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Thanks M1986. I'm looking into it ;)
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22. August 2010 @ 04:00 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Thanks M1986. I'm looking into it ;)
no problem always happy to help out a fellow Trekkie =)
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Originally posted by M1986:
at Omega - Star Trek Legacy actually has some beautiful artwork when it comes to Ship drawings and great looking planets. Also the sketches of the different types of species are amazing as well and very detailed. you can tell that the artists put in a lot of time and effort into their work. They would make for great backgrounds.
at Russ - thanks I will keep that in mind.
On another note - tigerdirect.ca is offering this combo deal for about 475 Canadian after tax and delivery charges. The parts in this deal are:
* Asus M2N68-AM PLUS Motherboard
* AMD Phenom X4 9450e Quad-Core Processor 2.1GHz
* Crucial 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 Memory (x 2)
* Seagate Barracuda LP HD
* Samsung TS-H663B Internal DVD Writer OEM
* Ultra U12-40603 X-Wind 90mm CPU Cooler
* PowerUp ATX Black Mid-T Case w/ 450w PSU
is this worth the money? would it make for a great upgrade system?
M1986,
In my opinion it isn't. The motherboard is obsolete, it dates back to 2008. It was an entry level motherboard with nVidia 6100 On Board Graphics and a 430 Chipset. Where the price of $215 came from, I don't know but I found it for $79, the same price as the Gigabyte 785G board I linked you. As for the Phenom x4 9450, it's a 65w 2.1GHz energy efficient chip that was made to be used in conjunction with Kool & Quiet. They don't overclock worth a flip, even with the B3 stepping. Generally speaking, any AMD CPU that ends in a small "e" should be avoided unless you are building something stock for Aunt Minnie! You would have more value for your Dollar, as well as processing power with an $89 Athlon II x4 2.6GHz Quad core in the gigabyte MA785GM-US2H. Personally I would opt for the Athlon II x4 935 or 940 Propus, because they have B3 stepping models. Just look for the GMBOX on the end of the model number. Just my opinion, of course.
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22. August 2010 @ 04:12 |
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Thanks again Russ. (I like the Aunt Minnie sentence that one made me smile) See the prob is I want to play Legacy however Legacy is very demanding on system resources and I do not have 1000 bucks to spend on the super fast stuff however I like your recommendation. Does that mobo support my current VC and Mem? they are posted in my sig
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22. August 2010 @ 04:21 |
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According to the following site, your current hardware should be able to run it
http://www.gamepyre.com/reviews/games/pc/797_10.html
Heck, even my 2001 HP could come close to the minimum requirements. Though I doubt very much that it could run it. My new system though, should handle it easily, while running extensive processes in the background :p
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22. August 2010 @ 04:34 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
According to the following site, your current hardware should be able to run it
http://www.gamepyre.com/reviews/games/pc/797_10.html
Heck, even my 2001 HP could come close to the minimum requirements. Though I doubt very much that it could run it. My new system though, should handle it easily, while running extensive processes in the background :p
The game runs however it runs on minimum graphics with no lag. However the second you boost the graphic settings all the way up thats a whole different story. the game LAGS HARD! The problem is the only way to enjoy the fancy looking graphics in the game is if the settings are on high however because my system cannot seem to handle that I do not want to play the game on low because it will ruin the whole experience of the game for me. Those requirements that person has posted are wrong because if you were to run that game with some of those ATI cards and all of those Nvidia cards it might not even run or it would LAG LAG LAG LAG... you get the point and who the hell wants to play a game when all its doing is lagging. Legacy is a beautiful game. The graphics look amazing on high detail but the video card you need to run it costs an arm and a leg.
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I understand. GTA IV is a hardware whore. Mostly CPU, but it does use a bit of GPU as well. If I had to play it at any less than 1920 (1680 Minimum), I couldn't stand it. It really does need to be played at higher resolutions/detail ;)
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exactly. being a gamer I just cant stand seeing minimum graphics on games especially after playing a PS3 game and then trying to play a PC game on min settings that just sucks lol
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Originally posted by M1986:
Thanks again Russ. (I like the Aunt Minnie sentence that one made me smile) See the prob is I want to play Legacy however Legacy is very demanding on system resources and I do not have 1000 bucks to spend on the super fast stuff however I like your recommendation. Does that mobo support my current VC and Mem? they are posted in my sig
M1986,
The Asus M2N68-AM PLUS, is pretty much the same motherboard as your MSI K9VGM-V. Yours is just a little slower because of the Via Chipset, and it might be a bit older. The Gigabyte MS785GM-US2H will support your memory and your Vid Card. You might want to try the On board Video first. It's ATI Radeon HD 4200 graphics, and they are quite good. The board has both VGA and DVI plugs, so whatever you need to use will work. You are a little short on Ram, as things would play better with 2x2GB of memory. On the Plus side, the HD4200 graphics don't consume any memory when turned off, like they do with your current motherboard, so you would at least get the full benefit of your present 2x1GB sticks of memory. You can also overclock the video from the CMOS Setup! Even your 3600x2 will perform better in it!
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22. August 2010 @ 07:04 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by M1986:
Thanks again Russ. (I like the Aunt Minnie sentence that one made me smile) See the prob is I want to play Legacy however Legacy is very demanding on system resources and I do not have 1000 bucks to spend on the super fast stuff however I like your recommendation. Does that mobo support my current VC and Mem? they are posted in my sig
M1986,
The Asus M2N68-AM PLUS, is pretty much the same motherboard as your MSI K9VGM-V. Yours is just a little slower because of the Via Chipset, and it might be a bit older. The Gigabyte MS785GM-US2H will support your memory and your Vid Card. You might want to try the On board Video first. It's ATI Radeon HD 4200 graphics, and they are quite good. The board has both VGA and DVI plugs, so whatever you need to use will work. You are a little short on Ram, as things would play better with 2x2GB of memory. On the Plus side, the HD4200 graphics don't consume any memory when turned off, like they do with your current motherboard, so you would at least get the full benefit of your present 2x1GB sticks of memory. You can also overclock the video from the CMOS Setup! Even your 3600x2 will perform better in it!
Russ
sweeeeet! thanks Russ I think I will be getting that Gigabyte mobo in a week or so at least then I will have something I can upgrade in the future.
On another note do you know if my MSI K9VGM-V will support a Athlon 64 2650e CPU@1.6GHz stock clock speed? I cannot seem to find the answer to this question on google.
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22. August 2010 @ 09:53 |
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All tigerdirect bundles are bad. no exceptions.
Just look at all the bad in that:
Asus motherboard - unreliable
low-speed CPU - you can do much better for little extra cost
Crucial memory - potentially unreliable
5400rpm HDD as the OS drive - unsuitable due to low performance
Low-grade CPU cooler - why bother, just use the stock
Deathtrap PSU - will probably burn the entire system out within months.
I can't believe TigerDirect get away with selling such garbage. No wonder they get such bad reviews.
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Again, why do you think I stick to Newegg like glue? lol
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Again, why do you think I stick to Newegg like glue? lol
There are stores that try to success even newegg ;) Not by much, but they try LOL!
Mwave.com for instance. They bent over backwards for me more than once. Though I too am religious when it comes to newegg :D
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(By M1986)On another note do you know if my MSI K9VGM-V will support a Athlon 64 2650e CPU@1.6GHz stock clock speed? I cannot seem to find the answer to this question on google.
Mike,
Yes your old motherboard will support the 2650e. The motherboard and the CPU are both socket AM2. It's only a 1.6GHz 15w single core, so it shouldn't put any additional strain on the motherboard.
Best Regards,
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thanks russ and lol bigwill I would love to upgrade being the computer hardware fanatic that I am however I cant dip into mommy and daddy's pocket for upgrades. Performance parts are not cheap. Also computer parts seem to go out of date very fast these days. One second its DDR the next second its DDR5. One second its Dual Core the next second its Six Cores at that rate of change in such a short period of time comp parts are not a very wise investment. If money was easy to come by for me hell I would build one of the greatest gaming systems on the planet. It would make the PS3 look like a Pentium II. But I do not have a money tree in the back yard. (although I wish I did) I am working with what I got *sighs and shrugs shoulders*
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Actually no, GDDR5 (the G is important) is only used for graphics cards, and GDDR3 for graphics cards (which nvidia still used until this year) has been around for 6 years plus.
Additionally, Dual cores came about 5 years ago, and six core CPUs have only just appeared, and aren't very practical at the moment. PC technology does advance quickly, but not as quickly as you make out :P
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Maybe your right Sam. However lets say I were building a new system part by part. Every 2 to 3 weeks I would buy a part until I could assemble the entire system because I am unable to buy all the parts at once. By the time I have bought all of the parts and assemble the system it is already out of date. lol. I am not the only person to say that either I have had countless conversations with tech friends that feel the same way. Also have you noticed that things are always super expensive when they come out but a short time after they drop by 40 to 50% in price. Then a little while after that they are worth almost nothing. perfect example PS1 when they came out they were 599.99 then 499.99 and shortly after that 199.99 and now you can pick up a WORKING PS1 for 5 bucks.
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LOL! Sounds about right. Ahhh, the PC revolution! Yah, if you have to space out your purchases of a complete build, and say it takes you 6 weeks, I guarantee at least one of those components has been successed, or at least talked about an upcoming succession ;) It's truly a shame the medical field doesn't advance as quickly ;)
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M1986: Well, that is part of the problem when building a PC piecemeal. However, common sense would dictate that if you will need some time to build up the funds for a PC, rather than waste time/money with separate orders and having components unused gathering dust until you can afford the rest, just save up until you can afford to buy the whole lot at once and then you will have a better system for it.
It is not always true that components drop in price, it depends what happens to the market. A component drops in price if it becomes superceded by something. If that happens, don't consider that 'it's suddenly become much cheaper', think of it as 'it's outdated so it's reduced to clear, I can get a new, better product for the same price'.
The HD5870 graphics card released in the UK for £320, thereabouts. They're still £310 or so, and they came out last September, almost a year ago. The same is true for several other components. Prices only lower once something new has come out. The only exception to this is flagship products, i.e. the absolute best money can buy - since these are overpriced initially due to the expense of developing them and producing them, which will fall as the technology matures. However, if you can afford to buy latest and greatest parts, then price drops really aren't going to worry you too much are they? :P
Take the PS1 for example. The PS1 was released in 1995. They became cheaper in the subsequent years as the technology matured (the PS1 remember was the first CD-based mainstream games console). Then the price remained about the same until the portable PSOne was developed. That remained at a similar price until the PS2 superceded the PS1 in 2002. Etc. Etc. There's a reason PS1s are 5 dollars, they're 15 years old!
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M1986,
Use compressed air to clean the psu, much better and safer.
btw, most new hard ware drops in at the price point of what it's replacing, some times a little more. I would be surprised if you would need to spend more than 200US for a decent MB anytime soon (i7 boards are an exception that will hopefully go away lol).
edit: how did my post end up here? (it's a duplicate of the one on the next page)
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at omega - thank you and lol. I agree its to bad the medical field cannot make leaps like that every 2 months lol. We would have a cure for everything by now.
at Sam - I agree and disagree with some of the things you typed. First off lets say I did save my money to buy all the parts down the road in one shot. By that time the new stuff has hit the market however the new stuff hits the market at outrageous prices. A decent motherboard alone might run you 300 to 500 dollars just for the mobo (Gigabyte or MSI not that biostar or pc chips garbage.) Not to mention all the other high end gaming components. Now lets say my gaming rig budget is 800 dollars. Right there I have blown most of my cash on the mobo alone. So in any case I will still have to save up again to get the rest of the components. You have to take into consideration that I cannot save up 4000 dallars for a comp in a few months it takes me a while to save up 800 to 1000 dollars as I have rent and bills to pay also. From my experience and also from what I have heard computer hardware drops in price extremely fast. 1 week the newest thing on the market is 599.99 the next month it is 449.99 then couple months after its 399.99 then 1 year later its 199.99 tech decreases in price a lot faster than you think sam.
As for the PS1, first off it was NOT the first mainstream CD-based gaming console. The Sega CD and Sega Saturn systems hold that title. Also the price did not stay the same until the slim ps1 came out it actually dropped in price on Christmas of the same year it was introduced. I believe it was 70 dollars cheaper at Christmas. You say the reason that the PS1 costs 5 dollars today is because it is 15 years old I will give you that one however Xbox 360 is not that old and when it came out it retailed at around 700 dollars!!! today you can pick one up for 80 to 100 dollars. If you ask me that is a MAJOR decrease in price for such a short period of time. Imagine how the people who bought it for 700 dollars then feel now...
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Sorry to correct people on the first cd based console but that crown goes to the commodore cdtv in march 1991 the sega mega cd didnt get released til dec 1991
the commodore cd 32 and panasonic 3do were also before the ps1, I admit the ps1 is the cd based console that made it mainstream, but without the predecessors we may well be still cartridge based, but hey with the dropping prices of silicon manufacture and the growing storage capacity on silicon we may well end back where we started :) I can see the benefits of disc based gaming dropping away as silicon's speed and capacity leaves optical storage behind!!!
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Save as much as you can up, purchase as late as possible to get the best deals, you will probably save the most on your memory / motherboard this way and get the best cpu deal this way too, stuff like cases, cpu coolers etc can be bought beforehand as there wont be much change in performance / price on these aspects of the build. Don't get caught in the latest tech thing, get what you personally can afford and make the best of it!!!
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Originally posted by ck5134:
Sorry to correct people on the first cd based console but that crown goes to the commodore cdtv in march 1991 the sega mega cd didnt get released til dec 1991
the commodore cd 32 and panasonic 3do were also before the ps1, I admit the ps1 is the cd based console that made it mainstream, but without the predecessors we may well be still cartridge based, but hey with the dropping prices of silicon manufacture and the growing storage capacity on silicon we may well end back where we started :) I can see the benefits of disc based gaming dropping away as silicon's speed and capacity leaves optical storage behind!!!
M1986
Save as much as you can up, purchase as late as possible to get the best deals, you will probably save the most on your memory / motherboard this way and get the best cpu deal this way too, stuff like cases, cpu coolers etc can be bought beforehand as there wont be much change in performance / price on these aspects of the build. Don't get caught in the latest tech thing, get what you personally can afford and make the best of it!!!
Hey ck, I stand corrected I completely forgot about Commodore. Wow that takes me back to my childhood =) Also thanks for the advice I am not sure what I am going to do just yet but it looks like I will be upgrading my mobo for the time being.
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On another note... My 12cm stock cooling fan on my Cooler Master 500 watt PSU finally died (stopped working) I replaced the PSU with a 350 watt Enermax for the time being. I opened the Cooler Master PSU and unscrewed the fan. The PSU still works perfectly as I detected the problem before any over heating damage occurred. I plan on buying a new 12cm fan for the PSU and running it again down the road. The problem is when I opened the PSU it had a lot of dust inside and I really do not like to see all that dust inside my PSU. I would like to clean the inside components with a vacuum however I noticed the 1.6 Volt Capacitors and I must admit I am a little scared to take a vacuum to the inside now as I do not want to be electrocuted. My question is... Is it safe to take a vacuum cleaner to the inside of this PSU? it has been unplugged for 2 days now but I know that capacitors hold a charge that can kill. If it is NOT SAFE what would you recommend to be the best way to clean the dust out of the PSU? There is a lot of dust and it is sticking to the components inside like peanut butter on bread.
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