the owner of teh original,and it's only for your personally use...but with the chips,that's not even possible,so it's a bit unfair,and i mean why should we be going into laws,i mean theoriticly,say i rent a dvd out,by me letting my friends watch it with me is against the law...so clearly there are some problems,but this is a never ending battle,but usually pirates come up with a way...




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16. September 2006 @ 22:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
A blue Ray burner alone will probably cost 800-1000$ and the blue ray disks are like 20$ it probably just wouldn't be worth it anyways. The only option I see is utilizing the HDD to play games (only 60gb though,5games?).But then that really wouldnt be a backup would it.?
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17. September 2006 @ 00:10 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yeh but soon they`ll probaly be bigger HDD`S
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19. September 2006 @ 00:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
good points here, but you guys are forgetting one very important concept: every major gaming console has been hacked and whatnot, and each time a new gaming hardware is touted as "unhackable" people figure a way to modify it. remember all the talk about the ps2 being unhackable because it used DVDs? As for the cost of Blu Ray Discs, they shouldnt cost much more than a DVD when those first came out (6-7 years ago). It seems that all forms of removable storage media have similar pricing at the beginning and end of their lifecycles: When the DVD first came out, it cost almost as much as a CD when the CD first came out. Now, a DVD, at the end of its lifecycle, costs just a bit more than a CD when the CD neared the end of its lifecycle. there is nothing to suggest that Blu Ray discs won't continue following this trend. but then again, as the others mentioned, all of this wont concern you if you always obtain your software legally.
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19. September 2006 @ 08:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
If it's a machine it can be hacked. They'll find a way to make those games run off the HDD. Those chips wont be a prob for long; after they are released. The real problem is that pirates make it hard for those who want to make legitimate copies of the software they own.
I think they should try and remove the sources of "acquiring" the software. That way they wouldn't have to worry about spending so much money protecting the discs the way they do because the mass* downloading of games wouldn't happen and they'd be making their money**.






*mass might be a bit strong but I use it any way for effect

**or not because a lot of pirates never intended to buy the games they got for free anyway. Makes you wonder: "Just whose side is he on anyway?"

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19. September 2006 @ 11:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
you know, it could also just be a firmware hack that send the appropirate data for the ok signal that a chip is there to where it needs to go to. and you could burn to a Blu-ray disk or a duall layer dvd if its a smaller game.

But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...

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19. September 2006 @ 12:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
This is similar to the problem the GC scene had when it was (and still is) developing. With the myths of backwards burned DVDs etc.

But, low and behold, creative gamers and companies created what was deemed "Impossible" for quite a long time. They created a modchip that now allows backups to be created and used on the 'Cube.

The reason I bring this up on the PS3 forum is because its the same thing. Although the PS3 will use Blu-ray I am sure someone will find a way, either through an exploit or eventually a Modchip, to create backups of your games.

Even if they create a "Chip on disk" thing it won't be too hard to get past. Just have to figure out how it works and I am sure you could do some sort of firmware or other hack/exploit to make the PS3 believe that the backup game is an original.
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19. September 2006 @ 12:10 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Believe that. They're are some really smart guys out there

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19. September 2006 @ 23:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Ba hahaha ....It WILL be hacked.Not only that but it will be hacked right here on this very ps3 section of afterdawn.Watch!

They said the same thing about alot of other stuff and it was all hacked very quickly not to mention the already found a hole in both bluray and HD-DVD before it even got a foot in the door, but it has since been patched.

No doubt it gets harder and harder each generation but it will be done.

http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9288

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For instance, the film data on the disks are protected by means of the Advanced Access Content System (AACS). Digital output only reaches the monitor via connections encrypted by means of High Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP). This copy protection chain is designed to ensure that no unencrypted data can be grabbed."

But, surprise, surprise, "this security chain has a giant hole," says the story. "Computer magazine c't has discovered that the first software players running on Windows XP allow screenshots of the movies to be created in full resolution. To do so, you only need to press the Print key on your keyboard while the movie is running.


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20. September 2006 @ 02:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
look at the psp. wen they saw the UMD disks, everyone thought it would be extremely hard to copy the games because the UMD is a optical disk with plastic around it, but who said u need a UMD burner?

the game can easiy be dumped on a memory stick!!!

we dont have a clue yet, but the pirates will find a way, i mean luk at the ps2. games can be run of a hard drive. maybe a normal 200 gig ata pc hdd could hold the games and run them.

it could take time, but there's always a way!!!

dont u agree?
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20. September 2006 @ 07:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yeh....

your right


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20. September 2006 @ 08:17 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
is that why when i try to prt screen, where the movie was is just a back square, but if i move the movie below the paint editor,s black square the movie shows and plays thru into the jpg file from behind. i cant save screenshots of movies cuz of this.

But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...

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20. September 2006 @ 08:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
But this doesn't make it impossible to install the original game onto the hard drive :)

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20. September 2006 @ 09:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
goodluck, you'll fit more more than 2-10 games (size is a factor) before the big hdd is full, let alone the little one. you'd have to buy a new one.

But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...

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20. September 2006 @ 09:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Who cares got a 300 gig Western Digital IDE HDD for bout' 70 bucks on newegg.com plus free shipping. Games alone will cost 70 bucks, seems like a deal to me.

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Yeah, that's the thing, hard drives are alot cheaper now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822147007
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148134
And with terabyte hard drives coming in XPS's it certainly shows that terabyte hard drives will drop severly in price in the next couple of years, hell, I bought a 320GB WD for $100 for my PS2.


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20. September 2006 @ 16:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
umm...yeah the ps3 uses 2.5" form factor, not the 3.5 you descrbe. 2.5 is alot more expensive per gb. here is and example.
http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Shop...bmit=ChangeItem

$194.99, 160 gigs. kinda pricey. then think about this, now you need a bluray reader, and all they have now are burners at 1k a piece.

But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...

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20. September 2006 @ 17:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
just a though here slightly off topic. but what if the ps3 handles online like the wii, in that even when the machine is off(standby) and not being used, it is still connected to the internet, recieving updates and what not. couldn't this, being part of a constant network, make it alot harder to hack the system?


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20. September 2006 @ 21:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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But this doesn't make it impossible to install the original game onto the hard drive :)
Yes but we will need some type of hack or mod before we can do this.Don't assume the drivers will even work because sony has final say so over the linux distro and don't think they haven't already thought of it lol.

Also the exploit when discovered may very well get patched automatically by sony's online service.We don't know because they haven't revealed it.You could always not update but then you may be missing out on crucial updates that improve stability and functionality of the ps3.All future models would also be patched out of the box.

But the hdd is the easy part it's the bluray that will be difficult.

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I forgot about that anubis lol.
Anyways they'll eventually drop in price, as for a bluray reader, the PS3 is already one.
Eventually we'll be able to use the PS3's laser to copy games to the hard drive without needing a computer one, much as we do with the PS2.

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21. September 2006 @ 08:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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now you need a bluray reader, and all they have now are burners at 1k a piece.

Well i've thought or away around that already. If they connect the drive via sata like all you have to do is hook that drive up to your pc (kinda like in the 360). Bam there you have u'r brd drive

Finer details omitted of course but it could work

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