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BlueCoder
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17. July 2007 @ 12:46 |
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Res2Cue
I never said you specifically believe in using one set of programs, you came to that conclusion yourself.
To the Forum: I don't think 'breaking the code' is what is illegal. There are many software DVD players that break the code in order to let the user watch the content. What if a 'viewer' program was created that let you 'save' your movie (or selected track) to a specific format? If 'backing up' your purchase of a DVD is not what is actually 'against the law', than it should not be a problem? Just a thought.
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Whilst this might be true, most people aren't backing up older movies and the people that seem to come into thsi forum looking for help aren't having troubles with older movies are they? So whats the point in reccomending older programs that don't work well with newer movies, or won't in the very near future? I have many programs, new old, pay and free. They all have a purpose, and I'm not sure where you seem to think I only believe in one program and only one...
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PacMan777
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17. July 2007 @ 14:39 |
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Originally posted by BlueCoder:
To the Forum: I don't think 'breaking the code' is what is illegal. There are many software DVD players that break the code in order to let the user watch the content. What if a 'viewer' program was created that let you 'save' your movie (or selected track) to a specific format? If 'backing up' your purchase of a DVD is not what is actually 'against the law', than it should not be a problem? Just a thought.
I think you may be wrong and such a machine would be as illegal as the decryption software is now.
The MCA and other international agreements state clearly that it is illegal to bypass digital copy protection, except in very limited situations that are well described. A single working copy of a legally owned office software program can be copied, but most of that software isn't usually digitally protected (at least they haven't in the past). Making a copy of a retail movie that is digitally protected is not included in the exceptions and is an illegal act. Haven't you heard of the 321 Studios case that was the test case in the US? The premise was that since breaking digital copy protection was illegal, producing software for the purpose was illegal. 321 lost and was forced out of business. That is the precedent that the US courts go by. Most countries adhere to international copyright agreements. Only a few don't and that's how DVDIdle and Slysoft get by.
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PacMan777
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Originally posted by BlueCoder:
To the Forum: I don't think 'breaking the code' is what is illegal. There are many software DVD players that break the code in order to let the user watch the content. What if a 'viewer' program was created that let you 'save' your movie (or selected track) to a specific format? If 'backing up' your purchase of a DVD is not what is actually 'against the law', than it should not be a problem? Just a thought.
I think you may be wrong and such a 'viewer' would be as illegal as the decryption software now in use. Viewing is one thing, turning out copies is another. You purchased one copy to view, but by the thinking of the entertainment industry (and government agrees), you don't have the right to copy.
The MCA and other international agreements state clearly that it is illegal to bypass digital copy protection, except in very limited situations that are well described. A single working copy of a legally owned office software program can be copied, but most of that software isn't usually digitally protected (at least they haven't in the past). Making a copy of a retail movie that is digitally protected is not included in the exceptions and is an illegal act. Haven't you heard of the 321 Studios case that was the test case in the US? The premise was that since breaking digital copy protection was illegal, producing software for the purpose was illegal. 321 lost and was forced out of business. That is the precedent that the US courts go by. Most countries adhere to international copyright agreements. Only a few don't and that's how DVDIdle and Slysoft get by.
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17. July 2007 @ 19:54 |
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sorry, but when you quote me what other conclusion am I supposed to come up with?
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18. July 2007 @ 16:28 |
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Originally posted by res2cue:
@ Bluecoder
sorry, but when you quote me what other conclusion am I supposed to come up with?
Please accept my apology then.
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18. July 2007 @ 16:49 |
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So then the premise we use, by saying we have a right to 'backup' our DVD or movie purchase, is incorrect?
Seems to me then, that we ought to be renting movies all the time, and there is no such thing as owning a legal copy. When it becomes lost or scratched, or otherwise unplayable you lose the right to watch it?
I realise there are fine lines here, but what if I copied a movie I own, but without 'bypassing the digital copy protection'? (i.e. take a video tape recording of it.) I keep the scratched unplayable disc, or other proof of purchase and watch the copy. The 'copy for personal use' should prevail, no?
Also, there has to be a distinction between those who copy illegally to resell a 1,000 copies, and a single consumer protecting his purchase.
How does Tevo DVRs get away with it? There's no doubt copying is going there? Macrovision in my opinion was pretty clever, but that is easy to overcome now.
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BlueCoder
Originally posted by BlueCoder:
To the Forum: I don't think 'breaking the code' is what is illegal. There are many software DVD players that break the code in order to let the user watch the content. What if a 'viewer' program was created that let you 'save' your movie (or selected track) to a specific format? If 'backing up' your purchase of a DVD is not what is actually 'against the law', than it should not be a problem? Just a thought.
I think you may be wrong and such a 'viewer' would be as illegal as the decryption software now in use. Viewing is one thing, turning out copies is another. You purchased one copy to view, but by the thinking of the entertainment industry (and government agrees), you don't have the right to copy.
The MCA and other international agreements state clearly that it is illegal to bypass digital copy protection, except in very limited situations that are well described. A single working copy of a legally owned office software program can be copied, but most of that software isn't usually digitally protected (at least they haven't in the past). Making a copy of a retail movie that is digitally protected is not included in the exceptions and is an illegal act. Haven't you heard of the 321 Studios case that was the test case in the US? The premise was that since breaking digital copy protection was illegal, producing software for the purpose was illegal. 321 lost and was forced out of business. That is the precedent that the US courts go by. Most countries adhere to international copyright agreements. Only a few don't and that's how DVDIdle and Slysoft get by.
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PacMan777
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18. July 2007 @ 19:58 |
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BlueCoder
Read around, this is an old topic. You came to the forum a bit late for discussing digital copy protection and fair use. It would have been nice had a lot more people paid attention while the laws were being written and enacted. Then the combined complaints may have carried a bit more weight.
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So then the premise we use, by saying we have a right to 'backup' our DVD or movie purchase, is incorrect?
Correct... That is how the laws are written. The situation hinges on digital copy protection. There's a lot of people who disagree with the way current laws are written though. Currently the law is seeking out the pirates and overlooking the individuals who are only copying DVDs they've purchased to protect the original. As for copying things that aren't digitally protected, the law and entertainment industry don't care if you knock yourself out.
By the way, there is no fine line. If the DVD is digitally protected, it doesn't matter what method you use to make the copy, you have bypassed the digital copy protection. Look at it this way.
Digitally protected DVD copy.
Film copy of protected DVD.
That is an illegal copy because the DVD was protected.
Camera equipment instead of PC (or whatever) used to make illegal copy.
Copies of illegal film copy.
Common deduction, copy of an illegal copy would of necessity be illegal. (No fine lines there.)
That means using cameras or PCs and software (hardware or software). Any way you do it, it is illegal. Though I don't think anyone would really care too much as long as you aren't pirating.
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15. September 2007 @ 14:17 |
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i have a film called pursuit of happy ness, well what it is ive copy it but it won't let me burn it on my laptop from some reason. The dive dones not open well its not the laptop it must be that film. can some one plase help me Mike
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15. September 2007 @ 14:27 |
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On what media format was the original "film" (source) you copied? What programs and process did you use to make the copy?
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16. September 2007 @ 00:24 |
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Originally posted by PacMan777:
On what media format was the original "film" (source) you copied? What programs and process did you use to make the copy?
i used dvd fab to put the film on to the hard dive then i used dvd shrink to copy the film, when it came for me to burn the film it word not let me burn when using dvd shrink. mike
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16. September 2007 @ 04:38 |
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i ve done it on dvd shrink, if you want to copy the film just have the movie only on the disc all you have to do is go in re-athor on dvd shrink then click on main movie. its the movie only tho. mike
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16. September 2007 @ 10:37 |
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If DVD Shrink does the quick analysis when it opens the files, the cleaned movie files should be compliant. FixVTS can be used when there are compliance errors.
Do you have the burn settings set up correctly in Backup and what program are you using to burn with. Shrink doesn't burn by itself, but uses a supported burner program or the output has to be burned manually. The supported burner has to be selected in the Backup window under Target Device.
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16. September 2007 @ 12:45 |
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Originally posted by PacMan777:
If DVD Shrink does the quick analysis when it opens the files, the cleaned movie files should be compliant. FixVTS can be used when there are compliance errors.
Do you have the burn settings set up correctly in Backup and what program are you using to burn with. Shrink doesn't burn by itself, but uses a supported burner program or the output has to be burned manually. The supported burner has to be selected in the Backup window under Target Device.
well i burn other films using dvd shrink and they do ok but this film Pursuit Of Happyness hard to do. well its encods it but when it comes around to burn the film to dvd it comes up with burn error.
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res2cue
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16. September 2007 @ 15:01 |
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what is the error? Do you have a log? Which media type are you using?
@garmoon: since it appears this thread has been revived, thanks for the advice a few pages back regarging using imgburn for doing DL's. Used my first DL for "the Godfather" and after getting a coaster decided to follow advice and try imgburn. Perfect backup...
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16. September 2007 @ 18:10 |
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Originally posted by mike1986:
Originally posted by PacMan777:
If DVD Shrink does the quick analysis when it opens the files, the cleaned movie files should be compliant. FixVTS can be used when there are compliance errors.
Do you have the burn settings set up correctly in Backup and what program are you using to burn with. Shrink doesn't burn by itself, but uses a supported burner program or the output has to be burned manually. The supported burner has to be selected in the Backup window under Target Device.
well i burn other films using dvd shrink and they do ok but this film Pursuit Of Happyness hard to do. well its encods it but when it comes around to burn the film to dvd it comes up with burn error.
What burner program are you using with DVD Shrink and what exactly does the complete error warning say? res2cue asked a good question, what media are you using. Give us the brand info and manufacturer ID. You can get the ID using the free DVD Identifier. Just Google for a download or click on DVD Identifier for the AD download.
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17. September 2007 @ 00:23 |
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Originally posted by PacMan777:
Originally posted by mike1986:
Originally posted by PacMan777:
If DVD Shrink does the quick analysis when it opens the files, the cleaned movie files should be compliant. FixVTS can be used when there are compliance errors.
Do you have the burn settings set up correctly in Backup and what program are you using to burn with. Shrink doesn't burn by itself, but uses a supported burner program or the output has to be burned manually. The supported burner has to be selected in the Backup window under Target Device.
well i burn other films using dvd shrink and they do ok but this film Pursuit Of Happyness hard to do. well its encods it but when it comes around to burn the film to dvd it comes up with burn error.
What burner program are you using with DVD Shrink and what exactly does the complete error warning say? res2cue asked a good question, what media are you using. Give us the brand info and manufacturer ID. You can get the ID using the free DVD Identifier. Just Google for a download or click on DVD Identifier for the AD download.
nero 7 why?
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17. September 2007 @ 03:52 |
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ImgBurn, the only way I'll burn a Verb DL. Too precious an item.
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Originally posted by garmoon:
@res2cue
ImgBurn, the only way I'll burn a Verb DL. Too precious an item.
have you done the film Pursuit Of Happyness?
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17. September 2007 @ 04:40 |
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Originally posted by mike1986:
have you done the film Pursuit Of Happyness?
yeah, about 6 months ago using clone dvd and anydvd. (I think)
I suspect your problem is poor blank media but the more info you can give the better.
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17. September 2007 @ 06:50 |
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renting and copying is highly frowned upon. Try running the files through vob blanker to remove some bad files.. then try your burn again with the new folder you create.
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Originally posted by res2cue:
renting and copying is highly frowned upon. Try running the files through vob blanker to remove some bad files.. then try your burn again with the new folder you create.
could you send me a link to download vob? mike
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17. September 2007 @ 08:16 |
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DVD-Video files reallocation failed
Usually a sign of a file compliance error.
VobBlanker or FixVTS (click these links for download) will correct most video files to make them compliant for recording. FixVTS is probably the easiest for this simple task.
Nero sometimes gives an error warning and asks if you want to continue and do the burn. Did this happen? In most cases the output plays correctly. I've done a bunch of burns with the compliance error and they have always played.
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17. September 2007 @ 08:24 |
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Use google, it's an excellent tool. Here is the link- http://www.google.com
I would post the link for teh tools you need but I won't help someone one open admits that he is pirating DVD's from a rental company in the UK.
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