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9. October 2008 @ 12:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm not sure what you mean by internal fan, as there'll be more than one in there. In general though, whichever fan has failed, replace it. Immediately.



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The fan inside of my laptop failed. Surely it wouldnt be expensive for a person to put another inside of it.
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the CPU FAN inside your laptop?

need to be immediately replaced. yesterday.
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Originally posted by lucied5:
I'm investing in 2 new fans.

1 is a 120mm fan that will mount on my side panel. The panel has a spot ready for a fan of that size with holes and a grid.
My question for this is should it be and intake fan or should it be exhaust. Directly next to the spot for the fan are my 2 GFX cards. There is room but i dont know if i should blow air from outside onto them or suck the air away from them.

The second is a hard drive cooling fan that mounts in my 3.5" HDD slot. I have one HDD and 3 slots.
Should i mount the fans below my drive to blow on it or above to suck away from it?



My current case config is as follows

Rear: Power supply with exhaust fan
Liquid cooling system radiator with exhaust fan blowing INTO the case (weird i know)

Side: Spot for fan

Front: Intake fan in front of the HDD slots
lucied5,
First thing is how many cfm the fans are? Second thing is you should never have a radiator fan exhausting into the case, as that sort of defeats the purpose of water cooling. The whole point with water is to remove the heat from the water cooled things (cpu, NB, video, etc!) and get it out of the case, not into it. Mounting the Radiator outside the case is best! With mine I'm planning on mounting the radiator outside the case, directly behind the rear fan using it to cool the radiator. In fact the fan and radiator make a sandwich with the case in the middle. Should work very well!

With water, I would make the side fan an intake. If the CPU was air cooled, I would make it an exhaust. You have to be more careful if you make it an intake when air cooled because it's easy to interfere with the flow of air through the CPU cooler and actually make it run warmer. I have two 80mm intakes and 1 120mm . The rear 120 exhaust runs at 1400 rpm and delivers about 70 cfm. The side 80 runs at 1400 as well and moves about 30 cfm and the front intake is 33 cfm and is the stock Cooler Master fan that came with the case. Add the power supply fan and you are over 100 cfm, at a very reasonable noise level. When I get the Swiftech water cooler, I'll have to make the side an intake again so the components inside the case, get more air. Both Silverstones have their own speed control, so I just set them and forget them. I don't use the MB headers for the case fans, just the CPU cooler and I plug the chipset fan into the power fan header. Works great! No lights though. Someone had a link posted for the Silverstone made Cooler Master 120mm fans that come with blue LEDs. Being completely adjustable is much better than fans that have a H-M-L switch, as often the set speeds are either not fast enough or too fast!

As you can see, case cooling is becoming a bit of an art! It just depends on so many different factors. What works very well for me might not work as well for you, because of all the different factors. Location of the fans, whether the case has any static vents, and so on! My AMD 64x2 4800+ uses a single 92mm case fan, with a Freezer 64 for the cpu and I added a 50mm fan to the chipset heat sink. That's it! It cools better than any computer I've ever owned, so you never know what's going to work best!

Best Regards,
Russ

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Originally posted by sammorris:
If your GPUs use dual slot coolers that exhaust out of the case, then make it intake. If they're single slots that exhaust into the case, make it exhaust.

Sam,
Just keep in mind that a lot of dual slot coolers still exhaust a lot of heat through vents in the cover of the fan shroud, or space between the rear vent and the fan outlet. Here's a two slot card that's virtually worthless as far as venting hot air outside the case. DIAMOND Viper 3850PE3512O Radeon HD 3850 512MB! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103051. Or cards like the Palit that have more exhaust vents in the cover than the area of the rear exhaust port! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261012 Totally worthless as a two slot solution!

I see where most video cards have done away with the vents in the fan shroud, and truly exhaust everything outside the case. It's about time! LOL!!

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Russ

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9. October 2008 @ 21:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The HD4870X2 I use exhausts heat both out the vent and into the case - it's not pointless, it's mandatory to cool the card sufficiently.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
The HD4870X2 I use exhausts heat both out the vent and into the case - it's not pointless, it's mandatory to cool the card sufficiently.

Sam,
I'm sure you've noticed that almost all video cards no longer have vent slots in the fan shroud, so they must be putting in better cooling than they did a year ago. The only one I would say is pointless is the Radeon HD 3850 512MB! There isn't even a duct to direct the air towards the rear vent. You could accomplish the same thing by just removing a port blank!

With yours, I can see the need as you have 2 GPUs in it! Most of the single GPU cards have no internal exhaust at all. Palit being the exception. I think I've seen one of theirs that had no inside heat vents. All the others they make are totally useless as a two slot except maybe to suck in some cool air through the grille.

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9. October 2008 @ 22:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
umm im sure you will need vents near fan to draw more air in aswell
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Originally posted by spamual:
umm im sure you will need vents near fan to draw more air in aswell

spamual,
No, all the air is drawn in by the fan opening. Here's an excellent example of a 4870 with no heat vents at all. Air is drawn in from the opening in the fan and exhausted directly out the rear vent. No other openings at all!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103061

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from what i see at the front of the fan at the bottom there is a gap aswell, this would draw in cold air aslo cooling the PCB infront of it. also where the plastic bends (for lack of better word) around halfway up the cooler, is there not a hole there, or is the plastic just bent around?
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Originally posted by spamual:
from what i see at the front of the fan at the bottom there is a gap aswell, this would draw in cold air aslo cooling the PCB infront of it. also where the plastic bends (for lack of better word) around halfway up the cooler, is there not a hole there, or is the plastic just bent around?

spamual,
I don't think so but it is hard to see. It's a squirrel cage blower, so the only air feed that matters is at the opening of the fan blade at the top (actually the bottom as that's where the fan's intake is) as squirrel cage blowers only make sufficient air from the inside out. that's why the big rounded housing. Don't know what it's like noise wise, but that type of fan can move more air than a conventional multi blade fan.

Russ

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Yes, that's the cooler the 4870 I owned briefly had, and it has no other airflow routing than straight through from the fan to the vent at the back out the case. The X2 is the same in that regard, but it carries an entirely separate heatsink above the standard one, presumably for cooling regulators or memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129114
(the black bobbly bit :))
Both cards use squirrel cage blowers which have an excellent noise signature compared to the standard 13 blade radial fans used in the 3870s cooler, which though far quieter in decibels, was 'noisier' due to its grind and buzz, something the 4870 and X2's coolers lack.
What's interesting is that despite the fact that newegg still sell 12 3870s, not one uses the reference cooler - sadly, I see they still sell two of the Sapphire cards with the appalling single-slot radial fan cooler. Not even the FM121s at full tilt gave me the almost migraine-like headache that card did.

Russ, which 3850 512MB do you refer to? I think the 3850 512MB's reference cooler was the same as the 256MB version, which is this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161214
That is an entirely internal cooler, as its single slot.





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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yes, that's the cooler the 4870 I owned briefly had, and it has no other airflow routing than straight through from the fan to the vent at the back out the case. The X2 is the same in that regard, but it carries an entirely separate heatsink above the standard one, presumably for cooling regulators or memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129114
(the black bobbly bit :))
Both cards use squirrel cage blowers which have an excellent noise signature compared to the standard 13 blade radial fans used in the 3870s cooler, which though far quieter in decibels, was 'noisier' due to its grind and buzz, something the 4870 and X2's coolers lack.
What's interesting is that despite the fact that newegg still sell 12 3870s, not one uses the reference cooler - sadly, I see they still sell two of the Sapphire cards with the appalling single-slot radial fan cooler. Not even the FM121s at full tilt gave me the almost migraine-like headache that card did.

Russ, which 3850 512MB do you refer to? I think the 3850 512MB's reference cooler was the same as the 256MB version, which is this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161214
That is an entirely internal cooler, as its single slot.

Sam,
I referred to this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103051
Totally useless as a two slot solution, along with 99% of the Palit cards. A total joke, as all the heat stays in the case. There is no exhaust out the back! LOL!!

Russ


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Has anyone here used the Thermoelectric coolers (Peltier) on their processors and/or GPU?s? I do like the combination of water and TEC because if the TEC fails, you still have the water cooling to prevent instant disaster. They are very expensive as can be seen from this link: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6958/ex-wat-126/CoolIT_Systems_Freezone_Elite_Universal_CPU_Cooler_-_Preassembled_Internal_TEC_Water_Cooling_Kit_-_Socket_478_754_775_939_940_AM2_FZ-1003.html?tl=g30c105s189

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Agreed, and it blocks you using a PCIe 1x slot if there's one beneath. Asus' coolers however use the same idea, an internal cooler that takes up two slots worth of room. Seemingly though that's the best way to cool a graphics card as with the fan undervolted to only 800rpm of its original 1800, the load temperature of the card was a full 20ºC less than the stock cooler.

spaul: TEC in general is bad for computers as the peltier itself generates its own heat on top of what it's trying to cool.



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spaul40,

Would you please edit out that long URL for Frozen CPU as it's too long and knocks the screen out of whack. URL's won't word wrap (I think)! I can only imagine how bad it looks at 1024x768! LOL!! I have to scroll side to side to read the posts at 1680x1050! LOL!!

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Er, it word wraps for me fine, even in a 1024x768 window...



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It's those AMD cpus. They don't support word wrapping haha.
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
spaul40,

Would you please edit out that long URL for Frozen CPU as it's too long and knocks the screen out of whack. URL's won't word wrap (I think)! I can only imagine how bad it looks at 1024x768! LOL!! I have to scroll side to side to read the posts at 1680x1050! LOL!!

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Sure Russ. How do you suggest I give a link for an item that has an overly long URL?

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sam & Abuzar,
It word wraps fine, it's just the super long URL that has the page as wide as it can go, and I still have to use the scroll bar on the bottom. If I go back a page, everything is normal. As the resolution gets lower, you have to scroll more of the page to be able to read everything. It's the same kind of problem you get when a Pic is too large. The lower the resolution, the worse the problem. I have a 20.1" Widescreen monitor and the screen resolution is 1680x1050, and it's about an inch oversized. The AMD has a 19" widescreen at 1440x900, which is even worse. It's just that if you type a URL and it's wider than the page, it knocks the page out of whack! The problem is there on the Intel and the AMD! LOL!! The URL is 207 characters long, and it pushes the border of the screen so the bottom scroll bar apears. If you go back to the previous page the problem goes away!

We're not all rich like you guys with your 24" and 30" screens! LOL!!

Oh! Word wrap is a function of the software, not the CPU!! It should ward wrap at any resolution! ROFLMSOAO!!

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That was a joke.. :P
That aside, resized to a stupidly tiny window the URL wraps fine for me:

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1797/loluc1.jpg



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Originally posted by sammorris:
http://tinyurl.com
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Originally posted by sammorris:
That was a joke.. :P
That aside, resized to a stupidly tiny window the URL wraps fine for me:

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1797/loluc1.jpg

Sam,
It's one continuous line on all three computers here! It acts just like a "too large" pic that's been posted. When I clicked on the link all I got was the main page, not the product!

spaul40,
Please do me a favor and humor me. Just leave the Frozencpu.com and see if it changes anything. If I go back to the previous page the problem disappears.

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